Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[Ruzious]

No, his D Leagues stats were mediocre... for the D League. Stop with the rationalizations. McCullough is a guy who has good physical abilities, but he hasn't shown anything at any level to make us believe he has a future in the NBA. Just having physical abilities doesn't cut it. It's fine to give him a shot, but recognize he's a major long-shot to be an effective NBA player.

[gambitx777]

I would not even think twice about giving evans 4 years for 20 mill!

He played 40 games last season and 25 the year before. Not sure I would pay much for a guy that has not shown an ability to stay healthy in his last two seasons. We already have one guy made of glass in Mahinmi.

Yeah but im talking about paying him 5 mill a year not 16 like we gave mahinmi, big difference there.

[Dat2U]

This team can add all the pieces they want, but we have to keep in mind that Brooks used Trey Burke, Brandon Jennings, Marcus Thornton and Jason Smith far too much. Even played Bojan over Kelly Oubre when it mattered most. He has a reputation from OKC of putting together god awful rotations, so that is something that needs to change next season also.

I can't watch another full year of Tim Frazier playing over Sato, Bojan coming back and playing over Oubre, and Jason Smith playing power forward over Chris McCullough even. They better not sign a Marcus Thornton to play over Mac either

Chase after star players and a blockbuster deal, and use the MLE on one good player at one position. Let the kids play.

For the majority of the season, out of a roster of 15, we had 7 legitimate players... Who put that roster together and who was Brooks supposed to play? Your whining about Brooks not playing an undrafted rookie, a 2nd year guy who couldn't get any minutes with the worst team in the NBA and a former 2nd round draft pick struggling to adjust to playing in America. You sound ridiculous.

You love to tout Satoransky's DRPM.... well among PGs, Satoransky had an ORPM of -2.10 which would rank 67 out of 87 PGs in the league. It confirms what the eye test clearly saw, the offense came to a complete stop when Sato was in the game. Sato's -2.10 ORPM was only marginally better than Burke's -2.15 ORPM and you admit Burke was unplayable.

[Dark Faze]

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i'd bring him back

[gambitx777]

This team can add all the pieces they want, but we have to keep in mind that Brooks used Trey Burke, Brandon Jennings, Marcus Thornton and Jason Smith far too much. Even played Bojan over Kelly Oubre when it mattered most. He has a reputation from OKC of putting together god awful rotations, so that is something that needs to change next season also.

I can't watch another full year of Tim Frazier playing over Sato, Bojan coming back and playing over Oubre, and Jason Smith playing power forward over Chris McCullough even. They better not sign a Marcus Thornton to play over Mac either

Chase after star players and a blockbuster deal, and use the MLE on one good player at one position. Let the kids play.

For the majority of the season, out of a roster of 15, we had 7 legitimate players... Who put that roster together and who was Brooks supposed to play? Your whining about Brooks not playing an undrafted rookie, a 2nd year guy who couldn't get any minutes with the worst team in the NBA and a former 2nd round draft pick struggling to adjust to playing in America. You sound ridiculous.

You love to tout Satoransky's DRPM.... well among PGs, Satoransky had an ORPM of -2.10 which would rank 67 out of 87 PGs in the league. It confirms what the eye test clearly saw, the offense came to a complete stop when Sato was in the game. Sato's -2.10 ORPM was only marginally better than Burke's -2.15 ORPM and you admit Burke was unplayable.

Its easy to say play the young guys over the bad players. but you don't want to kill these kids by tossing them to the wolfs when they aint ready. scott dipped them in the water and didn't let them drown, this year lets see if they can swim.

[nate33]

You love to tout Satoransky's DRPM.... well among PGs, Satoransky had an ORPM of -2.10 which would rank 67 out of 87 PGs in the league. It confirms what the eye test clearly saw, the offense came to a complete stop when Sato was in the game. Sato's -2.10 ORPM was only marginally better than Burke's -2.15 ORPM and you admit Burke was unplayable.

To be fair, you have to acknowledge that even though their ORPM's were similar, Sato's DRPM was MUCH better than Burke's. Sato's DRPM was -0.2, 7th best on the team. Burke's was -3.4, worst on the team.

Overall, Sato's net BPM ranked him 10th on the team behind the starters, Mahinmi, Smith, Bojan and Oubre; but ahead of everyone else. NatP4 isn't wrong when he asserts that we should have played Sato over Burke.

[Ruzious]

Sato is simply not an NBA caliber PG. He's a 2/3. There is no PG in the NBA slower than him - particularly since Greivis retired.

[payitforward]

a 2021 second, which is what it was for burke was an ok enough trade, we needed a back up pg and that was not a terrible trade, yes bruke played badly and didn't work out, but that's more on him playing badly and not the trade its self....

Huh?

