Political Roundtable Part XXI

[UcanUwill]

European socialist does work, but it creates one serious problem that I am not sure being discussed all the time. I lived in European country for years, around lower class jobless people, and a lot of them don't want to work. they dont have serious aspirations, they get enough for free, and their main effort is to dodge work, its their lifestyle. Now, to get all social benefits, if you not working, you have to be registered to Labour Exchange (not sure how its called in English), and if you purposely dodging job offers, you can be kicked out and left with 0, but its way too easy to cheat the system, and people who work in Labour Exchange knows whats happening, they deal with these type of people every day.
so what do you pick, country with homeless people, or country with people with no motivation to work?

[Pointgod]

Are the rumored Trump "N-word" tapes the 2018 equivalent of the Michelle Obama "Whitey" tape?

Do you honestly believe Omarosa though? The woman is a cockroach that's trying to sell books.

Do I believe there's a possibility of an N-word tape existing? Yeah, its possible.

Heck, we know for a fact tapes exist.

Just don't know whats on them.

Now with that being said, do I believe Omarosa's account of having heard from three different sources these tapes exist?

As you say, she's a "cockroach" so.....

I think we all know that there's no doubt that Trump is racist. It's like saying the sun will come up tomorrow. I just doubt Omarosas intentions considering she gladly worked and sold out to Trump and now all of a sudden when's shes pushing a book these tapes exist.

[GhostofChenier]

SD, you disingenuous racebaiting f*ck, everything denigrating you just wrote about lebron can be attributed to Trump 10x over and yet you've lionized Trump while telling Lebron to shut up and dribble for no other reason than identity politics.

I'm not one for ad homs but that was beyond the pale.

And for those of you who have him on ignore, i'm holding out bc as infuriating as SD's posts are, it's important to be constantly reminded that guys like him exist and will vote.

Agan u cry razist withowt reason. Sad people

[GhostofChenier]

[Wizardspride]

Do you honestly believe Omarosa though? The woman is a cockroach that's trying to sell books.

Do I believe there's a possibility of an N-word tape existing? Yeah, its possible.

Heck, we know for a fact tapes exist.

Just don't know whats on them.

Now with that being said, do I believe Omarosa's account of having heard from three different sources these tapes exist?

As you say, she's a "cockroach" so.....

I think we all know that there's no doubt that Trump is racist. It's like saying the sun will come up tomorrow. I just doubt Omarosas intentions considering she gladly worked and sold out to Trump and now all of a sudden when's shes pushing a book these tapes exist.

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[pancakes3]

SD, you disingenuous racebaiting f*ck, everything denigrating you just wrote about lebron can be attributed to Trump 10x over and yet you've lionized Trump while telling Lebron to shut up and dribble for no other reason than identity politics.

I'm not one for ad homs but that was beyond the pale.

And for those of you who have him on ignore, i'm holding out bc as infuriating as SD's posts are, it's important to be constantly reminded that guys like him exist and will vote.

^^^^^^^

what the holy help is going on man? bad day? slow down. press reset and try again. I am happy to help you understand my position. there is no race baiting about it. Chicago (most inner cities) have real problems. We need real solutions. not sympathy. we need honesty...not burying the problems and allowing them to exacerbate. we need real opportunity. not fake lure of fake a fleeting "riches." race got nothing to do with it. Race wars are meant to divide us. dont fall for it. the real problem is poverty and lack of basic education and basic understanding of life. but black people are more negatively affected by poverty. We need guidance. We need discipline. We need self discipline. We need to get the drugs and gang bangers out of our neighborhoods...not to keep pretending they just need opportunity. they dont want opportunity. they want the entire community hooked on drugs so they can keep selling them drugs. its a real problem. race has nothing to do with it.

Ok. Please. Help me understand:

The worst kind of unbridled arrogance and superiority is that of celebrities that dont have a clue what they are talking about yet use their platform to influence the masses...people that foolishly listen to them just because they are celebs/wealthy.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

these same celebs throw wealthy life styles in the face of those same poor people and tell those poor people to buy their $200.00-$500 gym shoes and hand bags. Sorry. but if you are here to appologize for Lebron and MJ in terms of social (in) justice...i just dont know what to say. if you can afford those shoes? great! I'm old enough to remember the 80's when some kid on the southside would work all week to buy a pair and be like Mike only to get beat up in the alley and his shoes stolen from him. Those punches became bullets in the 90's and my people have been shooting each other up ever since.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

But he doesn't know the issues and even though he was a poor kid with a troubled upbringing like me...he also was a millionaire at 18 years old and new he would be a millionaire by the time he was 16. He was a celeb at 16. So he doesn't know(appreciate and understand) the actual hard work it takes to go from a poor kid to a millionaire. It's a very very slow grind. Often lonely because all your friends just want to party and spend what little money they have. Months at a time filled with 18 hour work days. and takes a couple decades minimally.

Good on lebron, but he doesn't live in the world that the rest of us live in. On any level. If Lebron walks into a room filled with people that are dirt poor where he is giving nothing away..say a restaurant or bar...and everyone smiles and says, "oh look lebron!" A regular every day millionaire walks into the same bar and everyone says, "let's roll that guy."

For that and many other things, lebron will never understand the plight of a man or woman struggling to find a job that pays him/her at least $40K. But me? half of my patients make $40K or less. many are living off of $24K or less.

how this criticism of Lebron does not apply to Donald.
also, how why does your experience with poverty invalidate Lebron's experience?

I dont deal with "life or death every single day" but i do deal with 15-35 year olds that are struggling between saving a front tooth and putting food on the table. For 2 decades ive dealt with it. I've found creative ways to get them grants or financing to pay their dental bills. But mostly ive reduced my fees significantly. I'm a real person. a conservative. Working on the southside of chicago. 2 decades long. giving back. helping my community. There's no award ceremony for me. Don lemmon is not coming to interview me. and the neighborhood is so dangerous i seldom even go to the local grocery store...but when i do...someone will approach me. running up to me a hug me...because 15 years ago i save that on my time and my dime instead of pulling it because that it all that public aid would "cover." lebron will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them. these issues run deep. And long. Children MUST STOP having children before they are ready. These children need guidance. They need discipline. they need to wear condoms or keep their dong in their pants and their legs shut until they are ready to have children. they need opportunity and education commensurate with their intelligence levels...not everyone is going to be a doctor...not everyone needs a college degree. Many/most people would do just fine so long as they were in a good grade school and high school then get an arduous 6-12 month training program in any specific area they have an aptitude and desire.

why is your dental efforts any less of societal good than lebron's school? why does lebron not understand these issues? how does starting a school not give guidance, discipline, and... education? seriously. how can you assert that Lebron "will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them (read: education)" when Lebron is literally providing education?

i'm not convinced that lebron and the left are able to make those tough statements. But I do know that the 15,000 chicago police, chicago fire, and chicago public teachers who are also my patients make these statements to me every day. Both moms and dads. nearly every single one of them is african-american.

