Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

FAH1223 · Post #1641 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 pm

FAH1223 · Post #1642 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:47 pm

I_Like_Dirt · Post #1643 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:41 pm

nate33 wrote:I keep hearing talk about how Houston might go after Lebron or Paul George, in addition to keeping Chris Paul. Can someone explain to me how this is possible? Even if they trade future picks to dump Ryan Anderson (they don't have their 2018 pick so it would have to be the 2019 pick plus probably the 2021 pick to dump $44M in salary), they'd have a payroll of $57M with just Harden, Gordon, Tucker, Nene and Onuaku. Factor a small discount for Chris Paul (let's generously assume $25M instead of the $35M he's eligible for) and we're already at $82M. Would they really renounce Capela when has only a $7M cap hold? If not, they're at $89M. Add 5 vet minimum contracts and it's $96M. How are they going to add Paul George or Lebron when they have just $6M in cap room (maybe as much as $14M if they unwisely renounce Capela)?

I don't think they would target either of those players as free agent signings. I doubt it happens, but I was pretty surprised when they got Chris Paul, too. I would expect the Rockets would be looking for a scenario very much like Chris Paul last season where the player opts in and is traded. To that end, I expect they're going to throw a truckload of money at Chris Paul. Any discount is going to be minor to nonexistent. The idea would be to show that they can be trusted in such situations.

Who's going to bite on the likes of Gordon, Anderson, Tucker and/or Nene? A good question, but I've learned that the NBA always seems to have a few GMs interested in vets over everything else and faced with a situation where they lose a star for nothing at all or where they can flip that star and get multiple 1st round picks, those teams might gun for picks if they don't want veterans. And while normally teams could just trade those players to other teams, in this case, the players have a bit more power given it's a player option. So if the player is willing to sign with a different team outright should their home team call their bluff, then they can very well dictate where they would be traded to and let their home town teams decide whether or not they want to cost themselves whatever they can get in a trade in order to spite the player in the process.

Again, I don't think it will happen, but it absolutely could.

dckingsfan · Post #1644 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:08 pm

T76ers have exercised the $1.6 million team option on center Richaun Holmes - guess that was a duh.

payitforward · Post #1645 » by **payitforward** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:55 pm

Ditto on T.J. McConnell.

Post #1646 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Lebron going to Philly would be his best move. If he stays in Cleveland, they might have some decent cap space in Summer of 2019 but Philly w/Lebron would come out of the East. Generational talent in Simmons and Embiid, and they have cheap depth. It makes too much sense.

payitforward · Post #1647 » by **payitforward** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:22 pm

These signings bring Philly up to $70.5m in salary next year for 11 players.

Redick, Amir Johnson, Belinelli & Ilyasova have expired. I'll be interested to see whether they bring Redick back. Or maybe decide that Belinelli (much cheaper!) would be a close enough equivalent.

Amir Johnson & Richaun Holmes put up very similar numbers last year. I can easily see them giving Johnson's minutes to Holmes.

W/o Redick & Johnson, they save $34m. Belinelli might cost them $4m? Something like that?

Add the #10 & #26 picks, & they're at @$80m for 14 players, & they should be a much improved team just from internal development. Makes you wonder whether they'd be interested to have Lebron there? That would make for quite a dogfight in the East -- between Philly & Boston, of course.

payitforward · Post #1648 » by **payitforward** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:25 pm

Rafael... beat me to it. It does make all the sense in the world.

Of course, he might sign with Boston for a year -- I don't see how anyone could stop them from taking the East w/ him.

Then, the following year, he might sign with Philly & take the East with them!

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1649 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:40 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:I keep hearing talk about how Houston might go after Lebron or Paul George, in addition to keeping Chris Paul. Can someone explain to me how this is possible? Even if they trade future picks to dump Ryan Anderson (they don't have their 2018 pick so it would have to be the 2019 pick plus probably the 2021 pick to dump $44M in salary), they'd have a payroll of $57M with just Harden, Gordon, Tucker, Nene and Onuaku. Factor a small discount for Chris Paul (let's generously assume $25M instead of the $35M he's eligible for) and we're already at $82M. Would they really renounce Capela when has only a $7M cap hold? If not, they're at $89M. Add 5 vet minimum contracts and it's $96M. How are they going to add Paul George or Lebron when they have just $6M in cap room (maybe as much as $14M if they unwisely renounce Capela)?

I do not know. Maybe stretch Anderson and trade Gordon for a player on his rookie contract. Realistically, I can't see it, but it'll be interesting to see if Morey can. Maybe they can use some trick with a sign and trade. Can't imagine they'd let Capela go.

It's not possible. LeBron is staying in the East.

Either Cavs or 76ers.

LeBron is going to end up playing for the Lakers.

pcbothwel · Post #1650 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:52 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I do not know. Maybe stretch Anderson and trade Gordon for a player on his rookie contract. Realistically, I can't see it, but it'll be interesting to see if Morey can. Maybe they can use some trick with a sign and trade. Can't imagine they'd let Capela go.

It's not possible. LeBron is staying in the East.

Either Cavs or 76ers.
LeBron is going to end up playing for the Lakers.

Agreed. Exactly why FA should be before the draft. 76ers are a great match for us, but they wont make moves to add salary before Lebron & PG13 make their choice... which will be LAL

verbal8 · Post #1651 » by **verbal8** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:27 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
It's not possible. LeBron is staying in the East.

