NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 4

FAH1223 · Post #1621 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:32 am

Kawhi adding playmaking to his arsenal.... wow

He ruined the Warriors final game at Oracle in the Finals and now ruined their debut of their new arena in SF tonight

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Post #1622 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:34 pm

GS looked pretty bad in their first game. The backcourt of Curry and Russell did not click, and Draymond was playing with a bad elbow, and it showed. Widebody Pascall looked good in his first game - playing more than his former Villanova teammate, widebody Spellman. Both can hit the 3.

Bucks had terrific comeback win over Houston despite getting 21 fewer FT's. Giannis fouled out in 28 minutes but still had a 30 point triple double.

Mojo Amok · Post #1623 » by **Mojo Amok** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:47 pm

The first half of that Atlanta-Detroit game last night was thrilling. The NBA is in a healthy spot if random middle of the road teams are able to entertain like that on a Thursday night.

Kudos to Derrick Rose as well - methinks he'll be able to legally change his name to "The Derrick Rose Story" soon and nobody will bat an eye.

For Atlanta, Young is exceptional and they're on the rise with lots of prospects, but I don't think they have another top-end guy on the roster to pair with him. They look like a prime candidate for a consolidation trade as it's too many guys to pay on those second contracts as things stand now. They're a nice watch, though.

closg00 · Post #1624 » by **closg00** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:02 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Satoransky has a big problem on his hands and its name is Coby White. That kid is a baller , they’ll need to give him minutes right away and Kris Dunn is outplaying Tomas as well. He had it good here because when Wall went down no one was challenging him for minutes.

I've been following that and appreciating the irony, White will probably be starting by the end of the year...at-least there will be a movement amongst the fans.

Post #1625 » by **nate33** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:28 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Kawhi adding playmaking to his arsenal.... wow

He ruined the Warriors final game at Oracle in the Finals and now ruined their debut of their new arena in SF tonight

Watch on YouTube

Man, his passing and playmaking have really improved these past two seasons. The guy is now a totally complete player. He's the best player in the league and I don't think it's very close. God damn he is strong!

closg00 · Post #1626 » by **closg00** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm

Whoa, the new-look Suns gave the Clippers their first loss, driven by Booker/Oubre
https://www.nba.com/games/20191026/LACPHX#/recap

Post #1627 » by **nate33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:07 pm

Wow, OKC just roasted the Warriors. The Warriors are now 0-2, losing by 21 and 28 in their two games. It also suggests that OKC isn't awful, rendering our win against them more meaningful.

Post #1628 » by **nate33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:14 pm

Dwight Howard with 16 points, 10 boards and 4 blocks on 8/8 shooting in 23 minutes against the Hornets.

pcbothwel · Post #1629 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:26 pm

nate33 wrote:Dwight Howard with 16 points, 10 boards and 4 blocks on 8/8 shooting in 23 minutes against the Hornets.

I told you'll he would of been a positive asset at the deadline. I understand wanting to move the franchise forward, but this never made sense to me.

FAH1223 · Post #1630 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:21 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
nate33 wrote:Dwight Howard with 16 points, 10 boards and 4 blocks on 8/8 shooting in 23 minutes against the Hornets.

I told you'll he would of been a positive asset at the deadline. I understand wanting to move the franchise forward, but this never made sense to me.

In a sense, I agree. In another, Wagner and Bryant are babies in the NBA grand scheme of things so I'm fine with them getting a lot of PT.

I'm not surprised by Dwight's performance. He was good in Charlotte in 2017-18. He'd have been fine with us last year if he was healthy.

Post #1631 » by **nate33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:58 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:
nate33 wrote:Dwight Howard with 16 points, 10 boards and 4 blocks on 8/8 shooting in 23 minutes against the Hornets.

I told you'll he would of been a positive asset at the deadline. I understand wanting to move the franchise forward, but this never made sense to me.

In a sense, I agree. In another, Wagner and Bryant are babies in the NBA grand scheme of things so I'm fine with them getting a lot of PT.

I'm not surprised by Dwight's performance. He was good in Charlotte in 2017-18. He'd have been fine with us last year if he was healthy.

I'm not surprised by Dwight's performance. He did the same thing for us for 9 games. I'll be surprised if Dwight plays more than 30 games though.

Kanyewest · Post #1632 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:18 pm

nate33 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:
I told you'll he would of been a positive asset at the deadline. I understand wanting to move the franchise forward, but this never made sense to me.

