Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[GutUNC]

Yeah but if you understand the reality of the situation. Ben Simmons is more or less a trade exception at this point. You can argue his value and blah blah blah, but he has not player value to the 76ers if he's never coming back, which he isn't. Anyone trying to say he might is silly. You don't burn 19 mill in your back yard and wake up one day and go yeah I'll go back lol. What they have PG wise is what they have. Beal is a pretty good upgrade for them. He can do a lot of things for them. Maxy/curry/shake are good enough at PG that is they add enough fire power next to embid they can go win a tittle. They have an MVP caliber player right now with a border line all-star on the team in Harris, like the trade I posted where they get Beal and grant who stops that team in the east? I'm just saying the bucks last year said **** the BS, let make any trade at all to win a tittle and they did. DM needs to stop worrying about 3-4 years from now and **** the BS and go after a ring right now!

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1) You have the right to think that Simmons value is that of a trade exception, but that's not the opinion of someone who's going to negotiate a successful trade for him.

2) My response was to the person who said the price would be Simmons/Maxey/1st so the question is whether Shake/Curry is good enough, which is a resounding "no".

Simmons only value is the value he has to the team trading for him. He has no value to the sixers cuz I don't think he's coming back.

And he does have value he can if he desires to be, a useful and very good player.

I don't think the 76ers hspuld trade Maxy at all. He's young on the rise and is under team control more or less for a good long while. You don't move that. He's a piece, not an asset at this point.

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Right, but if you're a GM who thinks Simmons' value is "a trade exception", you're not picking up and calling Morey about him.

And claiming he has no value to the Sixers is either being obtuse or not understanding how market valuation works. Yes, they're currently getting no on-court value for him, but that doesn't mean that trading him for a 10th man represents a positive change for the Sixers, considering the opportunity cost lost. The delta between "anything" and what Simmons value if he hadn't put himself in this predicament is the obvious gaping delta to solve.

[Howard Cosell]

76ers Out: Simmons + 2nd RP
76ers In: Beal

Wizards Out: Beal + Gill
Wizards In: Beasley, Beverly, Reid, McDaniel + 2 FRP’s Twolves (2022 & 2024) + 76ers 2nd RP

Twolves Out: Beasley, Beverly, Reid + McDaniel +2 FRP’s
Twolves In: Simmons + Gill


What say you?

[Eli Babak]

76ers Out: Simmons + 2nd RP
76ers In: Beal

Wizards Out: Beal + Gill
Wizards In: Beasley, Beverly, Reid, McDaniel + 2 FRP’s Twolves (2022 & 2024) + 76ers 2nd RP

Twolves Out: Beasley, Beverly, Reid + McDaniel +2 FRP’s
Twolves In: Simmons + Gill


What say you?

Wiz would just cut Twolves and take Simmons themselves. Beasley/Beverley are worthless to Wiz, Reid is nothing special and Wiz already have tons of forwards so no need for McDaniels. 2022 1st is probably 12-20 and that 2024 1st mid/late.

[80sballboy]

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[NatP4]

Trade Beal for Simmons+2022 1st

Trade Harrell, KCP, and Kuzma for whatever assets you can get.

Draft the most underrated PG in the draft, Dyson Daniels with the Philly pick. Snatch Christian Braun(who is the Keldon Johnson of this draft) with the late 1st/early 2nd with the pick you get from Kuzma/KCP/Harrell. Take Kendall Brown(who is going to be a stud in the NBA) with our pick.

Daniels Ayayi
Kispert Braun
Avdija Brown
Simmons Hachimura
Gafford Bryant

Both Daniels and Ayayi are PGs that can play off the ball. Let Simmons and Avdija be the primary initiators. Keep Bryant as a stretch 5 for the fit next to Simmons. Re-sign him on a discount.

Dinwiddie is probably still there, which is fine now that Beal and Harrell will be gone. He’s still a fine leader on a young team. Trade him next deadline when his numbers go back up after a full year removed from the ACL injury.

[Howard Cosell]

76ers Out: Simmons + 2nd RP
76ers In: Beal

Wizards Out: Beal + Gill
Wizards In: Beasley, Beverly, Reid, McDaniel + 2 FRP’s Twolves (2022 & 2024) + 76ers 2nd RP

Twolves Out: Beasley, Beverly, Reid + McDaniel +2 FRP’s
Twolves In: Simmons + Gill


What say you?

Wiz would just cut Twolves and take Simmons themselves. Beasley/Beverley are worthless to Wiz, Reid is nothing special and Wiz already have tons of forwards so no need for McDaniels. 2022 1st is probably 12-20 and that 2024 1st mid/late.

Thanks for the reply.

On my own Twolves board they are saying this is an overpay by Minnesota (that’s how it usually goes) because Reid and McDaniel are young players who are playing extremely well and can’t easily be replaced.

What direction are Wizards going if they part with Beal? Young talent with future assets or getting back NBA all star level player like Jaylen Brown?

