Political Roundtable Part XV

[Wizardspride]

It's simple man afford entangled with clinton-obama arrow mess try to also and Tangle Trump in the same mess

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I don't think Obama/Clinton are entangling Trump in this mess. Trump is doing it on his own. And he seems unwilliing to investigate it because he's implicated in it himself.

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period. there are 5 different Congressional hearings/investigations going on to find Trump Russia collision. this as well as Muller as the independent counselor. There is nothing there. We are almost one year into these Congressional hearings. Everyone who was going to testify has already come forth and testified. months have passed since the last person testified.

All they have is Don Jr Kushner took a 25 minute meeting with someone who claimed that have dirt on Hillary. That's a nothing burger.

There is something there with manafort however. And that something are his ties to the podesta group going back to 2009. You do know who podsta is, right?!! The podesta group is part of the 2009 and 2010 uranium one deal negotiations. That's where the paper trail has taken us and that's where the money Trail has taken us. That's where the evidence went. And that's why the gag order was lifted this morning by Trump himself.

I'm guessing that the Obama Administration tried to tango Trump up in the same Mess by having Mana Fort work with the Trump campaign and try to get Flynn involved. Tangled Trump up in the same mess that Obama and Clinton are already entangled.

This ain't Trump's first rodeo. he didn't fall for it. I know you guys like to think that somehow this billionaire is stupid. But he clearly isn't.

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Wait a minute.

Are you saying Obama is the reason Trump hired Manafort and Flynn?

[Pointgod]

I don't think Obama/Clinton are entangling Trump in this mess. Trump is doing it on his own. And he seems unwilliing to investigate it because he's implicated in it himself.

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period. there are 5 different Congressional hearings/investigations going on to find Trump Russia collision. this as well as Muller as the independent counselor. There is nothing there. We are almost one year into these Congressional hearings. Everyone who was going to testify has already come forth and testified. months have passed since the last person testified.

All they have is Don Jr Kushner took a 25 minute meeting with someone who claimed that have dirt on Hillary. That's a nothing burger.

There is something there with manafort however. And that something are his ties to the podesta group going back to 2009. You do know who podsta is, right?!! The podesta group is part of the 2009 and 2010 uranium one deal negotiations. That's where the paper trail has taken us and that's where the money Trail has taken us. That's where the evidence went. And that's why the gag order was lifted this morning by Trump himself.

I'm guessing that the Obama Administration tried to tango Trump up in the same Mess by having Mana Fort work with the Trump campaign and try to get Flynn involved. Tangled Trump up in the same mess that Obama and Clinton are already entangled.

This ain't Trump's first rodeo. he didn't fall for it. I know you guys like to think that somehow this billionaire is stupid. But he clearly isn't.

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Wait a minute.

Are you saying Obama is the reason Trump hired Manafort and Flynn?

I'm sure Obama made the Trump campaign reach out to wikileaks to procure stolen emails Who would have thought an independent would be going so hard making excuses for Trump.

[gtn130]

SD20, take your meds, bro

Last couple pages of this thread have been brutal

[gtn130]

House Freedom Caucus Proves It's A Deficit Scam

The House Freedom Caucus -- that self-professed paragon of fiscal rectitude and righteousness that in the past has opposed emergency relief aid for Americans devastated by natural disasters unless it was offset with spending cuts -- today made it much easier for the multi-trillion dollar increase in the federal deficit and national debt that will be caused by the Trump tax cut to be enacted.

HFC could have completely stopped this from happening had it opposed the fiscal 2018 budget resolution when it was considered by the House this morning. That budget resolution will increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion or more and didn't include the spending cuts HFC said was the price for its support when the House adopted its budget earlier this month.

But instead of deficit purity, the House Freedom Caucus didn't oppose the budget resolution, as it has so many other deficit- and debt-increasing bills. It instead went along with legislation that will enable one of the biggest deficit and debt increases ever proposed to be considered under procedures that will make it much easier to enac

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2017/10/26/house-freedom-caucus-proves-its-a-deficit-scam/#3bb5d2ad48cd

Deficit hawks! Good stuff!

[Pointgod]

House Freedom Caucus Proves It's A Deficit Scam

The House Freedom Caucus -- that self-professed paragon of fiscal rectitude and righteousness that in the past has opposed emergency relief aid for Americans devastated by natural disasters unless it was offset with spending cuts -- today made it much easier for the multi-trillion dollar increase in the federal deficit and national debt that will be caused by the Trump tax cut to be enacted.

HFC could have completely stopped this from happening had it opposed the fiscal 2018 budget resolution when it was considered by the House this morning. That budget resolution will increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion or more and didn't include the spending cuts HFC said was the price for its support when the House adopted its budget earlier this month.