And Everyone knows the answers. They tell me every single day about what we need to do. Everyone knows what needs to be said and done. But out in public??? No ONE will say it or do it. they instill the discipline in their own kids but dont want to deal with the troubled families that live down the street on the same block. They dont want the hassle. But when the troubled kid falls off his mike and fracture his jaw??? Their I am...dealing with it. for free. dad is gone. Mom is on drugs. Insurance doesn't cover any of it. And the chances of this kid becoming a gang banger and drug dealer are very high. Every now and then a kid like me gets out. Its rare. So i know how to talk to them and can mentor them better than most. Maybe i save 1 kid a year. Maaaaaaybe. Lebron aint saving none of them. i know that. So what do we do?

this is where your "SD from the block" schtick gets especially tiring. every single one of your concerns are liberal concerns. they've been identified. you freely acknowledge that poverty is a blackhole that begets societal ills upon societal ills. the troubled kid who can't access health care - universal health care. the dad is gone - prison reform. mom is on drugs - end the war on drugs. teen pregnancy - sex ed in schools. gang violence - gun control.

but you're the one that doesn't want the hassle. you're the one that doesn't want to be christian to your fellow man. you're just one big ball of ego who's completely in love with your own boostrapping story so you can look down on those in poverty and manufacture a sense of superiority. it's not enough that you did well for yourself. you did well for yourself DESPITE YOUR SURROUNDINGS. pop a huge AMERICAN DREAM boner. you're not the only person who grew up in poverty and became reasonably successful and you are not the Hood Czar in deciding whose opinions matter and whose don't.

it's also laughable that your dentistry is a more impactful endeavor than Lebron's school. messiah complex doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here.

the tl;dr of why you're a racist piece of work is that you have a bias for white people and a complex but palpable disdain for poor people.

[stilldropin20]

European socialist does work, but it creates one serious problem that I am not sure being discussed all the time. I lived in European country for years, around lower class jobless people, and a lot of them don't want to work. they dont have serious aspirations, they get enough for free, and their main effort is to dodge work, its their lifestyle. Now, to get all social benefits, if you not working, you have to be registered to Labour Exchange (not sure how its called in English), and if you purposely dodging job offers, you can be kicked out and left with 0, but its way too easy to cheat the system, and people who work in Labour Exchange knows whats happening, they deal with these type of people every day.
so what do you pick, country with homeless people, or country with people with no motivation to work?

and therein lies the rub. the exact same thing applies here to our entitlement class. They get duped into a stupor of "working hard to not work."

It takes time and effort to to stand in line for food stamps, unemployment, etc. You end up giving up freedoms of where you want to live and the life style you want to live. You end up not participating in society. the more you dont participate the less inclusive it feels. So much so that robbing from your neighbors, killing your neighbors, selling drugs to your neighbors kids becomes easier. Its a huge huge huge mistake. It was meant to be a good thing (i think). But it ended up extremely dangerous and deleterious to society in general. But worse than that it severely harms and endanger the entitlement class the most. The answers that seem so intuitive to most appear so difficult for them. It doesn't work.

we say things like "get a job" and they say things like who will watch my kids while i work? We say things like "take your kids to the child daycare center, the government will pay for it." They say things like it takes weeks-months to get that approved for child day care and I dont have a car to go there. We say things like take the bus. They say, it takes 3 buses and i have to stand in line for hours when i get there, how can i take my children on 3 buses? We say stop or dont have children. They say the more children i have, the more money i get.............And its created a situation where many people feel they need to have children to "get money" like its their only path to self sustainability but in reality those parents actually resent those children and dont actually want to be parents (yet) but feel it was thrust on them as a source of income. The parents are angry and not motivated to be good parents. The children kind of raise themselves and fend for themselves without good leadership. Gangs happily deal drugs to those parents and end up raising their children to be street dealers. Those children become more and more disillusioned and disenfranchised as generations pass. Rinse and repeat. and we end up with situations where some completely disillusioned teenager is shooting up Parkland high school, or a crazy old man shooting up Las vegas, or 71 people shot in Chicago last weekend and 12 people dying.

At some point we have to say enough is enough, right? At some point we have to stop the nonsense, dont we?

[dckingsfan]

SD, you disingenuous racebaiting f*ck, everything denigrating you just wrote about lebron can be attributed to Trump 10x over and yet you've lionized Trump while telling Lebron to shut up and dribble for no other reason than identity politics.

I'm not one for ad homs but that was beyond the pale.

And for those of you who have him on ignore, i'm holding out bc as infuriating as SD's posts are, it's important to be constantly reminded that guys like him exist and will vote.

^^^^^^^

what the holy help is going on man? bad day? slow down. press reset and try again. I am happy to help you understand my position. there is no race baiting about it. Chicago (most inner cities) have real problems. We need real solutions. not sympathy. we need honesty...not burying the problems and allowing them to exacerbate. we need real opportunity. not fake lure of fake a fleeting "riches." race got nothing to do with it. Race wars are meant to divide us. dont fall for it. the real problem is poverty and lack of basic education and basic understanding of life. but black people are more negatively affected by poverty. We need guidance. We need discipline. We need self discipline. We need to get the drugs and gang bangers out of our neighborhoods...not to keep pretending they just need opportunity. they dont want opportunity. they want the entire community hooked on drugs so they can keep selling them drugs. its a real problem. race has nothing to do with it.

Ok. Please. Help me understand:

The worst kind of unbridled arrogance and superiority is that of celebrities that dont have a clue what they are talking about yet use their platform to influence the masses...people that foolishly listen to them just because they are celebs/wealthy.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

these same celebs throw wealthy life styles in the face of those same poor people and tell those poor people to buy their $200.00-$500 gym shoes and hand bags. Sorry. but if you are here to appologize for Lebron and MJ in terms of social (in) justice...i just dont know what to say. if you can afford those shoes? great! I'm old enough to remember the 80's when some kid on the southside would work all week to buy a pair and be like Mike only to get beat up in the alley and his shoes stolen from him. Those punches became bullets in the 90's and my people have been shooting each other up ever since.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

But he doesn't know the issues and even though he was a poor kid with a troubled upbringing like me...he also was a millionaire at 18 years old and new he would be a millionaire by the time he was 16. He was a celeb at 16. So he doesn't know(appreciate and understand) the actual hard work it takes to go from a poor kid to a millionaire. It's a very very slow grind. Often lonely because all your friends just want to party and spend what little money they have. Months at a time filled with 18 hour work days. and takes a couple decades minimally.

