Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

[Kanyewest]

Although the Bulls did give us Kevin Seraphin

If Chicago had kept their pick instead of offloading Hinrich's contract, I wonder who Chicago would have drafted. They potentially could have taken Bledsoe or Bradley.

Kanyewest -- ?? Butler was picked in the 2011 draft.

Closg00 -- and we had the opportunity to get 3 rotation players, even better than their 2. Even more amazing, we could have had Kawhi Leonard (who was my pick at #6), Kenneth Faried (my pick @#18) and Chandler Parsons (ditto @#34).

And, in fact, we *did* get a rotation NBA player, Shelvin Mack, and waived him.

All in all, a true triumph!

I thought you hated posts like this bragging about who people would have picked. But like I said, everyone does it, including you so hopefully you can just except that's what people do on a sport board and get past that moving forward.

Here is what the board was thinking going into that draft and after. Since you were not here yet, none of your suggestions were documented here.

Some gems of insight along with some pretty funny predictions.

Here was a good one.

Kawhi Leonard would be the WORST option out of all. He can't shoot a lick, and had terrible efficiency numbers in college. He ranked as one of the worst offensive players from an efficiency standpoint according to DX.

On a team with one shooter (who's streaky), that's not a pick I would even remotely consider. Quite frankly, I have no clue how that guy even made it into lottery consideration...before the college season was up, he was seen as a mid-1st rounder.

And a REPLY

Gotta co-sign this. Leonard was a poor offensive player in college. The rebounding will translate and it sounds like he can defend but right now he's a situational player at best. I think he'll have a role in the league but so does Dominic McGuire and right now that's the comparison I keep coming back to. A deluxe version of McGuire. That's NOT what I'd want with the sixth pick

Slather me, Lather me, Blather me - 2011 Draft Thread 5
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This thread was a good read. Wow, a lot of us were wrong in that draft. If the Wizards had traded their two first rounders for either Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter, it would have been less than ideal.

DCZards - with the good call though

The more I hear/read about Vesley and the other big European, the more I want the Zards to draft Thompson or Leonard at #6, assuming Kanter is gone.

Thompson=strength, rebounding and solid interior D...and Leonard=defense, an outstanding motor and impressive athleticism.

WizarDynasty with some brilliant insights that Derrick Williams wasn't going to be good and that DeAndre Jordan was going to better than McGee- interesting that Jordan did turn out to be the better player

[hands11]

Yeah, lots of gold in that thread 2 days leading up the draft.

Lots of talk about Kanter. He was a big topic that year.

No mention of Klay that I recall.

Some talk of Vuc and T Harris a few times

Not a lot of love for K Lenard though the big hands pictures were interesting.

People thinking TOR might pick Ves and we could get Jonas Valanciunas

[closg00]

Yeah, lots of gold in that thread.

Lots of talk about Kanter. He was a big topic that year.

No mention of Klay that I recall.

Some talk of Vuc and T Harris a few times

Not a lot of love for K Lenard though the big hands pictures were interesting.

People thinking TOR might pick Ves and we could get Jonas Valanciunas

There were 5, 100 page draft threads, or "Official" draft thread, you posted the link to just one of the threads.
Here's a good quote from one of the threads.

"chat with chad" had a lot of questions to answer about the wiz today. mostly stuff we already knew but these are his thoughts.

chad ford on the wiz:
I think Derrick Williams is the target. Though I've heard they also are big Kanter fans. Is JaVale McGee worth that to them? He's a knucklehead, but he'd probably be ranked very, very high in this draft too.

If they stay at 6 ... Kanter, Vesely and Kawhi Leonard are the favorites. But there are two dark horses here as well: Klay Thompson and Tristan Thompson. I'm told both are seriously in the mix in Washington. The Wizards had eyed Klay at No. 18 before his stock went through the roof at workouts. They'd really like another shooter in the backcourt with Wall.

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A failure of epic proportions.

[fishercob]

Yay, The Cavs effed themselves!

Blunder With Bogans Hinders Cleveland Cavaliers’ Roster Flexibility

[Ruzious]

Yay, The Cavs effed themselves!

Blunder With Bogans Hinders Cleveland Cavaliers’ Roster Flexibility

I think there's a rule in the new CBA - whoever has Bogans' contract when the 76ers win their first game gets an extra 3rd round draft pick.

[Dat2U]

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When's the last time a player like Williams (tweener forward with suspect defense, average rebounding and solid athleticism for a PF) won a title as a major piece?

I'm so unenthused by Vesely, I'd rather the Wizards use the pick to dump Lewis. I'd give Cleveland the pick if they'd take Lewis with their TPE, if that's even possible. That would be a better move than drafting Vesely.

