Political Roundtable Part X

[nate33]

Debate questions leaked to Hillary campaign the day before a debate with Sanders.

Read on Twitter

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205

The extent of the collusion between the media and the Clinton campaign is absolutely terrifying. We are already at 3rd world levels of corruption. I know none of you care, but this is the kind of stuff that ends nations. You can't win elections by rigging the system and then expect the people to follow your rules.

[nate33]

Voter fraud in Virginia:

http://ussanews.com/News1/2016/10/06/massive-voter-fraud-proven-in-virginia-mainstream-media-ignores/

[nate33]

James Comey, the man who investigated Clinton, gave a bunch of people immunity, allowed Clinton to delete her emails after they were subpoenaed, and then exonerated her, had an interesting history with Clinton and the Clinton Foundation:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/10/exposed-fbi-director-james-comeys-clinton-foundation-connection/

When Comey was paid $6M a year as vice president at Lockheed Martin while Hillary Clinton was Sec of State, Lockheed donated $250,000 to Bill Clinton to hear a speech and donated an undisclosed sum to the Clinton Foundation. That year, they received 17 new contracts from the State Department. While that's not proof of bribery, it's enough that he should have recused himself from the investigation. He even said he would recuse himself from all cases involving prior employers.

More on Clinton Foundations donors and the Military Industrial Complex:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

[Induveca]

Debate questions leaked to Hillary campaign the day before a debate with Sanders.

Read on Twitter

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205

The extent of the collusion between the media and the Clinton campaign is absolutely terrifying. We are already at 3rd world levels of corruption. I know none of you care, but this is the kind of stuff that ends nations. You can't win elections by rigging the system and then expect the people to follow your rules.

Even worse, a republican debate moderator emailing with Podesta (new leak today of 1100 more emails) about his disdain for Trump. Apparently the Podesta leaks will be 5 times a week, only thing slowing them down is formatting for the search engine.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4303

[Ruzious]

Debate questions leaked to Hillary campaign the day before a debate with Sanders.

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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205

The extent of the collusion between the media and the Clinton campaign is absolutely terrifying. We are already at 3rd world levels of corruption. I know none of you care, but this is the kind of stuff that ends nations. You can't win elections by rigging the system and then expect the people to follow your rules.

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

[Wizardspride]

A question for you, Nate.

IF evidence of Trump using racial slurs comes to light, would that make you reassess your support?

[nate33]

Debate questions leaked to Hillary campaign the day before a debate with Sanders.

Read on Twitter

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205

The extent of the collusion between the media and the Clinton campaign is absolutely terrifying. We are already at 3rd world levels of corruption. I know none of you care, but this is the kind of stuff that ends nations. You can't win elections by rigging the system and then expect the people to follow your rules.

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

Easy for you to say when the media is on your side.

We've got pollsters intentionally rigging polls (polling literally double the amount of women as men) to give a pro Clinton result. (Most other polls have Dem +11 samples even though Gallup polling indicates is more like Dem +4.) We've got CNN reporters coaching people on a post debate panel on what to say when the camera turns on. We've got debate questions getting leaked to Hillary Clinton's campaign before the debates. We've got a total media blackout on Clinton's health issues. We've got voter fraud that has been documented but is not being covered by the media. We had the first debate when Trump was interrupted by the moderator 41 times and asked 6 scandal-related questions to none from Hillary. We spent half the first debate talking about tax returns and Russia, but not a single question about Hillary destroying evidence in an investigation. We haven't even had a question about immigration in either debate yet when immigration is perhaps the signature issue of this election. We've got possible corruption in the FBI from the man in charge of investigating Hillary Clinton. There isn't even any curiosity about this stuff from the mainstream media.

We've never had such one-sided biased coverage of an election. Literally every mainstream paper and news network is endorsing Clinton. Put yourself in position of the half of the country who sides with Trump. How can you view this as a fair fight?

[nate33]

A question for you, Nate.

IF evidence of Trump using racial slurs comes to light, would that make you reassess your support?

If Clinton gets elected, she will amnesty 13-30 million illegal aliens, or at the very least, admit another 5-10 million more in which will increase the pressure for legalization. (Obama isn't even trying to enforce the border and Hillary won't either.) When that happens, Texas, Arizona and Florida become unwinnable and no Conservative or Libertarian will ever win national office ever again. Trump saying the n-word umpteen years ago as a private citizen in a private conversation is so far down my list of priorities that I can't even rank it.

[nate33]

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[Ruzious]

Debate questions leaked to Hillary campaign the day before a debate with Sanders.

Read on Twitter

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205

The extent of the collusion between the media and the Clinton campaign is absolutely terrifying. We are already at 3rd world levels of corruption. I know none of you care, but this is the kind of stuff that ends nations. You can't win elections by rigging the system and then expect the people to follow your rules.

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

Easy for you to say when the media is on your side.