Good on lebron, but he doesn't live in the world that the rest of us live in. On any level. If Lebron walks into a room filled with people that are dirt poor where he is giving nothing away..say a restaurant or bar...and everyone smiles and says, "oh look lebron!" A regular every day millionaire walks into the same bar and everyone says, "let's roll that guy."

For that and many other things, lebron will never understand the plight of a man or woman struggling to find a job that pays him/her at least $40K. But me? half of my patients make $40K or less. many are living off of $24K or less.

how this criticism of Lebron does not apply to Donald.
also, how why does your experience with poverty invalidate Lebron's experience?

I dont deal with "life or death every single day" but i do deal with 15-35 year olds that are struggling between saving a front tooth and putting food on the table. For 2 decades ive dealt with it. I've found creative ways to get them grants or financing to pay their dental bills. But mostly ive reduced my fees significantly. I'm a real person. a conservative. Working on the southside of chicago. 2 decades long. giving back. helping my community. There's no award ceremony for me. Don lemmon is not coming to interview me. and the neighborhood is so dangerous i seldom even go to the local grocery store...but when i do...someone will approach me. running up to me a hug me...because 15 years ago i save that on my time and my dime instead of pulling it because that it all that public aid would "cover." lebron will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them. these issues run deep. And long. Children MUST STOP having children before they are ready. These children need guidance. They need discipline. they need to wear condoms or keep their dong in their pants and their legs shut until they are ready to have children. they need opportunity and education commensurate with their intelligence levels...not everyone is going to be a doctor...not everyone needs a college degree. Many/most people would do just fine so long as they were in a good grade school and high school then get an arduous 6-12 month training program in any specific area they have an aptitude and desire.

why is your dental efforts any less of societal good than lebron's school? why does lebron not understand these issues? how does starting a school not give guidance, discipline, and... education? seriously. how can you assert that Lebron "will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them (read: education)" when Lebron is literally providing education?

i'm not convinced that lebron and the left are able to make those tough statements. But I do know that the 15,000 chicago police, chicago fire, and chicago public teachers who are also my patients make these statements to me every day. Both moms and dads. nearly every single one of them is african-american.

And Everyone knows the answers. They tell me every single day about what we need to do. Everyone knows what needs to be said and done. But out in public??? No ONE will say it or do it. they instill the discipline in their own kids but dont want to deal with the troubled families that live down the street on the same block. They dont want the hassle. But when the troubled kid falls off his mike and fracture his jaw??? Their I am...dealing with it. for free. dad is gone. Mom is on drugs. Insurance doesn't cover any of it. And the chances of this kid becoming a gang banger and drug dealer are very high. Every now and then a kid like me gets out. Its rare. So i know how to talk to them and can mentor them better than most. Maybe i save 1 kid a year. Maaaaaaybe. Lebron aint saving none of them. i know that. So what do we do?

this is where your "SD from the block" schtick gets especially tiring. every single one of your concerns are liberal concerns. they've been identified. you freely acknowledge that poverty is a blackhole that begets societal ills upon societal ills. the troubled kid who can't access health care - universal health care. the dad is gone - prison reform. mom is on drugs - end the war on drugs. teen pregnancy - sex ed in schools. gang violence - gun control.

but you're the one that doesn't want the hassle. you're the one that doesn't want to be christian to your fellow man. you're just one big ball of ego who's completely in love with your own boostrapping story so you can look down on those in poverty and manufacture a sense of superiority. it's not enough that you did well for yourself. you did well for yourself DESPITE YOUR SURROUNDINGS. pop a huge AMERICAN DREAM boner. you're not the only person who grew up in poverty and became reasonably successful and you are not the Hood Czar in deciding whose opinions matter and whose don't.

it's also laughable that your dentistry is a more impactful endeavor than Lebron's school. messiah complex doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here.

the tl;dr of why you're a racist piece of work is that you have a bias for white people and a complex but palpable disdain for poor people.

[montestewart]

what about going back to a time when the USA dominated the globe in manufacturing, banking, trade, education, quality of life and opportunity...BUT...this time around making sure everyone feels an equality of inclusion and enjoyment. women, minorities, LBGTQ, Everyone feels good about the USA dominating those things and raising the bar for ALL americans. . Back to a time when less murders were committed? Back to a time when people were nicer to each other on the street? doesn't sound like a bad idea to me?

Sure, I don't mind going back to those good old days. I'm white. Those were my days, and maybe I'd let you sweep my sidewalk for a nickel while you dream of all the opportunities my America is giving you. A simpler, happier time when Indian and White Man got along.

Not sure why anyone would need the above post as evidence, but almost any non-white American who offers "the good old days" as a solution to today's problems is either crazy, ignorant, or has some ulterior motive other than sincere discussion. The same goes for anyone who offers nothing by provocative and level-1 memes and gifs (one liners are fun and can contribute to discussion, but if that's all you got...)

I'm just catching up here and I'm a little surprised that the property dentist has once again pushed everyone's buttons. He makes it look easy, yet for some of us, it's like a magic trick where you can see every hidden move. The marvel is that it keeps working on so many people. Still has made for some interesting conversation.

The only conservatives on this board that I have any interest in serious discussion with are Nate and Popper, because to me, they will at least engage in give and take, concede points, and aren't discussing merely to provoke. I don't think I ever change their minds, and they never change mine, but at least I feel like I understand a POV a little better. I can't grasp STD's POV any more than I could grasp ultra liberal Hands' POV.

Anyway, carry on. I have to board up my windows because the pointy heads are coming to town.

[stilldropin20]

SD, you disingenuous racebaiting f*ck, everything denigrating you just wrote about lebron can be attributed to Trump 10x over and yet you've lionized Trump while telling Lebron to shut up and dribble for no other reason than identity politics.

I'm not one for ad homs but that was beyond the pale.

And for those of you who have him on ignore, i'm holding out bc as infuriating as SD's posts are, it's important to be constantly reminded that guys like him exist and will vote.