Ernie & his minions are idiots and Leonsis is an even bigger idiot for trusting his decision making ability.

Valanciunas puts up 26 points, 24 rebounds, 5 blocks, 3 assists with 10-11 from the line against Poland in the FIBA U19 championships. Add this to the 30 and 15 he dropped on the USA a couple days ago. Per DX Twitter page, an NBA GM watching the game calls him "the steal of the draft, by far."

Again, my understanding is we had him rated a little higher than Vesely, but weren't willing to pull the trigger on #4 for #6, 18, and 34.

I guess management figures we are set in the middle for the next decade with Pierre and Every Day is a Holiday Dray.

Meh. Nice numbers but remember the competition. Yi looked like a baller (averaged something like 20 & 10) in the FIBA Championships last year and that was against grown men, not a bunch of 18 & 19 year old kids.

Certainly I think he's a better prospect than Vesely but in all the video I watched on Jonas I didn't see a game changing C. I saw a guy who was very limited offensively but could potentially develop into a Andris Biedrins type of player down the road. Not a bad guy to have but not someone I would trade up for.

Kawhi Leonard would be the WORST option out of all. He can't shoot a lick, and had terrible efficiency numbers in college. He ranked as one of the worst offensive players from an efficiency standpoint according to DX.

On a team with one shooter (who's streaky), that's not a pick I would even remotely consider. Quite frankly, I have no clue how that guy even made it into lottery consideration...before the college season was up, he was seen as a mid-1st rounder.

Gotta co-sign this. Leonard was a poor offensive player in college. The rebounding will translate and it sounds like he can defend but right now he's a situational player at best. I think he'll have a role in the league but so does Dominic McGuire and right now that's the comparison I keep coming back to. A deluxe version of McGuire. That's NOT what I'd want with the sixth pick.

If were forced to stay at 6 and Enes Kanter was gone, I'd would be choosing b/w Tristan Thompson and Bismack Biyombo. Might as well err on the side of low post defense.

Well I was wrong about Leonard... that stats in college threw me off...obviously the Spurs did their homework and projected something that wasn't obvious.

I ended up coming around to Kemba Walker as the pick come draft day. I was too scared about the issues with Biyombo's age to risk picking him.

[TGW]

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When's the last time a player like Williams (tweener forward with suspect defense, average rebounding and solid athleticism for a PF) won a title as a major piece?

I'm so unenthused by Vesely, I'd rather the Wizards use the pick to dump Lewis. I'd give Cleveland the pick if they'd take Lewis with their TPE, if that's even possible. That would be a better move than drafting Vesely.

Ernie & his minions are idiots and Leonsis is an even bigger idiot for trusting his decision making ability.

Valanciunas puts up 26 points, 24 rebounds, 5 blocks, 3 assists with 10-11 from the line against Poland in the FIBA U19 championships. Add this to the 30 and 15 he dropped on the USA a couple days ago. Per DX Twitter page, an NBA GM watching the game calls him "the steal of the draft, by far."

Again, my understanding is we had him rated a little higher than Vesely, but weren't willing to pull the trigger on #4 for #6, 18, and 34.

I guess management figures we are set in the middle for the next decade with Pierre and Every Day is a Holiday Dray.

Meh. Nice numbers but remember the competition. Yi looked like a baller (averaged something like 20 & 10) in the FIBA Championships last year and that was against grown men, not a bunch of 18 & 19 year old kids.

Certainly I think he's a better prospect than Vesely but in all the video I watched on Jonas I didn't see a game changing C. I saw a guy who was very limited offensively but could potentially develop into a Andris Biedrins type of player down the road. Not a bad guy to have but not someone I would trade up for.

Kawhi Leonard would be the WORST option out of all. He can't shoot a lick, and had terrible efficiency numbers in college. He ranked as one of the worst offensive players from an efficiency standpoint according to DX.

On a team with one shooter (who's streaky), that's not a pick I would even remotely consider. Quite frankly, I have no clue how that guy even made it into lottery consideration...before the college season was up, he was seen as a mid-1st rounder.

Gotta co-sign this. Leonard was a poor offensive player in college. The rebounding will translate and it sounds like he can defend but right now he's a situational player at best. I think he'll have a role in the league but so does Dominic McGuire and right now that's the comparison I keep coming back to. A deluxe version of McGuire. That's NOT what I'd want with the sixth pick.

If were forced to stay at 6 and Enes Kanter was gone, I'd would be choosing b/w Tristan Thompson and Bismack Biyombo. Might as well err on the side of low post defense.

Well I was wrong about Leonard... that stats in college threw me off...obviously the Spurs did their homework and projected something that wasn't obvious.