He played badly, b/c he is a bad player. He had been a bad player his first 3 years in the league, & he was bad w/ us. He didn't underperform. So, yeah, it's on the trade & the GM who made the trade. Trey Burke is not someone you give an asset for. He is someone you stay away from.

[payitforward]

I'm not a fan of Melo at all, but he could get us buckets with the 2nd unit forsure and be a better stretch 4 than Morris shooting wise.

Really? Who had the higher 3 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher 2 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher FT% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher TS% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Do you even look at actual facts before buying into some absolute certainty you just made up? Come on, Nat -- I defend you all the time. You can do better than this.

[dckingsfan]

a 2021 second, which is what it was for burke was an ok enough trade, we needed a back up pg and that was not a terrible trade, yes bruke played badly and didn't work out, but that's more on him playing badly and not the trade its self....

Huh?

He played badly, b/c he is a bad player. He had been a bad player his first 3 years in the league, & he was bad w/ us. He didn't underperform. So, yeah, it's on the trade & the GM who made the trade. Trey Burke is not someone you give an asset for. He is someone you stay away from.

Wait, did I say that? Yikes!

[payitforward]

a 2021 second, which is what it was for burke was an ok enough trade, we needed a back up pg and that was not a terrible trade, yes bruke played badly and didn't work out, but that's more on him playing badly and not the trade its self....

Huh?

He played badly, b/c he is a bad player. He had been a bad player his first 3 years in the league, & he was bad w/ us. He didn't underperform. So, yeah, it's on the trade & the GM who made the trade. Trey Burke is not someone you give an asset for. He is someone you stay away from.

Wait, did I say that? Yikes!

No, & I don't know how it came out that way.

It was Gambit.

[NatP4]

This team can add all the pieces they want, but we have to keep in mind that Brooks used Trey Burke, Brandon Jennings, Marcus Thornton and Jason Smith far too much. Even played Bojan over Kelly Oubre when it mattered most. He has a reputation from OKC of putting together god awful rotations, so that is something that needs to change next season also.

I can't watch another full year of Tim Frazier playing over Sato, Bojan coming back and playing over Oubre, and Jason Smith playing power forward over Chris McCullough even. They better not sign a Marcus Thornton to play over Mac either

Chase after star players and a blockbuster deal, and use the MLE on one good player at one position. Let the kids play.

For the majority of the season, out of a roster of 15, we had 7 legitimate players... Who put that roster together and who was Brooks supposed to play? Your whining about Brooks not playing an undrafted rookie, a 2nd year guy who couldn't get any minutes with the worst team in the NBA and a former 2nd round draft pick struggling to adjust to playing in America. You sound ridiculous.

You love to tout Satoransky's DRPM.... well among PGs, Satoransky had an ORPM of -2.10 which would rank 67 out of 87 PGs in the league. It confirms what the eye test clearly saw, the offense came to a complete stop when Sato was in the game. Sato's -2.10 ORPM was only marginally better than Burke's -2.15 ORPM and you admit Burke was unplayable.

You're defending Brooks playing Trey Burke, Marcus Thornton, Brandon Jennings, Power Forward Jason smith, and Bojan over Oubre.

But I sound ridiculous lol

Why didn't you list off satos DRPM which ranked him 9th among shooting guards

[NatP4]

I'm not a fan of Melo at all, but he could get us buckets with the 2nd unit forsure and be a better stretch 4 than Morris shooting wise.

Really? Who had the higher 3 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher 2 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher FT% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher TS% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Do you even look at actual facts before buying into some absolute certainty you just made up? Come on, Nat -- I defend you all the time. You can do better than this.

Ok cool, now who played with John Wall? Who played with Derrick Rose?

[payitforward]

I'm not a fan of Melo at all, but he could get us buckets with the 2nd unit forsure and be a better stretch 4 than Morris shooting wise.

Really? Who had the higher 3 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher 2 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher FT% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher TS% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Do you even look at actual facts before buying into some absolute certainty you just made up? Come on, Nat -- I defend you all the time. You can do better than this.

Ok cool, now who played with John Wall? Who played with Derrick Rose?

Dude, what is the matter with you? Even now you didn't bother to look at numbers, did you?

Melo's 3 pt. % last year was UP not down from the previous year. No Rose effect. His 2pt. % was the same as the previous year. No Rose effect. Nor was my point that Kieff was such a good "stretch 4." Melo just isn't better -- which is what you claimed. It's false.

You're not willing enough to look into stuff, man. You're just trying to find something to say.

[NatP4]

Really? Who had the higher 3 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher 2 pt. % last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher FT% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Who had the higher TS% last year -- Kieff or Melo?

Do you even look at actual facts before buying into some absolute certainty you just made up? Come on, Nat -- I defend you all the time. You can do better than this.