^^^^^^^

what the holy help is going on man? bad day? slow down. press reset and try again. I am happy to help you understand my position. there is no race baiting about it. Chicago (most inner cities) have real problems. We need real solutions. not sympathy. we need honesty...not burying the problems and allowing them to exacerbate. we need real opportunity. not fake lure of fake a fleeting "riches." race got nothing to do with it. Race wars are meant to divide us. dont fall for it. the real problem is poverty and lack of basic education and basic understanding of life. but black people are more negatively affected by poverty. We need guidance. We need discipline. We need self discipline. We need to get the drugs and gang bangers out of our neighborhoods...not to keep pretending they just need opportunity. they dont want opportunity. they want the entire community hooked on drugs so they can keep selling them drugs. its a real problem. race has nothing to do with it.

Ok. Please. Help me understand:

The worst kind of unbridled arrogance and superiority is that of celebrities that dont have a clue what they are talking about yet use their platform to influence the masses...people that foolishly listen to them just because they are celebs/wealthy.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

these same celebs throw wealthy life styles in the face of those same poor people and tell those poor people to buy their $200.00-$500 gym shoes and hand bags. Sorry. but if you are here to appologize for Lebron and MJ in terms of social (in) justice...i just dont know what to say. if you can afford those shoes? great! I'm old enough to remember the 80's when some kid on the southside would work all week to buy a pair and be like Mike only to get beat up in the alley and his shoes stolen from him. Those punches became bullets in the 90's and my people have been shooting each other up ever since.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

But he doesn't know the issues and even though he was a poor kid with a troubled upbringing like me...he also was a millionaire at 18 years old and new he would be a millionaire by the time he was 16. He was a celeb at 16. So he doesn't know(appreciate and understand) the actual hard work it takes to go from a poor kid to a millionaire. It's a very very slow grind. Often lonely because all your friends just want to party and spend what little money they have. Months at a time filled with 18 hour work days. and takes a couple decades minimally.

Good on lebron, but he doesn't live in the world that the rest of us live in. On any level. If Lebron walks into a room filled with people that are dirt poor where he is giving nothing away..say a restaurant or bar...and everyone smiles and says, "oh look lebron!" A regular every day millionaire walks into the same bar and everyone says, "let's roll that guy."

For that and many other things, lebron will never understand the plight of a man or woman struggling to find a job that pays him/her at least $40K. But me? half of my patients make $40K or less. many are living off of $24K or less.

how this criticism of Lebron does not apply to Donald.
also, how why does your experience with poverty invalidate Lebron's experience?

I dont deal with "life or death every single day" but i do deal with 15-35 year olds that are struggling between saving a front tooth and putting food on the table. For 2 decades ive dealt with it. I've found creative ways to get them grants or financing to pay their dental bills. But mostly ive reduced my fees significantly. I'm a real person. a conservative. Working on the southside of chicago. 2 decades long. giving back. helping my community. There's no award ceremony for me. Don lemmon is not coming to interview me. and the neighborhood is so dangerous i seldom even go to the local grocery store...but when i do...someone will approach me. running up to me a hug me...because 15 years ago i save that on my time and my dime instead of pulling it because that it all that public aid would "cover." lebron will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them. these issues run deep. And long. Children MUST STOP having children before they are ready. These children need guidance. They need discipline. they need to wear condoms or keep their dong in their pants and their legs shut until they are ready to have children. they need opportunity and education commensurate with their intelligence levels...not everyone is going to be a doctor...not everyone needs a college degree. Many/most people would do just fine so long as they were in a good grade school and high school then get an arduous 6-12 month training program in any specific area they have an aptitude and desire.

why is your dental efforts any less of societal good than lebron's school? why does lebron not understand these issues? how does starting a school not give guidance, discipline, and... education? seriously. how can you assert that Lebron "will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them (read: education)" when Lebron is literally providing education?

i'm not convinced that lebron and the left are able to make those tough statements. But I do know that the 15,000 chicago police, chicago fire, and chicago public teachers who are also my patients make these statements to me every day. Both moms and dads. nearly every single one of them is african-american.

And Everyone knows the answers. They tell me every single day about what we need to do. Everyone knows what needs to be said and done. But out in public??? No ONE will say it or do it. they instill the discipline in their own kids but dont want to deal with the troubled families that live down the street on the same block. They dont want the hassle. But when the troubled kid falls off his mike and fracture his jaw??? Their I am...dealing with it. for free. dad is gone. Mom is on drugs. Insurance doesn't cover any of it. And the chances of this kid becoming a gang banger and drug dealer are very high. Every now and then a kid like me gets out. Its rare. So i know how to talk to them and can mentor them better than most. Maybe i save 1 kid a year. Maaaaaaybe. Lebron aint saving none of them. i know that. So what do we do?

this is where your "SD from the block" schtick gets especially tiring. every single one of your concerns are liberal concerns. they've been identified. you freely acknowledge that poverty is a blackhole that begets societal ills upon societal ills. the troubled kid who can't access health care - universal health care. the dad is gone - prison reform. mom is on drugs - end the war on drugs. teen pregnancy - sex ed in schools. gang violence - gun control.

but you're the one that doesn't want the hassle. you're the one that doesn't want to be christian to your fellow man. you're just one big ball of ego who's completely in love with your own boostrapping story so you can look down on those in poverty and manufacture a sense of superiority. it's not enough that you did well for yourself. you did well for yourself DESPITE YOUR SURROUNDINGS. pop a huge AMERICAN DREAM boner. you're not the only person who grew up in poverty and became reasonably successful and you are not the Hood Czar in deciding whose opinions matter and whose don't.

it's also laughable that your dentistry is a more impactful endeavor than Lebron's school. messiah complex doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here.

the tl;dr of why you're a racist piece of work is that you have a bias for white people and a complex but palpable disdain for poor people.

i have no bias for white people at all. I just dont hate white people.Anyone that has read me for the last 2 years would clearly see that I hate wealthy elite hoarders of wealth. I have purposefully acquired as much wealth as possible so as to not be at their mercy. If I have "a bias" I favor the working class...especially the working poor. I am hesitant to include the extremely poor entitlement class because it is really hard to convince the entitlement class to go to work. They have been completely disenfranchised and self responsibilty is very difficult to preach to this class (obviously the children are not included as all children deserve a chance).

I wrote a very thoughtful post earlier this morning. it sums up my position perfectly on all of this: which is that I just dont believe in victims or victimization. I do understand that help is needed for the underserved and underprivileged. But all to often that "help" becomes a subsidy for important things like self esteem, self love, and self actualization.