We've got pollsters intentionally rigging polls (polling literally double the amount of women as men) to give a pro Clinton result. (Most other polls have Dem +11 samples even though Gallup polling indicates is more like Dem +4.) We've got CNN reporters coaching people on a post debate panel on what to say when the camera turns on. We've got debate questions getting leaked to Hillary Clinton's campaign before the debates. We've got a total media blackout on Clinton's health issues. We've got voter fraud that has been documented but is not being covered by the media. We had the first debate when Trump was interrupted by the moderator 41 times and asked 6 scandal-related questions to none from Hillary. We spent half the first debate talking about tax returns and Russia, but not a single question about Hillary destroying evidence in an investigation. We haven't even had a question about immigration in either debate yet when immigration is perhaps the signature issue of this election. We've got possible corruption in the FBI from the man in charge of investigating Hillary Clinton. There isn't even any curiosity about this stuff from the mainstream media.

We've never had such one-sided biased coverage of an election. Literally every mainstream paper and news network is endorsing Clinton. Put yourself in position of the half of the country who sides with Trump. How can you view this as a fair fight?

OMG, stop with brain-numbing paranoia. Have you listened to the radio. There must be at least 5 right-wing nut-job programs insisting that Hillary's about to die to every liberal talk-show. You're trying to set up this fiction of voter fraud before there's been any vote. Worried that the Republicans can't control the vote through Diebold? You're playing a caricature of a delusional paranoid whacko. Everthying... you hear negative about Hillary you believe. Everything... you hear negative about Donald feeds your paranoia against Dems even when the ones revealing the negatives have nothing to do with Hillary. And you don't even care if it's true - what's important to you is minimizing the damage - not that your guy is a complete piece of garbage. If he shot Bill Clinton in cold blood today and bragged about it, your first thought would be... how do we minimize the damage so that he can get elected - right?

[Ruzious]

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So basically you're against certain types of US citizens being encouraged to vote.

[nate33]

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So basically you're against certain types of US citizens being encouraged to vote.

I'm against them being bussed around to multiple polling stations and voting multiple times.

[nate33]

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

Easy for you to say when the media is on your side.

We've got pollsters intentionally rigging polls (polling literally double the amount of women as men) to give a pro Clinton result. (Most other polls have Dem +11 samples even though Gallup polling indicates is more like Dem +4.) We've got CNN reporters coaching people on a post debate panel on what to say when the camera turns on. We've got debate questions getting leaked to Hillary Clinton's campaign before the debates. We've got a total media blackout on Clinton's health issues. We've got voter fraud that has been documented but is not being covered by the media. We had the first debate when Trump was interrupted by the moderator 41 times and asked 6 scandal-related questions to none from Hillary. We spent half the first debate talking about tax returns and Russia, but not a single question about Hillary destroying evidence in an investigation. We haven't even had a question about immigration in either debate yet when immigration is perhaps the signature issue of this election. We've got possible corruption in the FBI from the man in charge of investigating Hillary Clinton. There isn't even any curiosity about this stuff from the mainstream media.

We've never had such one-sided biased coverage of an election. Literally every mainstream paper and news network is endorsing Clinton. Put yourself in position of the half of the country who sides with Trump. How can you view this as a fair fight?

OMG, stop with brain-numbing paranoia. Have you listened to the radio. There must be at least 5 right-wing nut-job programs insisting that Hillary's about to die to every liberal talk-show. You're trying to set up this fiction of voter fraud before there's been any vote. Worried that the Republicans can't control the vote through Diebold? You're playing a caricature of a delusional paranoid whacko. Everthying... you hear negative about Hillary you believe. Everything... you hear negative about Donald feeds your paranoia against Dems even when the ones revealing the negatives have nothing to do with Hillary. And you don't even care if it's true - what's important to you is minimizing the damage - not that your guy is a complete piece of garbage. If he shot Bill Clinton in cold blood today and bragged about it, your first thought would be... how do we minimize the damage so that he can get elected - right?

There is voter registration fraud now. The voting fraud comes later.

And I note you had nothing to say about the wildly slanted polling, the coaching of panels by CNN, the one-sided questions in the debates, and the leaking of debate questions to the Clinton campaign. I won't even get into the wildly lopsided campaign funding from banks, insurance and health care. I also forgot to mention the repeated examples of mainstream media running draft articles passed Clinton campaign reps for approval. But no matter what I say, you will dismiss it as paranoia.

[stevemcqueen1]

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

He has an apocalyptic, conspiratorial view of the world that is fueled by racism. He's built a tower of absurd and infuriating rationalizations for the sensibility of racism upon what actually just boils down to the negative emotional response of fear that he experiences when he is confronted by differences.

[montestewart]

The only person doing bussing in poling stations, multiple times, is Trump (with a nod to hands)

[Ruzious]

Easy for you to say when the media is on your side.

We've got pollsters intentionally rigging polls (polling literally double the amount of women as men) to give a pro Clinton result. (Most other polls have Dem +11 samples even though Gallup polling indicates is more like Dem +4.) We've got CNN reporters coaching people on a post debate panel on what to say when the camera turns on. We've got debate questions getting leaked to Hillary Clinton's campaign before the debates. We've got a total media blackout on Clinton's health issues. We've got voter fraud that has been documented but is not being covered by the media. We had the first debate when Trump was interrupted by the moderator 41 times and asked 6 scandal-related questions to none from Hillary. We spent half the first debate talking about tax returns and Russia, but not a single question about Hillary destroying evidence in an investigation. We haven't even had a question about immigration in either debate yet when immigration is perhaps the signature issue of this election. We've got possible corruption in the FBI from the man in charge of investigating Hillary Clinton. There isn't even any curiosity about this stuff from the mainstream media.