I ended up coming around to Kemba Walker as the pick come draft day. I was too scared about the issues with Biyombo's age to risk picking him.

Good lord what a fail!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Stephan Curry - 2009 - Randy/Foye trade
Harrison Barnes - 2010 - Brad Beal
Klay Thompson - 2011 - Jan Vesely
Draymond Green - 2012 - Sato

Looking at the left column names vs the names on the right, I am reminded of the Sesame Street jingle. "One of these things is not like the other".

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Stephan Curry - 2009 - Randy/Foye trade
Harrison Barnes - 2010 - Brad Beal
Klay Thompson - 2011 - Jan Vesely
Draymond Green - 2012 - Sato

4 of 5 GSW starters were players Grunfeld passed on. With the exception of Barnes (luke-warm board opinion), the others were advocated for on the board at the time of their perspective drafts.

I didn't think Barnes would be anything special -- really wasn't convinced he was an NBA-level starter. But he is having a monster season so far, big jump up. If it's for real, he has a chance to turn out *very* well.

I liked Green -- guys that good in Div. 1 NCAA are usually good pros too -- but I would have taken Jae Crowder over him. Green may turn out to be the (even bigger) steal.

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When's the last time a player like Williams (tweener forward with suspect defense, average rebounding and solid athleticism for a PF) won a title as a major piece?

I'm so unenthused by Vesely, I'd rather the Wizards use the pick to dump Lewis. I'd give Cleveland the pick if they'd take Lewis with their TPE, if that's even possible. That would be a better move than drafting Vesely.

Ernie & his minions are idiots and Leonsis is an even bigger idiot for trusting his decision making ability.

Meh. Nice numbers but remember the competition. Yi looked like a baller (averaged something like 20 & 10) in the FIBA Championships last year and that was against grown men, not a bunch of 18 & 19 year old kids.

Certainly I think he's a better prospect than Vesely but in all the video I watched on Jonas I didn't see a game changing C. I saw a guy who was very limited offensively but could potentially develop into a Andris Biedrins type of player down the road. Not a bad guy to have but not someone I would trade up for.

Gotta co-sign this. Leonard was a poor offensive player in college. The rebounding will translate and it sounds like he can defend but right now he's a situational player at best. I think he'll have a role in the league but so does Dominic McGuire and right now that's the comparison I keep coming back to. A deluxe version of McGuire. That's NOT what I'd want with the sixth pick.

If were forced to stay at 6 and Enes Kanter was gone, I'd would be choosing b/w Tristan Thompson and Bismack Biyombo. Might as well err on the side of low post defense.

Well I was wrong about Leonard... that stats in college threw me off...obviously the Spurs did their homework and projected something that wasn't obvious.

I ended up coming around to Kemba Walker as the pick come draft day. I was too scared about the issues with Biyombo's age to risk picking him.

Good lord what a fail!

Nobody bats a thousand -- except Hands of course. I've read tons of people here pointing out where they were wrong; I've done the same repeatedly. You can't be right if you're not willing to be wrong.

Hands -- why don't you list some of your own mistakes? Might make it possible to pay attention to some things you say.

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viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1117467&start=880

When's the last time a player like Williams (tweener forward with suspect defense, average rebounding and solid athleticism for a PF) won a title as a major piece?

I'm so unenthused by Vesely, I'd rather the Wizards use the pick to dump Lewis. I'd give Cleveland the pick if they'd take Lewis with their TPE, if that's even possible. That would be a better move than drafting Vesely.

Ernie & his minions are idiots and Leonsis is an even bigger idiot for trusting his decision making ability.

Valanciunas puts up 26 points, 24 rebounds, 5 blocks, 3 assists with 10-11 from the line against Poland in the FIBA U19 championships. Add this to the 30 and 15 he dropped on the USA a couple days ago. Per DX Twitter page, an NBA GM watching the game calls him "the steal of the draft, by far."

Again, my understanding is we had him rated a little higher than Vesely, but weren't willing to pull the trigger on #4 for #6, 18, and 34.

I guess management figures we are set in the middle for the next decade with Pierre and Every Day is a Holiday Dray.

Meh. Nice numbers but remember the competition. Yi looked like a baller (averaged something like 20 & 10) in the FIBA Championships last year and that was against grown men, not a bunch of 18 & 19 year old kids.

Certainly I think he's a better prospect than Vesely but in all the video I watched on Jonas I didn't see a game changing C. I saw a guy who was very limited offensively but could potentially develop into a Andris Biedrins type of player down the road. Not a bad guy to have but not someone I would trade up for.

Kawhi Leonard would be the WORST option out of all. He can't shoot a lick, and had terrible efficiency numbers in college. He ranked as one of the worst offensive players from an efficiency standpoint according to DX.