I just dont think that victimhood works. Victimhood has been a political tool since the beginning of time. "here's your little crumbs, now shut the eff up!!" Its fools gold. It doesn't work. it has never worked. Ever. In no society. Anywhere. Socialism merely allows the wealthy to consolidate their power and therefore even more of the wealth. The wealthy are taking more and more and more of the wealth out of the hands of the many and hoarding it all in fewer and fewer of their own hands. Using the media, film, publishing, and now social media (that they own and/or finance) to manipulate our minds into a narrative that keeps us all occupied arguing over the crumbs while they keep growing their lions share of the goods.

we must teach each other to hunt. We must teach each other to fish. I'm a hunter! I'm a fisher! It works. And I'm ready to fight for everyone. Cant do this alone. and as long as we have victims. Victimhood will continue to work as a narrative to keep us all down and allow the wealthy to continue to hoard. The vote of the victim and the vote of the victor both count as one. I refuse to be a victim. I refuse to raise my children as victims. I refuse to buy into that mentality. You nor anyone will ever convince that it is a healthier life style. especially now that Ive done the work (put in the 18 hour days for decades) to fully insulate myself from it. No way buddy. No way. people like me have very strong shoulders. we can carry many with us. But we just cant carry everyone. we need people to get up and walk for themselves.

[dckingsfan]

One point to the above - the social programs are working. Our definition and bar for poor is rising - yes, there is a long way to go but...

Census figures (below the poverty line):
4/5 poor households have air conditioning (you don't need air conditioning in some parts of the country)
2/3 have cable or satellite television
1/2 have a personal computer
2/5 have a wide-screen HDTV
3/4 own a car or truck
1/3 have two or more vehicles
96% state that their children were never hungry at any time during the year
The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children
Square footage of living space and living spaces continue to improve

This is a huge improvement from where we started. But CLEARLY, this is one of the programs that has worked. Did it work how we expected, no. We expected that education would be equal and individuals would rise do to that education.

But that has nothing to do with the our social programs and everything to do with the politics of education.

[montestewart]

SD, you disingenuous racebaiting f*ck, everything denigrating you just wrote about lebron can be attributed to Trump 10x over and yet you've lionized Trump while telling Lebron to shut up and dribble for no other reason than identity politics.

I'm not one for ad homs but that was beyond the pale.

And for those of you who have him on ignore, i'm holding out bc as infuriating as SD's posts are, it's important to be constantly reminded that guys like him exist and will vote.

I'm not sure there are a whole lot of people like STD, but regardless, even if you don't put someone on ignore, you can always read without responding. Like visiting an alt-right site without leaving a comment (love your alt-swastika logo!) for purely informational purposes. You've seen them on TV (Supernatural, Law & Order, etc.), sitting at their computers, in their underwear, reading your angry posts, ROFLOL, eating pizza, telling their mothers never to come down to the basement. Is that the kind of debate you want to engage in? Don't drive yourself crazy, because this probably isn't actually a forum that is going to swerve anyone's opinions.

[dckingsfan]

The only conservatives on this board that I have any interest in serious discussion with are Nate and Popper, because to me, they will at least engage in give and take, concede points, and aren't discussing merely to provoke.

Anyway, carry on. I have to board up my windows because the pointy heads are coming to town.

Hey! What about us fiscal conservatives...

Ah, never mind - missed the pointy head comment

[pancakes3]

^^^^^^^

what the holy help is going on man? bad day? slow down. press reset and try again. I am happy to help you understand my position. there is no race baiting about it. Chicago (most inner cities) have real problems. We need real solutions. not sympathy. we need honesty...not burying the problems and allowing them to exacerbate. we need real opportunity. not fake lure of fake a fleeting "riches." race got nothing to do with it. Race wars are meant to divide us. dont fall for it. the real problem is poverty and lack of basic education and basic understanding of life. but black people are more negatively affected by poverty. We need guidance. We need discipline. We need self discipline. We need to get the drugs and gang bangers out of our neighborhoods...not to keep pretending they just need opportunity. they dont want opportunity. they want the entire community hooked on drugs so they can keep selling them drugs. its a real problem. race has nothing to do with it.

Ok. Please. Help me understand:

The worst kind of unbridled arrogance and superiority is that of celebrities that dont have a clue what they are talking about yet use their platform to influence the masses...people that foolishly listen to them just because they are celebs/wealthy.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

these same celebs throw wealthy life styles in the face of those same poor people and tell those poor people to buy their $200.00-$500 gym shoes and hand bags. Sorry. but if you are here to appologize for Lebron and MJ in terms of social (in) justice...i just dont know what to say. if you can afford those shoes? great! I'm old enough to remember the 80's when some kid on the southside would work all week to buy a pair and be like Mike only to get beat up in the alley and his shoes stolen from him. Those punches became bullets in the 90's and my people have been shooting each other up ever since.

how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.

But he doesn't know the issues and even though he was a poor kid with a troubled upbringing like me...he also was a millionaire at 18 years old and new he would be a millionaire by the time he was 16. He was a celeb at 16. So he doesn't know(appreciate and understand) the actual hard work it takes to go from a poor kid to a millionaire. It's a very very slow grind. Often lonely because all your friends just want to party and spend what little money they have. Months at a time filled with 18 hour work days. and takes a couple decades minimally.

Good on lebron, but he doesn't live in the world that the rest of us live in. On any level. If Lebron walks into a room filled with people that are dirt poor where he is giving nothing away..say a restaurant or bar...and everyone smiles and says, "oh look lebron!" A regular every day millionaire walks into the same bar and everyone says, "let's roll that guy."

For that and many other things, lebron will never understand the plight of a man or woman struggling to find a job that pays him/her at least $40K. But me? half of my patients make $40K or less. many are living off of $24K or less.

how this criticism of Lebron does not apply to Donald.
also, how why does your experience with poverty invalidate Lebron's experience?

I dont deal with "life or death every single day" but i do deal with 15-35 year olds that are struggling between saving a front tooth and putting food on the table. For 2 decades ive dealt with it. I've found creative ways to get them grants or financing to pay their dental bills. But mostly ive reduced my fees significantly. I'm a real person. a conservative. Working on the southside of chicago. 2 decades long. giving back. helping my community. There's no award ceremony for me. Don lemmon is not coming to interview me. and the neighborhood is so dangerous i seldom even go to the local grocery store...but when i do...someone will approach me. running up to me a hug me...because 15 years ago i save that on my time and my dime instead of pulling it because that it all that public aid would "cover." lebron will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them. these issues run deep. And long. Children MUST STOP having children before they are ready. These children need guidance. They need discipline. they need to wear condoms or keep their dong in their pants and their legs shut until they are ready to have children. they need opportunity and education commensurate with their intelligence levels...not everyone is going to be a doctor...not everyone needs a college degree. Many/most people would do just fine so long as they were in a good grade school and high school then get an arduous 6-12 month training program in any specific area they have an aptitude and desire.

why is your dental efforts any less of societal good than lebron's school? why does lebron not understand these issues? how does starting a school not give guidance, discipline, and... education? seriously. how can you assert that Lebron "will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them (read: education)" when Lebron is literally providing education?

i'm not convinced that lebron and the left are able to make those tough statements. But I do know that the 15,000 chicago police, chicago fire, and chicago public teachers who are also my patients make these statements to me every day. Both moms and dads. nearly every single one of them is african-american.