But instead of deficit purity, the House Freedom Caucus didn't oppose the budget resolution, as it has so many other deficit- and debt-increasing bills. It instead went along with legislation that will enable one of the biggest deficit and debt increases ever proposed to be considered under procedures that will make it much easier to enac

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2017/10/26/house-freedom-caucus-proves-its-a-deficit-scam/#3bb5d2ad48cd

Deficit hawks! Good stuff!

Omg Republicans being complete hypocrites? This is my shocked face

[dckingsfan]

House Freedom Caucus Proves It's A Deficit Scam

The House Freedom Caucus -- that self-professed paragon of fiscal rectitude and righteousness that in the past has opposed emergency relief aid for Americans devastated by natural disasters unless it was offset with spending cuts -- today made it much easier for the multi-trillion dollar increase in the federal deficit and national debt that will be caused by the Trump tax cut to be enacted.

HFC could have completely stopped this from happening had it opposed the fiscal 2018 budget resolution when it was considered by the House this morning. That budget resolution will increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion or more and didn't include the spending cuts HFC said was the price for its support when the House adopted its budget earlier this month.

But instead of deficit purity, the House Freedom Caucus didn't oppose the budget resolution, as it has so many other deficit- and debt-increasing bills. It instead went along with legislation that will enable one of the biggest deficit and debt increases ever proposed to be considered under procedures that will make it much easier to enac

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2017/10/26/house-freedom-caucus-proves-its-a-deficit-scam/#3bb5d2ad48cd

Deficit hawks! Good stuff!

Such violent agreement on this - the fiscal conservatives are dead as we know them. It is now a brutal race for the bottom to see who can spend more. It is going to get amazingly ugly.

[dckingsfan]

Actually - I think the Republican party as we knew it is dead...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-republican-party-critics.html

[stilldropin20]

Actually - I think the Republican party as we knew it is dead...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-republican-party-critics.html

Thank God. What's more is the 2 party system may have hopefully died as well. Bernie created a true progressive left movement and trump send to have successfully merged the tea party movement with a progressive and populist conservative spin.

The people are waking up. Slowly. But they are beginning to wake up.

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[stilldropin20]

House Freedom Caucus Proves It's A Deficit Scam

The House Freedom Caucus -- that self-professed paragon of fiscal rectitude and righteousness that in the past has opposed emergency relief aid for Americans devastated by natural disasters unless it was offset with spending cuts -- today made it much easier for the multi-trillion dollar increase in the federal deficit and national debt that will be caused by the Trump tax cut to be enacted.

HFC could have completely stopped this from happening had it opposed the fiscal 2018 budget resolution when it was considered by the House this morning. That budget resolution will increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion or more and didn't include the spending cuts HFC said was the price for its support when the House adopted its budget earlier this month.

But instead of deficit purity, the House Freedom Caucus didn't oppose the budget resolution, as it has so many other deficit- and debt-increasing bills. It instead went along with legislation that will enable one of the biggest deficit and debt increases ever proposed to be considered under procedures that will make it much easier to enac

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2017/10/26/house-freedom-caucus-proves-its-a-deficit-scam/#3bb5d2ad48cd

Deficit hawks! Good stuff!

Such violent agreement on this - the fiscal conservatives are dead as we know them. It is now a brutal race for the bottom to see who can spend more. It is going to get amazingly ugly.

Trumps initiatives are going to cost some money. Sit tight, Billy obama just spent 10 trill off the dill and he's still in the game. Trumps turn.

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[Wizardspride]

Fwiw....

Read on Twitter

[stilldropin20]

I don't think Obama/Clinton are entangling Trump in this mess. Trump is doing it on his own. And he seems unwilliing to investigate it because he's implicated in it himself.

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period. there are 5 different Congressional hearings/investigations going on to find Trump Russia collision. this as well as Muller as the independent counselor. There is nothing there. We are almost one year into these Congressional hearings. Everyone who was going to testify has already come forth and testified. months have passed since the last person testified.

All they have is Don Jr Kushner took a 25 minute meeting with someone who claimed that have dirt on Hillary. That's a nothing burger.

There is something there with manafort however. And that something are his ties to the podesta group going back to 2009. You do know who podsta is, right?!! The podesta group is part of the 2009 and 2010 uranium one deal negotiations. That's where the paper trail has taken us and that's where the money Trail has taken us. That's where the evidence went. And that's why the gag order was lifted this morning by Trump himself.

I'm guessing that the Obama Administration tried to tango Trump up in the same Mess by having Mana Fort work with the Trump campaign and try to get Flynn involved. Tangled Trump up in the same mess that Obama and Clinton are already entangled.