Ok cool, now who played with John Wall? Who played with Derrick Rose?

Dude, what is the matter with you? Even now you didn't bother to look at numbers, did you?

Melo's 3 pt. % last year was UP not down from the previous year. No Rose effect. His 2pt. % was the same as the previous year. No Rose effect. Nor was my point that Kieff was such a good "stretch 4." Melo just isn't better -- which is what you claimed. It's false.

You're not willing enough to look into stuff, man. You're just trying to find something to say.

You don't think Melo would be an improvement in terms of floor spacing over Keef for us? Regardless of the %. I'm not trying to find something to say, Melo can be relied on as a 2nd unit scorer and a stretch 4 with the starting unit and help this team.

[NatP4]

Celtics seem to be out of the Paul George running. We need to get it done.

[80sballboy]

Celtics seem to be out of the Paul George running. We need to get it done.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/celtics-stop-short-pacers-expensive-demands-paul-george?utm_content=bufferc61aa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Celts offer two first round picks next season and a starter. They turned it down. If they don't accept that, then they aren't going to make a deal with anybody.

[gambitx777]

The PG situation is tricky, the Pacers are only asking that much from them because they have it, but the celtics don't and won't over pay. no one else can come close to what the celtics can give. Our best package doesnt even touch it. Our best deal, (not saying we should pay this much) but it would be tomas and kelly plus 2 firsts two indy and mahinmi going to a third team (which would burn probably a second and Aaron white. we can toss in smith, but honestly I don't see us parting with any of our starters here, I can't see them wanting gortat in the deal. although if they wanted gortat kelly and tomas I would probably make that deal but they are still going to want the 2 firsts, thats a lot of PG if he does not commit to staying t least 2 years. They won't take mahinmi them selfs. So, here we are trying to find a third team to dump mahinmi to, and hoping that buring kelley tomas and two pics is not too much... honestly you can't trade morris at this point, yes PG would be your starting 4 but lets say they want gortat and morris and our 2 pics and let us keep kelley and tomas. Then what ? you get a marginal upgrade at pf and loose your starting center with only mahinmi and smith on the team, you have to then go fin away to turn what little assets you have left into a bench quality PF and a starting center.
You have mahinmi smith, a 2018 second aaron while and tomas and kelly to make those moves with cuz you won't be able to find all that on the market and adress the SG depth issues we have. Its a pickle for sure. and for value wise if mahinmi and smith and a second would get you lamarcus aldridge. I know hes not PG but he is still a useful NBA player and the wall effect plus a better environment (which I honestly think we have a good locker room.) Would 100% increase his value. IDK its interesting for sure.

[gambitx777]

Celtics seem to be out of the Paul George running. We need to get it done.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/celtics-stop-short-pacers-expensive-demands-paul-george?utm_content=bufferc61aa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Celts offer two first round picks next season and a starter. They turned it down. If they don't accept that, then they aren't going to make a deal with anybody.

Thats not what the celtics offered, thats the the pacers demanded and the celtics said no, Honestly the pacers are asking for two much, look what Jimmy butler went for and hes under contract. they are only asking that much because the celtics have so many assets. they are not being realistic with their demands. Honestly if im EG im calling them tomorrow and making one last best and final offer. maybe give then 2 or 3 options. you take one by 5 pm or all deals are off the table at 501pm im calling SA and trying to steal Lamarcus aldridge away, Preparing an offer for tyreeke evans and getting ready to make my best pitch to Melo when he gets bought out. Im also going out and trying to move mahinmi and gortat,

Gortat and smith (what ever assets are appropriate, id say Aaron white ?) for lamarcus aldridge (seems like a fair trade since hes trying to force his way out)
then, mahinmi, 2019 first and 2018 second to philly for richaun holmes.
Make a pitch to Tyreke Evans , if we can afford to and see if you can talk otto into not signing an offer sheet till we get things straight.
Sign otto,
keep bogz if he coasts his QO if not let him walk.
fill out the roster with our summer league guys and call it a summer.
Wall/Sato/tim (jerred cunningham or kenne)
Beal/Evans/Mac/(jerred cunningham or kenne)
Otto/Kelley/Devin robinson (bogs if we get him for his QO)
Morris/chris/young (melo if he gets bought out and wants to play here some what close to his boy)
Aldrige/Holmes/ ochifu/ humpries (from kentuky)

I can live with that, we get a lot of future flexibility and thats a pretty good young bench we have built up there and our starting 5 would once again be one of the best in the league.
IF we talk melo into coming to our bench, BRUGH!

[mhd]

Per Zach Lowe, we are interested:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19758988/zach-lowe-chris-paul-james-harden-running-houston-rockets-nba

"Washington, with so much losing in the rearview, is pursuing Paul George, sources say"