And Everyone knows the answers. They tell me every single day about what we need to do. Everyone knows what needs to be said and done. But out in public??? No ONE will say it or do it. they instill the discipline in their own kids but dont want to deal with the troubled families that live down the street on the same block. They dont want the hassle. But when the troubled kid falls off his mike and fracture his jaw??? Their I am...dealing with it. for free. dad is gone. Mom is on drugs. Insurance doesn't cover any of it. And the chances of this kid becoming a gang banger and drug dealer are very high. Every now and then a kid like me gets out. Its rare. So i know how to talk to them and can mentor them better than most. Maybe i save 1 kid a year. Maaaaaaybe. Lebron aint saving none of them. i know that. So what do we do?

this is where your "SD from the block" schtick gets especially tiring. every single one of your concerns are liberal concerns. they've been identified. you freely acknowledge that poverty is a blackhole that begets societal ills upon societal ills. the troubled kid who can't access health care - universal health care. the dad is gone - prison reform. mom is on drugs - end the war on drugs. teen pregnancy - sex ed in schools. gang violence - gun control.

but you're the one that doesn't want the hassle. you're the one that doesn't want to be christian to your fellow man. you're just one big ball of ego who's completely in love with your own boostrapping story so you can look down on those in poverty and manufacture a sense of superiority. it's not enough that you did well for yourself. you did well for yourself DESPITE YOUR SURROUNDINGS. pop a huge AMERICAN DREAM boner. you're not the only person who grew up in poverty and became reasonably successful and you are not the Hood Czar in deciding whose opinions matter and whose don't.

it's also laughable that your dentistry is a more impactful endeavor than Lebron's school. messiah complex doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here.

the tl;dr of why you're a racist piece of work is that you have a bias for white people and a complex but palpable disdain for poor people.

i have no bias for white people at all. I just dont hate white people.Anyone that has read me for the last 2 years would clearly see that I hate wealthy elite hoarders of wealth. I have purposefully acquired as much wealth as possible so as to not be at their mercy. If I have "a bias" I favor the working class...especially the working poor. I am hesitant to include the extremely poor entitlement class because it is really hard to convince the entitlement class to go to work. They have been completely disenfranchised and self responsibilty is very difficult to preach to this class (obviously the children are not included as all children deserve a chance).

I wrote a very thoughtful post earlier this morning. it sums up my position perfectly on all of this: which is that I just dont believe in victims or victimization. I do understand that help is needed for the underserved and underprivileged. But all to often that "help" becomes a subsidy for important things like self esteem, self love, and self actualization.

I just dont think that victimhood works. Victimhood has been a political tool since the beginning of time. "here's your little crumbs, now shut the eff up!!" Its fools gold. It doesn't work. it has never worked. Ever. In no society. Anywhere. Socialism merely allows the wealthy to consolidate their power and therefore even more of the wealth. The wealthy are taking more and more and more of the wealth out of the hands of the many and hoarding it all in fewer and fewer of their own hands. Using the media, film, publishing, and now social media (that they own and/or finance) to manipulate our minds into a narrative that keeps us all occupied arguing over the crumbs while they keep growing their lions share of the goods.

we must teach each other to hunt. We must teach each other to fish. I'm a hunter! I'm a fisher! It works. And I'm ready to fight for everyone. Cant do this alone. and as long as we have victims. Victimhood will continue to work as a narrative to keep us all down and allow the wealthy to continue to hoard. The vote of the victim and the vote of the victor both count as one. I refuse to be a victim. I refuse to raise my children as victims. I refuse to buy into that mentality. You nor anyone will ever convince that it is a healthier life style. especially now that Ive done the work (put in the 18 hour days for decades) to fully insulate myself from it. No way buddy. No way. people like me have very strong shoulders. we can carry many with us. But we just cant carry everyone. we need people to get up and walk for themselves.

So you're just going to gloss over everything I wrote so you can spout off more empty platitudes about bootstrapping with pieces of self-praise for your own work ethic sprinkled in?

I don't know how much more clear I can make it. You don't get to write this:

you might not like the "style" or you may not understand it fully or at all? But you cant deny that Donald trump is one of the most successful people to ever walk on the entire planet called earth and that has mobilzed more people to his cause and therefore one of the most successful politicians to ever walk this earth and he uses this style and it works for him however much you disagree with it or understand it.

followed up by

The worst kind of unbridled arrogance and superiority is that of celebrities that dont have a clue what they are talking about yet use their platform to influence the masses...people that foolishly listen to them just because they are celebs/wealthy.

without getting called out.

And wtf are you going on about victimhood and teaching a man to fish? Lebron built a m-f'ing school.

Why can't you take the L?

[pancakes3]

SD, you disingenuous racebaiting f*ck, everything denigrating you just wrote about lebron can be attributed to Trump 10x over and yet you've lionized Trump while telling Lebron to shut up and dribble for no other reason than identity politics.

I'm not one for ad homs but that was beyond the pale.

And for those of you who have him on ignore, i'm holding out bc as infuriating as SD's posts are, it's important to be constantly reminded that guys like him exist and will vote.

I'm not sure there are a whole lot of people like STD, but regardless, even if you don't put someone on ignore, you can always read without responding. Like visiting an alt-right site without leaving a comment (love your alt-swastika logo!) for purely informational purposes. You've seen them on TV (Supernatural, Law & Order, etc.), sitting at their computers, in their underwear, reading your angry posts, ROFLOL, eating pizza, telling their mothers never to come down to the basement. Is that the kind of debate you want to engage in? Don't drive yourself crazy, because this probably isn't actually a forum that is going to swerve anyone's opinions.

the good doctor SD is not in his mom's basement. he's worth over 8 million dollars! he's very successful. and he seems to have all the answers to society's problems.

idk why i engage. maybe on some level, i'm trying to reach Popper through dialogue with SD.