This ain't Trump's first rodeo. he didn't fall for it. I know you guys like to think that somehow this billionaire is stupid. But he clearly isn't.

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Wait a minute.

Are you saying Obama is the reason Trump hired Manafort and Flynn?

What? No. Lol. Don't be silly.

What I am saying is that Paul manafort is entangled in the 2009 uranium one negotiations. There are payments from the podesta group. IE John podesta and his brother to Paul manafort. From 2009 and 2010.

I have no idea how manafort and Trump ended up in bed together for three weeks in July 2016. But no one else from the entire Trump campaign or Trump himself have any previous dealings with Manafort. So I'm guessing manafort approached Trump with dirt on Hillary and that's how he leveraged himself into working for Trump. That's just a hunch Muller has all of Manaforts computers. Everything. Manafort has said what he has to say.

It didn't take more than a few weeks for Trump to kick manafort to the curb. The Obama admin, hrc, and podesta used manafort as a go between inn uranium one tho. That one's going to come back and bite them.

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[montestewart]

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period.

Manafort joined Trump's campaign in March 29, 2016. He was Trump's campaign manager from June 20th to August 19th. That looks like a total of twenty weeks. Not three weeks.

Like Trump, you simply cannot get even the most basic, easy-to-check facts right.

[stilldropin20]

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period.

Manafort joined Trump's campaign in March 29, 2016. He was Trump's campaign manager from June 20th to August 19th. That looks like a total of twenty weeks. Not three weeks.

Like Trump, you simply cannot get even the most basic, easy-to-check facts right.

here's the thing. you do realize how irrelevant this is? i dont care nor does anyone of substance care about whether manafort was campaign manager for 3 weeks or 4 weeks (as campaign manager). this is NOT worthy of fact checking. nor is it worthy of discussion. this is a waste of time. I concede your 4 weeks.

i dont concede your 20 weeks. I volunteered to do some stuff on Bernie's campaign. Does that mean I was "with" him? lol come on. but again, this is entirely irrelevant.

However, major, MAJOR, stuff is going to come out about manafort, podesta, HRC, Holder, Rosenstein, Comey. DOJ is involved because they were investigating the entire Uranium One deal in 2009. THEY WERE ON THIS!!! all in regard to Uranium One. They closed the investigation and signed off on the deal...in the name of politics. "russian reset." The Podesta group, via manafort and manafort's russian contacts were players in this deal 2009 Uranium One deal. There was a whistle blower/turned FBI informant that has a paper trail connecting all of the dots. Motions to not detroy evidence are being served to in courts today and yeserday. This is going to get very interesting. I'm guessing its so dirty that it will need to be swept under the rug and stay there.

That russian reset lasted about a year. or less. russia went from public enemy #1, to "friendly" enough to sell them 20% of our Uranium reserves. From 2005 Bill Clinton and HRC as senator(foreign relations cmte) as well as assist them purchase Rosatom Energy which owns mines in canada and kazahkstan when obama was elected, so much so that we sold them 20% of our uranium, then back to public enemy #1???!!!!! During that period of time The CEOAnd trump

Look, democrats have been trying to impeach trump over a made up russian collusion for the past year. yet 7 years ago the entire Obama administration led by HRC sold Putin 20% of our Uranium reserves. some of that uranium left the country.

I mean the irony is so heavy here, that i guess you cant see through it?

here is the short version

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452941/russian-clinton-uranium-scandal-media-silence-damning

a quick quote for those of you that only listen to CNN


“Since The Hill story broke on Tuesday morning ([and lasted] through the Thursday morning shows), the broadcast networks haven’t said a word about this matter, despite its coming up at Wednesday’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing (which was covered live on CNN and MSNBC as well as Fox News Channel),” MRC research director Rich Noyes told me. “Since Peter Schweizer’s Clinton Cash first revealed this scandal in early 2015, the broadcast networks have spent only 3 minutes, 1 second on the uranium story.”

[Wizardspride]

@sd20

You said you look at multiple sources for your info.

So with that being said, What source(s) do you recommend?

Basically, what's your go to source for info?

[montestewart]

Trump is not implicated at all. Not even in the slightest. Manafort was with him for three weeks. Period.

Manafort joined Trump's campaign in March 29, 2016. He was Trump's campaign manager from June 20th to August 19th. That looks like a total of twenty weeks. Not three weeks.

Like Trump, you simply cannot get even the most basic, easy-to-check facts right.

here's the thing. you do realize how irrelevant this is?