On a team with one shooter (who's streaky), that's not a pick I would even remotely consider. Quite frankly, I have no clue how that guy even made it into lottery consideration...before the college season was up, he was seen as a mid-1st rounder.

Gotta co-sign this. Leonard was a poor offensive player in college. The rebounding will translate and it sounds like he can defend but right now he's a situational player at best. I think he'll have a role in the league but so does Dominic McGuire and right now that's the comparison I keep coming back to. A deluxe version of McGuire. That's NOT what I'd want with the sixth pick.

If were forced to stay at 6 and Enes Kanter was gone, I'd would be choosing b/w Tristan Thompson and Bismack Biyombo. Might as well err on the side of low post defense.

Well I was wrong about Leonard... that stats in college threw me off...obviously the Spurs did their homework and projected something that wasn't obvious.

I ended up coming around to Kemba Walker as the pick come draft day. I was too scared about the issues with Biyombo's age to risk picking him.

Well, I did want to take Leonard w/ that pick -- but that doesn't make me all that smart. Did I see him becoming the player he is now? No, of course not! I don't have a crystal ball. I just thought he was the best pick once Kanter & Valenciunas were gone -- I'd have taken either of them over Leonard (and been wrong!).

#18 was easier -- Faried was a can't miss player. But I wouldn't have gnashed my teeth if we'd grabbed Harris, who I thought and still think of as having an enormous upside, or Motiejunas (who isn't looking as good as I thought he might).

[TGW]

What's funny about that draft is that it's looking like a very deep draft. Maybe no superstars, but definitely some damn good players. Hell, an NBA Finals MVP came out of that draft...can't say that about most drafts.

[Kanyewest]

What's funny about that draft is that it's looking like a very deep draft. Maybe no superstars, but definitely some damn good players. Hell, an NBA Finals MVP came out of that draft...can't say that about most drafts.

San Antonio though seems to find the Final MVPs as they have 3 of them on their roster.

[TGW]

What's funny about that draft is that it's looking like a very deep draft. Maybe no superstars, but definitely some damn good players. Hell, an NBA Finals MVP came out of that draft...can't say that about most drafts.

San Antonio though seems to find the Final MVPs as they have 3 of them on their roster.

Well apparently we're just like them, so I expect Wall, Beal, and Porter to be Finals MVPs soon.

[closg00]

What's funny about that draft is that it's looking like a very deep draft. Maybe no superstars, but definitely some damn good players. Hell, an NBA Finals MVP came out of that draft...can't say that about most drafts.

Kevin may have some data one this, but the 2011 draft appears to be one of the deepest in years, the exact opposite of the conventional wisdom at the time.

[LyricalRico]

Wow, the Nets mortgaged everything (short term cap, longterm draft picks) to make a title run last year. And now they're reportedly making everyone available. Lopez has at least some value because he's a big and his deal is only until 2016. But does anybody want to pay Deron Williams the max until 2017? And can anybody even fit Joe Johnson's deal under their cap?

[floppymoose]

I liked Green -- guys that good in Div. 1 NCAA are usually good pros too -- but I would have taken Jae Crowder over him. Green may turn out to be the (even bigger) steal.

Oddly enough, Crowder was my guy too. And I wanted O'Quinn over Ezili.

But mostly that was because I had never even seen Green or Ezili play.

[Kanyewest]

Wow, the Nets mortgaged everything (short term cap, longterm draft picks) to make a title run last year. And now they're reportedly making everyone available. Lopez has at least some value because he's a big and his deal is only until 2016. But does anybody want to pay Deron Williams the max until 2017? And can anybody even fit Joe Johnson's deal under their cap?

Someone traded for Andrea Bargnani so you never know.

[mhd]

Toronto would be a sneaky good fit for Joe Johnson. They have the expirings (Fields, Hayes, and Lou WIlliams) to make a trade.

[pineappleheadindc]

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For Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks, things are getting tense

Things are going horribly for the New York Knicks, who have won just four games and, according to team president/Zen master Phil Jackson have “a loser’s mentality.”

Now, ESPN reports that players are getting short with one another. Last week, according to Chris Broussard, Tim Hardaway Jr. screamed “Get a rebound” during a game and Carmelo Anthony, who believed he was the target of the angry directive, cursed as he asked whom whom Hardaway was speaking to and threatened to beat him up in the locker room after the game.

Read the rest by clicking here.

The Knicks are totally dysfunctional.

Melo could have/should have gone to the Bulls in the off-season. But the way things are playing out, could it be that the Bulls are breathing a sigh of relief that they've actually dodged a bullet?