[stilldropin20]

Ok. Please. Help me understand:



how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.



how this criticism of Lebron (read: black athletes) does not apply to Donald.



how this criticism of Lebron does not apply to Donald.
also, how why does your experience with poverty invalidate Lebron's experience?



why is your dental efforts any less of societal good than lebron's school? why does lebron not understand these issues? how does starting a school not give guidance, discipline, and... education? seriously. how can you assert that Lebron "will never understand those issues let alone how to solve them (read: education)" when Lebron is literally providing education?



this is where your "SD from the block" schtick gets especially tiring. every single one of your concerns are liberal concerns. they've been identified. you freely acknowledge that poverty is a blackhole that begets societal ills upon societal ills. the troubled kid who can't access health care - universal health care. the dad is gone - prison reform. mom is on drugs - end the war on drugs. teen pregnancy - sex ed in schools. gang violence - gun control.

but you're the one that doesn't want the hassle. you're the one that doesn't want to be christian to your fellow man. you're just one big ball of ego who's completely in love with your own boostrapping story so you can look down on those in poverty and manufacture a sense of superiority. it's not enough that you did well for yourself. you did well for yourself DESPITE YOUR SURROUNDINGS. pop a huge AMERICAN DREAM boner. you're not the only person who grew up in poverty and became reasonably successful and you are not the Hood Czar in deciding whose opinions matter and whose don't.

it's also laughable that your dentistry is a more impactful endeavor than Lebron's school. messiah complex doesn't even begin to describe what's going on here.

the tl;dr of why you're a racist piece of work is that you have a bias for white people and a complex but palpable disdain for poor people.

i have no bias for white people at all. I just dont hate white people.Anyone that has read me for the last 2 years would clearly see that I hate wealthy elite hoarders of wealth. I have purposefully acquired as much wealth as possible so as to not be at their mercy. If I have "a bias" I favor the working class...especially the working poor. I am hesitant to include the extremely poor entitlement class because it is really hard to convince the entitlement class to go to work. They have been completely disenfranchised and self responsibilty is very difficult to preach to this class (obviously the children are not included as all children deserve a chance).

I wrote a very thoughtful post earlier this morning. it sums up my position perfectly on all of this: which is that I just dont believe in victims or victimization. I do understand that help is needed for the underserved and underprivileged. But all to often that "help" becomes a subsidy for important things like self esteem, self love, and self actualization.

I just dont think that victimhood works. Victimhood has been a political tool since the beginning of time. "here's your little crumbs, now shut the eff up!!" Its fools gold. It doesn't work. it has never worked. Ever. In no society. Anywhere. Socialism merely allows the wealthy to consolidate their power and therefore even more of the wealth. The wealthy are taking more and more and more of the wealth out of the hands of the many and hoarding it all in fewer and fewer of their own hands. Using the media, film, publishing, and now social media (that they own and/or finance) to manipulate our minds into a narrative that keeps us all occupied arguing over the crumbs while they keep growing their lions share of the goods.

we must teach each other to hunt. We must teach each other to fish. I'm a hunter! I'm a fisher! It works. And I'm ready to fight for everyone. Cant do this alone. and as long as we have victims. Victimhood will continue to work as a narrative to keep us all down and allow the wealthy to continue to hoard. The vote of the victim and the vote of the victor both count as one. I refuse to be a victim. I refuse to raise my children as victims. I refuse to buy into that mentality. You nor anyone will ever convince that it is a healthier life style. especially now that Ive done the work (put in the 18 hour days for decades) to fully insulate myself from it. No way buddy. No way. people like me have very strong shoulders. we can carry many with us. But we just cant carry everyone. we need people to get up and walk for themselves.

So you're just going to gloss over everything I wrote so you can spout off more empty platitudes about bootstrapping with pieces of self-praise for your own work ethic sprinkled in?

I don't know how much more clear I can make it. You don't get to write this:

you might not like the "style" or you may not understand it fully or at all? But you cant deny that Donald trump is one of the most successful people to ever walk on the entire planet called earth and that has mobilzed more people to his cause and therefore one of the most successful politicians to ever walk this earth and he uses this style and it works for him however much you disagree with it or understand it.

followed up by

The worst kind of unbridled arrogance and superiority is that of celebrities that dont have a clue what they are talking about yet use their platform to influence the masses...people that foolishly listen to them just because they are celebs/wealthy.

without getting called out.

And wtf are you going on about victimhood and teaching a man to fish? Lebron built a m-f'ing school.

Why can't you take the L?

let us both...pause...take a step back from our positions...from all the vitriol...and deal with just one single concept...the question all of you either have asked or should be asking me....how can i logically reconcile those 2 paragraphs above?

^^^^right? thats the question, right? that's why you think i'm a disgrace to myself and all the other names you call me right? That's the geneisis of every single debate on here, right? The left hates trump. It all starts there, right?

So again...i voted for Obama twice. Because i thought he would change chicago. never happened. yeah. I'm angry over that. But i'm especially angry over the fact that he had the banks and therefore the elite ruling class by the balls and he let them off of them hook. The elite ruling class tricked Obama (and Bush) into thinking that if they let the banking system crumble we would hav ebeen worse off...when in fact that was exactly what we needed. We should have let them squirm right then and there...and allowed the working class folks to keep their homes. Instead we bailed out the effing elite ruling class. WOW!!! My eyes were opened for good and forever in 2008 and 2009. That was when i began to understand just how effed it all of this is. How could a democrat...an african american...bail out the banks instead of the american people??? made no sense...unless of course that was the plan all along. In the late 90's have not owned 20% of american wealth. In 2012 that % became 8%. That transfer occured as americans lost their homes while the banks that gave them those loans were bailed out. injected with cash and those mortgages went under. and were allowed foreclose on those homes. 10,000,000 homes. gone!... from the working class AMERICANS to the bankers...poof!! just like that. And you guys want to cry over over a couple thousand illegal aliens??? What about the 20,000,000 american children that lost their homes!!!!!! but i digress...back on point.

I voted for bernie over HRC. because i knew she and her husband were false prophets strictly in politics for their own personal greed (which is something that is nearly impossible to overcome in any "poor" politician as the lures of wealth and power are just about impossible to resist<--we need politician that are good hearted, good natured and want to help the masses BUT HAVE THEIR OWN MONEY so as to fight off the elites who will attack them in the media relentlessly and know how the real world works. We cant have starry eyed dreamers in the white house that look like a deer in headlights every single day...no matter how polished. No more how confident they appear. no matter how convinced they are in their policy...if they dont know the real world then they will just be rolled by the elite ruling class who also have a stranglehold on congress.

Following me so far?


So i now support trump AS AN AGENT OF CHANGE. I'VE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER FOR 2 YEARS.