In a sense, I agree. In another, Wagner and Bryant are babies in the NBA grand scheme of things so I'm fine with them getting a lot of PT.

I'm not surprised by Dwight's performance. He was good in Charlotte in 2017-18. He'd have been fine with us last year if he was healthy.

I'm not surprised by Dwight's performance. He did the same thing for us for 9 games. I'll be surprised if Dwight plays more than 30 games though.

I won't. Over the last 3 seasons he's played 71, 74, and 81 games prior to joining DC. That being said I won't be surprised if he doesn't play more than 30 game either.

Post #1633 » by **nate33** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:48 pm

Christian Wood with 19 points and 12 boards on a TS% of 95% in 21 minutes in a 2-point win over Indy.

Post #1634 » by **nate33** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:21 pm

Through 6 games, Luka Doncic is averaging 26.7 points, 10.3 rebounds and 9.5 assists with a TS% of .605, an ORtg of 117 and a WS/48 of .241. He is 20 years old.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1635 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:30 pm

So does this mean Luka might be better than Sato?

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closg00 · Post #1636 » by **closg00** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:18 pm

nate33 wrote:Through 6 games, Luka Doncic is averaging 26.7 points, 10.3 rebounds and 9.5 assists with a TS% of .605, an ORtg of 117 and a WS/48 of .241. He is 20 years old.

ATL supposedly does not regret the trade, Young + Reddish better be better than Luka in a few years.
What are your thoughts on the trade today folks?

payitforward · Post #1637 » by **payitforward** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:26 pm

They got the #10 (i.e. Reddish) in that move? Would have been hard to turn down the trade. Doncic is looking unbelievably great this season. Then again, so is Trae Young!

But Reddish... good god....

closg00 · Post #1638 » by **closg00** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:55 pm

payitforward wrote:They got the #10 (i.e. Reddish) in that move? Would have been hard to turn down the trade. Doncic is looking unbelievably great this season. Then again, so is Trae Young!

But Reddish... good god....

I believe this is correct, ATL used the extra Dallas pick this summer on Reddish. Don't have time to look it up so please correct me if I'm wrong

I_Like_Dirt · Post #1639 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 7:07 pm

payitforward wrote:They got the #10 (i.e. Reddish) in that move? Would have been hard to turn down the trade. Doncic is looking unbelievably great this season. Then again, so is Trae Young!

But Reddish... good god....

Yeah, Reddish was the Dallas pick and it really does look like a disaster. He was awful in college and he's awful in the NBA. Taken right after him? The Suns caught flak for reaching on Cam Johnson but at least he looks like he might be an NBA player. PJ Washington and Tyler Herro both look amazing. Reddish strikes me as having an upside not so far off Andre Roberson, but that sure seems like a low upside to me. You could say "what if his shots start to fall" about pretty much any player. Reddish isn't unique in that respect. I don't see any reason his shots are suddenly going to start going in that isn't equally applicable to anyone else.

I think Young and Luka looks close enough that I can't see any regrets. Young seems like a rich man's Steve Nash. The idea that anyone would have predicted either of these guys would be as good as they are immediately is simply not true or representative of people who were way out of touch. The Hawks have basically foregone "winning" that trade, though, because they absolutely wasted that pick.

Post #1640 » by **nate33** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 7:08 pm

closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Through 6 games, Luka Doncic is averaging 26.7 points, 10.3 rebounds and 9.5 assists with a TS% of .605, an ORtg of 117 and a WS/48 of .241. He is 20 years old.

ATL supposedly does not regret the trade, Young + Reddish better be better than Luka in a few years.
What are your thoughts on the trade today folks?

The last 40 years of NBA history shows that teams built around diminutive PG's don't win championships. Curry and Isiah are the lone exceptions and Curry only won once without Durant, to a Cavs team missing their 2nd and 3rd best players. Little guards cause defensive problems that inevitably get exploited in a 7-game series. (Isiah wan't the clear best player on his team either.)

Meanwhile, Doncic is the prototype playmaking wing that has been the focal point of nearly every champion in the modern era, whether it's Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Durant, or Kawhi. If you don't have one of those guys, you better have a transcendent top 10 All-Time center like Hakeem or Duncan or you're not winning. Playmaking wings allow you to play bigger defenders at the PG position, eliminating the weakest point in the defense.

I'd take Doncic over Trae ten times out of ten.