Your posts? Sure I do, but like you, I have to stay off the streets and out of trouble. This is our YMCA

PS: You know, I wouldn't put it past Trump to fire his campaign manager and install a volunteer from the phone banks as campaign manager. "Say, let's get that guy Manitoba or whatever his name is, the one who set up the meeting with that Russian agent for Donny and Jared. I like his shoes."

[I_Like_Dirt]

Such violent agreement on this - the fiscal conservatives are dead as we know them. It is now a brutal race for the bottom to see who can spend more. It is going to get amazingly ugly.

They've been dead for quite some time now and anyone who didn't notice has had their head in the sand. This doesn't absolve the Democrats of their own spending issues, but the Republican Party as we know it is basically a cut and run operation at this point where anyone and everyone is basically a cut and run operation attempting to grab whatever they can at the expense of everyone else before the whole thing goes under. To do it, they're attempting to leverage everything they possibly can, including social conservatism/elitism that an embarrassingly high amount of Americans either secretly or not so secretly harbor, trade deals (which aren't working out so well, but they're trying), health care to increasingly few, Russia, etc. Anyone who uses a "but" rather than simply accepting that reality is completely missing the forest for the trees at best, but it's likely something worse than that to whatever degree. This is going to end very, very badly if current devolutionary trends continue.

[gtn130]

Wait, is SD20 now pushing Uranium One nonsense?

I'm guessing he's all-in on #PizzaGate and Seth Rich as well lmao

[dckingsfan]

Such violent agreement on this - the fiscal conservatives are dead as we know them. It is now a brutal race for the bottom to see who can spend more. It is going to get amazingly ugly.

They've been dead for quite some time now and anyone who didn't notice has had their head in the sand. This doesn't absolve the Democrats of their own spending issues, but the Republican Party as we know it is basically a cut and run operation at this point where anyone and everyone is basically a cut and run operation attempting to grab whatever they can at the expense of everyone else before the whole thing goes under. To do it, they're attempting to leverage everything they possibly can, including social conservatism/elitism that an embarrassingly high amount of Americans either secretly or not so secretly harbor, trade deals (which aren't working out so well, but they're trying), health care to increasingly few, Russia, etc. Anyone who uses a "but" rather than simply accepting that reality is completely missing the forest for the trees at best, but it's likely something worse than that to whatever degree. This is going to end very, very badly if current devolutionary trends continue.

I agree with most of your post. But, I would argue that there were fiscal conservatives/sustainable government proponents on both sides of the aisle. And they did a reasonable job during the Bush and Obama administrations sans the ongoing wars and the unnecessary stimulus package.

But, your point that fiscal conservatives/sustainable government is dead - yep. And that it isn't going to end well - yep. And your underlying message that Trump is now driving the Rs agenda - yep.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Absolutely there were fiscal conservatives on both sides of the aisle, but they've had very little input and usually gave ground in that fight in order to prioritize other issues while those that were essentially using fiscal conservatism as a shield to grab as much cash as they possibly could for themselves who prioritized fiscal irresponsibility (in their favor) above all else. Fiscal conservatism really has been devoured from the inside by the mantra of trickle down economics while social liberals/progressives who also had fiscal conservative inclinations wound up being pushed out as the wealth divide being driven by trickle down economics increasingly became divided along social grounds. Basically, they were pitted one against the other and the cash grab happened, and while they existed, I stand by the statement that, as a movement, fiscal conservatism has been dead for a while. The complete lack of a united front has destroyed any chance of having such policies implemented for some time now. Rights really were a huge divisive force, because rights are expensive, and some fiscal conservatives decided to prioritize rights against violent crimes, the ability to run your own business, etc. and other gravitated towards other rights like education, health care, etc. (yes, they're both rights, regardless of which you think may be more important - they're all really, expensive, really important and wouldn't exist if society collectively decided they weren't important).

[stilldropin20]

Wait, is SD20 now pushing Uranium One nonsense?

I'm guessing he's all-in on #PizzaGate and Seth Rich as well lmao

You cant tell me for entire past year that russia is public enemy #1 and that they hacked the election for donald trump and also sell those same russians 20% of our uranium reserves 7 years ago and thats alright? cant have it both ways. and the damage the dems did with these russian lies is done so its now time for Trump to unleash his DOJ on any and ALL players in Uranium scandal. Dossier Scandal. HRC campaign

meanwhile BREAKING TODAY, THE Obama DOJ has to issue an apology for targeting tea party supporters by weaponizing the IRS against them. i mean Obama was running the White House very similar to JFK'S MURDER INC style. Smoking Gun found!!!email written in 2011: "these cases are held back primarily because of their political affiliation."

thats just another thing thats ok with all of you guys tho, I'm sure. its not on your news channel so it doesn't exist!!