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[Eli Babak]

What direction are Wizards going if they part with Beal? Young talent with future assets or getting back NBA all star level player like Jaylen Brown?

Well, nobody knows. Owner Leonsis just wants to make the playoffs in order to get some extra $$$ so maybe they'd aim for some kind of quick rebuild (which would be stupid but #sowizards). Most people here want to focus on the youngsters Wiz have + what they'd get for Beal and tank for a top 1-5 pick.

[80sballboy]

Leonsis isn't going for a complete rebuild, so if we trade Beal and others, he going to want good players in return, not draft picks.

[deneem4]

Can we jus trade for Schroeder? Or play Cassius

[nate33]

Trade Beal for Simmons+2022 1st

Trade Harrell, KCP, and Kuzma for whatever assets you can get.

Draft the most underrated PG in the draft, Dyson Daniels with the Philly pick. Snatch Christian Braun(who is the Keldon Johnson of this draft) with the late 1st/early 2nd with the pick you get from Kuzma/KCP/Harrell. Take Kendall Brown(who is going to be a stud in the NBA) with our pick.

Daniels Ayayi
Kispert Braun
Avdija Brown
Simmons Hachimura
Gafford Bryant

Both Daniels and Ayayi are PGs that can play off the ball. Let Simmons and Avdija be the primary initiators. Keep Bryant as a stretch 5 for the fit next to Simmons. Re-sign him on a discount.

Dinwiddie is probably still there, which is fine now that Beal and Harrell will be gone. He’s still a fine leader on a young team. Trade him next deadline when his numbers go back up after a full year removed from the ACL injury.

I'd be totally fine with this - the trades that is. I have no opinion on the draft picks at this point.

My only minor difference is Kuzma. I'd trade him for a real nice return, but not merely a minor asset like the #28 pick from Chicago or something. With Beal and Harrell gone, somebody is going to have to put the ball in the basket. Kuzma can do this. If nothing else, I expect his trade value to continue to improve the longer he remains a 20 point scorer on league average or better efficiency. It's very much possible that he becomes our version of Jerami Grant - a guy we acquire cheaply and then (hopefully) flip him for significant value.

[nate33]

Can we jus trade for Schroeder? Or play Cassius

Everyone who acquires Schroeder just wants to get rid of him.

[80sballboy]

https://clutchpoints.com/wizards-news-the-2-wizards-players-most-likely-to-be-traded-ahead-of-deadline-amid-bradley-beal-drama/

Bertans and Trez were mentioned by executives.

[nate33]

https://clutchpoints.com/wizards-news-the-2-wizards-players-most-likely-to-be-traded-ahead-of-deadline-amid-bradley-beal-drama/

Bertans and Trez were mentioned by executives.

I just don't see how Bertans can be moved, unless he is the filler in a Grant or Sabonis deal in which we give away all of our picks/prospects.

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Trade deadline prediction time -

I'm preparing myself for an all-Gonzaga front court - Kispert/Rui/Sabonis. Trade will be Harrell, Deni, and a first. Harrell maybe flipped somewhere else for more picks going to Indy.

We will bring in Ayayi towards the end of the year after Holiday and/or Neto is gone at the deadline.

Adam Morrison gets brought in on a ten-day.

We miss the playoffs. Beal leaves after the year.

John Stockton shows up to Wiz games to catch the all-Zag lineup but gets booted for COVID-stuff.

Wiz change their name to Bulldogs.

Dan Snyder buys the team, moves it to Baltimore, changes the name to Redskins.

[TGW]

76ers Out: Simmons + 2nd RP
76ers In: Beal

Wizards Out: Beal + Gill
Wizards In: Beasley, Beverly, Reid, McDaniel + 2 FRP’s Twolves (2022 & 2024) + 76ers 2nd RP

Twolves Out: Beasley, Beverly, Reid + McDaniel +2 FRP’s
Twolves In: Simmons + Gill


What say you?

Trash.

[closg00]

The entire league knows that once-again the Wizards are floundering and desperate, the question becomes will moves be made in an attempt to placate Beal, or move-forward without him.

[TGW]

I think a simple trade would be to take on Tobias Harris for some sort of compensation. Something like Dinwiddie, Bertans, KCP for Harris and their FRP. Get rid of some dead weight for a still productive player and a pick.

[FAH1223]

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Kevin came up with Kuzma and Deni for LaVert. LOL

Ariza, THT for Kuzma was brought up.

Kevin brought up Kispert/Rui/Deni for Terrence Ross

Matt and Oz stumble into Rui & Bryant for Hernangomez and Satoransky

[The Consiglieri]

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This is pretty much why I checked out a few years ago when it became clear they wouldn’t trade Beal and tank for the loaded‘21 class and the Zion/Morant class. It’s pointless to be a fan of this team. Ownership doesn’t understand lessons most fans snd orgs learned decades ago. You’re contending, or tanking. One or the other. There is no middle in this league unless you’re a destination city/franchise and DC isn’t that. Only the Nats seem to have competent ownership.