Either Cavs or 76ers.
LeBron is going to end up playing for the Lakers.

Agreed. Exactly why FA should be before the draft. 76ers are a great match for us, but they wont make moves to add salary before Lebron & PG13 make their choice... which will be LAL

Even with the James and PG13, wouldn't the Lakers be projected to be the 3rd seed(at best) in the West? It is a dramatic improvement for the Lakers the gap with the Warriors and even Rockets seems to big.

I think a trade of Lebron is a very real possibility. It would most likely involve James opting into his player option. He can be dealt and then extended or could even play the beginning of the season in Cleveland and see who is looking strongest.

I think Boston or Philly probably make the most sense for Lebron. Both teams have a young core that has done well. They also are in the East, so the road to the finals is a lot clearer, and the regular season less grueling. Houston might be a dark horse if they can make some creative moves.

Dat2U · Post #1652 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:45 pm

Welp, the other shoe just dropped in the LeBron to LA story. Kawhi wants out and wants a trade to the Lakers!

LeBron + Kawhi + ???

Will SA help LA and take on Deng? Or will LA have to give up assets for Kawhi and hope to have enough assets left over to dump Deng?

Either way it looks like LeBron is going out West and yet another power shift in the NBA.

verbal8 · Post #1653 » by **verbal8** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:41 pm

Dat2U wrote:Welp, the other shoe just dropped in the LeBron to LA story. Kawhi wants out and wants a trade to the Lakers!

LeBron + Kawhi + ???

Will SA help LA and take on Deng? Or will LA have to give up assets for Kawhi and hope to have enough assets left over to dump Deng?

Either way it looks like LeBron is going out West and yet another power shift in the NBA.

I think Leonard is a far stronger draw to team up with than Paul George. I think the Warriors and Rockets are still ahead of them, but I think Leonard is good enough to put them in contention. I think the key is the Lakers being somehow able to move Deng.

Post #1654 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:11 pm

I have no idea why the Wizards are never mentioned in discussions like this. They're blatantly glossed over.

Sixers - package might be Covington, Fultz and the 10th pick. OK that's a pretty strong offer. I would think in lieu of Fultz they'd probably ask for Saric.

Celtics - I fail to see Ainge packaging one of Brown/Tatum for Leonard but that's just me.

Clippers - 12+13, Tobias Harris and Patrick Beverly...what?

NatP4 · Post #1655 » by **NatP4** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:56 pm

we're on the 10 year plan, no deviating

Post #1656 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:58 pm

I dunno guys, regardless of what Kawhi says he wants - would the Spurs really deal Kawhi in-conference so he can team up with LeBron? I gotta think they pursue every other possible option before doing that.

closg00 · Post #1657 » by **closg00** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:08 pm

Rafael122 wrote:I have no idea why the Wizards are never mentioned in discussions like this. They're blatantly glossed over.

Sixers - package might be Covington, Fultz and the 10th pick. OK that's a pretty strong offer. I would think in lieu of Fultz they'd probably ask for Saric.

Celtics - I fail to see Ainge packaging one of Brown/Tatum for Leonard but that's just me.

Clippers - 12+13, Tobias Harris and Patrick Beverly...what?

You're joking right? Ernie is that nerd in glasses at the prom who knows he can't ask the prettiest girl to dance with him.

Post #1658 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:45 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Lebron going to Philly would be his best move. If he stays in Cleveland, they might have some decent cap space in Summer of 2019 but Philly w/Lebron would come out of the East. Generational talent in Simmons and Embiid, and they have cheap depth. It makes too much sense.

The Process does not include Lebron going to Philly. The 4 NBA player Lebron would not mesh with are... Simmons, Giannis, Wall, and Westbrook.

dckingsfan · Post #1659 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:21 am

Ruzious wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Lebron going to Philly would be his best move. If he stays in Cleveland, they might have some decent cap space in Summer of 2019 but Philly w/Lebron would come out of the East. Generational talent in Simmons and Embiid, and they have cheap depth. It makes too much sense.

The Process does not include Lebron going to Philly. The 4 NBA player Lebron would not mesh with are... Simmons, Giannis, Wall, and Westbrook.

Wall out LeBron in with Lebron playing point PF - this would be a pretty good team. Surrounding Lebron with Satoransky, Beal and Porter - they would become an amazing 3 point shooting team.

Not happening but just saying.

FAH1223 · Post #1660 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:34 am

Dat2U wrote:Welp, the other shoe just dropped in the LeBron to LA story. Kawhi wants out and wants a trade to the Lakers!

LeBron + Kawhi + ???

Will SA help LA and take on Deng? Or will LA have to give up assets for Kawhi and hope to have enough assets left over to dump Deng?

Either way it looks like LeBron is going out West and yet another power shift in the NBA.

Spurs still haven’t gotten a trade request. Kawhi’s camp leaked this to the media while there was reports he’s slated to meet Pop in person. What a bizarre situation.

2nd straight offseason that one of the Spurs stars is wanting out. Pop fu@&ed up this season... as did Tony Parker with voicing their frustrations on his injury.

If the Spurs have to trade him, it’s gonna be Boston and it’ll be one of those young wings and one or more of those picks as the center piece.

No way that RC/Pop help LA Lakers create a super team.