I also understand that "changing america" is NOT going to occur over any single presidential term. nor any decade. nor likely even any half century. this is going to take time. Trump is just creating the conditions for future stpes to follow...and Trump might not even know it. And most people in his MAGA movement might not even know it. But some crucial steps are occurring right now...and Bernie and his socialism movement is all a part of it...americans are slowly uncovering certain truths about the unfair distribution of wealth.

When (IF?) that special politician comes along as redistributes the wealth...it will likely need to be via a death tax. Just like you guys cant wait for the racists to all die off? I am waiting for a real death tax and for all of the hoarder to die off. I refuse to get caught up in race wars because the only war i see is a war on the poor. And that war doesn't care what color your skin is nor where you are from.

What you guys dont see is that we are fighting the same damn war. And neither White, brown, nor Black people will never win that war...because we dont have anything to take from each other. They have 92% of the worlds wealth. They!! The elites!! the ruling class!!!

Wake da funk up, folks!!!!! We are all in this together.

the war is not against each other. I have played along in this "taking sides" for almoast 2 years...to demonstrate just how futile it is. You are not convincing me, nor am i convincing you. And my arguments are better than yours no matter how much you want to drown me out.

the system is not the problem.

the constitution is not the problem.

capitalism is not the problem.

The problem is....wait for it....human nature. greed. Our politicians are either self serving. or easily manipulated. Or easily bought off. or have given up on the poor and working poor (the entire 99% of us) because maybe they realize we are too stupid to help ourselves and see where all the gold is. I made some good money...absolutely. And I am still dirt effing poor compared to the elite ruling class.<--most of which are investment bankers and central bankers. they invest the money and we do the work...we produce...we consume...and we pay the interest on their loans. they sit back and reap. Typical american company makes 20% profit margins on gross revenue. Typical business loan pays at least 20% real interest rates over the first 7 years of the loan. Who is making the money? and doing nothing but lending out money? and guess what...your effin money!!! they get to loan you back your own damn money but fractional reserve lending laws allows them to lend out ten times the amount they hold in reserve.

Which.....would be fine if we fully taxed "them" and their corporation when they die. We dont do that though. We let them pass the wealth down virtually tax free. I have no problem with a man or woman making whatever they can make in a life time...its the passing down the wealth that hurts society. Its being born on 3rd base...or just being born and you hit a grand slam. thats the problem. We must institute a death tax as close to 100% as possible.

but that shxt will take decades...to reverse...if not longer. but does everyone get it???? do you???? I dont have th emoney you want. I dont...i have some...maybe more than you...but the wealth you wish to redistribute is hold be very very very very wealthy families that have the majority of it tied up in private corporations and private trusts and you just dont know how much they have not where it is at. You dont know. Ive been digging and digging and digging. its impossible to find. you can only estimate it. And that is the REAL money that you wish to redistribute. They hold 80% of the 92% of the wealth. Thats what you want!!! That's where you fight is. They are the enemy!!! not me.

and do you think they are going to lay down and let you have it????? Do you???????????? You have no idea. I've gotten a taste of their greed. I deal with some of these families.

So now do you "get it???


Do you????...do you understand my position now?????????? Do you pancakes!!!????????? its called a hedge. I'm hoping the american people wake up and stop bickering over the crumbs with each other. But in case they dont...i will continue to grow my wealth and teach my children to grow the wealth until a smarter generation emerges.

when that generation wakes up? let me know. I'm ready to die on that hill.

What is step 1.?????????????????

[stilldropin20]

Step 1 is to stop fighting over the crumbs, right?

AKA stop fighting with each other period. How do we do that with limited resources? how do we do that when 80% of the country already feels "ripped off?" 80% of the country is already mad at each other...how do we subdue the masses so as to stop fighting with each other over limited resources while the wealthy continue to hoard???

keep in mind that the wealthy elite ruling class must see this as beneficial to them as well..or they will put a stop to it immediately. once we stop fighting with each other? that would mean that enough of us are "happy" right? or at least "informed" correct?

[stilldropin20]

IMO that begins with a robust economy. an economy where everyone has a job. where everyone goes to work for 8 hours per day and earns a livable wage.

And that is why i support Trump. I have no idea what trumps real intentions are nor does it matter. Trump wants americans to work. to have jobs. to pay their own bills. to pay for their own health care. to get off of drugs. etc etc.

That is as GOOD of a Place to start as anywhere. Thats is as good of a ground zero that we can muster. Jobs for everyone. entitlements to a minimum. everyone who wants to eat must go to work...once we get everyone working lets increase wages.

You increase wages by limiting the supply of labor and Keeping jobs in the USA. again, both of which are in the trump platform.

We cant keep letting democrats buy cheap votes from poor people who dont work. Why? When we can easily motivate everyone to work. you want to eat? you gotta work. hungry people will work. and part of making people hungry is taking away the free food. now if people just dont want to assimilate or have mental or physical health disorders? So be it. there will always be a % of the population in any society that just cant work. But if you can work> you should work!! and its the job of government to keep the foreign supply of new labor low so as to give every american the opportunity at a job first and foremost...and if that labor supply is low enough...wages will rise to compete for that scarcity of labor.

and so far...this appears to be all part of the trump -platform.

The only thing that is NOT a part of the trump platform is a death tax. He clearly wants to keep his family "ahead." but as i said...this wont occur immediately...i cant even get your guys to agree on a death tax...which is why i keep bringing up my personal wealth...because I likely have more than all of you combined...and I'm willing to give it all up when I die...so long as everyone else does too. And none of you will agree to it.

here it is right now...a chance to take a stand on a death tax and none of you will agree to it...so i have to ask...how committed to fairness and equality are you???? Because without a harsh death tax fairness will NEVER exist. Take iot from me...a guy that went from dirt poor to comfortable....it was hard!!! very hard!!! Virtually No one is willing to do it the hard way...virtually everyone wants "lightening in a bottle" wealth or they just will join the masses in complaining about the "wealthy" guy down the street. when all the wealth is in places they have no idea how to even track or see.

[dckingsfan]

One other thing to note - we still have an immigration problem. We need to increase the number of working age people to balance out our demographic problem. This current administration is going to leave a big problem for the following administrations (add the deficit to that and you really don't want to be the POTUS that follows Trump.

The blue line in the figure below is the 25 - 54 year old group. The redline is the overall population. As the delta between the two lines increase, you end up with a worker shortage for things like healthcare, public services, etc.

[dckingsfan]

And the last administration did a stimulus that ended up not being very helpful. So, what does this administration do? Yet another not very helpful stimulus.