We've never had such one-sided biased coverage of an election. Literally every mainstream paper and news network is endorsing Clinton. Put yourself in position of the half of the country who sides with Trump. How can you view this as a fair fight?

OMG, stop with brain-numbing paranoia. Have you listened to the radio. There must be at least 5 right-wing nut-job programs insisting that Hillary's about to die to every liberal talk-show. You're trying to set up this fiction of voter fraud before there's been any vote. Worried that the Republicans can't control the vote through Diebold? You're playing a caricature of a delusional paranoid whacko. Everthying... you hear negative about Hillary you believe. Everything... you hear negative about Donald feeds your paranoia against Dems even when the ones revealing the negatives have nothing to do with Hillary. And you don't even care if it's true - what's important to you is minimizing the damage - not that your guy is a complete piece of garbage. If he shot Bill Clinton in cold blood today and bragged about it, your first thought would be... how do we minimize the damage so that he can get elected - right?

There is voter registration fraud now. The voting fraud comes later.

And I note you had nothing to say about the wildly slanted polling, the coaching of panels by CNN, the one-sided questions in the debates, and the leaking of debate questions to the Clinton campaign. I won't even get into the wildly lopsided campaign funding from banks, insurance and health care. I also forgot to mention the repeated examples of mainstream media running draft articles passed Clinton campaign reps for approval. But no matter what I say, you will dismiss it as paranoia.

Even if I believed Dems do more slanting of polls than Repubs (which I don't), I'm doubtful that it's effective in getting more votes for the candidate it's slanted for. I think it makes voters less likely to show up to vote if they think they're candidate has it in the bag. I believe that's why Nixon beat Humphrey - in the first election that I paid attention to.

[Induveca]

For those bashing Nate, you just completely dismiss the now 5k Podesta emails completely supporting Nate's statements?

Clinton herself confirmed they were authentic with the Lincoln comment. Sincerely asking, is this a cover your ears situation due to you despising (understandably) Trump or you simply think they're all Russian forgeries and not as Wikileaks stated last night (the DNC is leaking like the Titanic)?

Seems to me you want it both ways, all leaks against Clinton aren't to be recognized as they originate from Wikileaks (an organization once loved by left/leaning types for their Guantanamo and Iraq leaks). Now leaks seemingly hurt their candidate, so it's a Russian conspiracy and not to be trusted.

Raw data, posted to a simple searchable database where citizens can judge the data independent is far more appealing than biased media picking/choosing what to support.

The dynamic of Reddit/Wikileaks is very interesting to watch.....there is a dynamic there that works. Obviously in its infancy but it's an electronic engagement with politics I haven't seen in my lifetime. Normal citizens doing some pretty amazing coordination in their due diligence of the leaks.

[popper]

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

He has an apocalyptic, conspiratorial view of the world that is fueled by racism. He's built a tower of absurd and infuriating rationalizations for the sensibility of racism upon what actually just boils down to the negative emotional response of fear that he experiences when he is confronted by differences.

Or, he's stating the facts which lead inexorably to the conclusion that for the D elite and MSM, the ends justify the means. We are for all intents and purposes a banana republic with corrupted govt. institutions (IRS, Justice, FBI, etc.) and a belief that it's better to become a nation of men and not of laws if it means your preferred candidate wins. I deplore Trump but Hillary and Obama are the much more dangerous alternatives. We will get what we deserve and it's not going to be pretty.

[Kanyewest]

Even worse, a republican debate moderator emailing with Podesta (new leak today of 1100 more emails) about his disdain for Trump. Apparently the Podesta leaks will be 5 times a week, only thing slowing them down is formatting for the search engine.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4303

I guess I could be wrong but I'm failing to understand why this is so bad. I mean debate moderators are allowed to be friends with campaign managers and its not like John Hardwood moderated a Clinton/Sanders debate.

[Ruzious]

What I think? You... have completely... lost touch with reality.

He has an apocalyptic, conspiratorial view of the world that is fueled by racism. He's built a tower of absurd and infuriating rationalizations for the sensibility of racism upon what actually just boils down to the negative emotional response of fear that he experiences when he is confronted by differences.

Or, he's stating the facts which lead inexorably to the conclusion that for the D elite and MSM, the ends justify the means. We are for all intents and purposes a banana republic with corrupted govt. institutions (IRS, Justice, FBI, etc.) and a belief that it's better to become a nation of men and not of laws if it means your preferred candidate wins. I deplore Trump but Hillary and Obama are the much more dangerous alternatives. We will get what we deserve and it's not going to be pretty.

Even if you' were right about every one of your paranoid fantasies and pathetic witch hunts, do you really think corruption is new? My guess is the only thing that's changed is technology. For all you know, corruption is currently a lot less than it has been all throughout US history.