Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[Ruzious]

Kanter would be good... Unfortunately, we haven nothing we can part with to make the trade happen. Anything worthy in the trade that we give up will make us weak somewhere else. I suppose we can trade a few picks?

He'd be a 30 game rental - and an unhappy backup here.

[hands11]

I say we keep our picks and players and roll with it. Just sign FA only. Or DL call ups.

There are plenty of FA we can get to back up SG and PG in the off season.

Give up nothing more then a 2nd.

The benefit of not sucking and having Wall is so you can pick up good assets in the FA market on the cheap or good value.

Just need to be patient. Look what we got last off season.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ ... int-guard/

[WallToWall]

I saw we keep our picks and player and roll with it. Just sign FA only. Or DL call ups.

There are plenty of FA we can get to back up SG and PG in the off season.

Give up nothing more then a 2nd.

Party of the benefit of not sucking and having Wall is so you can pick up good assets in the FA market are cheap or good value.

Just need to be patient. Looks what we got last off season.

Hands, I hear you. But I am starting to get impatient, actually more worried. Wall is in his prime. Remember when we were saying he is ENTERING his prime? Well, he's in it now. We have 6 years (assuming he re-signs) for our window. Unless we have some changes (scorer/creator off the bench, backup big man), this year is not going to be the year. Then we have 5 years...and so it goes...

[hands11]

I saw we keep our picks and player and roll with it. Just sign FA only. Or DL call ups.

There are plenty of FA we can get to back up SG and PG in the off season.

Give up nothing more then a 2nd.

Party of the benefit of not sucking and having Wall is so you can pick up good assets in the FA market are cheap or good value.

Just need to be patient. Looks what we got last off season.

Hands, I hear you. But I am starting to get impatient, actually more worried. Wall is in his prime. Remember when we were saying he is ENTERING his prime? Well, he's in it now. We have 6 years (assuming he re-signs) for our window. Unless we have some changes (scorer/creator off the bench, backup big man), this year is not going to be the year. Then we have 5 years...and so it goes...

First, he is just starting to enter his prime. Next year would be like his true first year full prime.

2ndly.... 6 years is a long long time in basketball. Your talking enough time to three peat. Twice ..

Plus, the kind of PG Wall is with his passing, he should be good well into 34.. Thats 10 years

Not time to be inpatient.

[krii]

Jameer Nelson could be a really good backup PG. I wonder what they would like to have in exchange ... Blair? 2nd round pick?

[Dark Faze]

I mean do you want to win or what

Jameer is mediocre

Effing mediocre moves from this franchise every goddamn time I swear. Mediocre GM. Mediocre coach. Mediocre roster. Mediocre free agents. Mediocre record.

I mean damn I'd love to chew Teds head off.

[tontoz]

I mean do you want to win or what

Jameer is mediocre

Effing mediocre moves from this franchise every goddamn time I swear. Mediocre GM. Mediocre coach. Mediocre roster. Mediocre free agents. Mediocre record.

I mean damn I'd love to chew Teds head off.

Nelson is 33. His best days are behind him so i can see why EG likes him. Don't be surprised if we give up a future 1st to get him.

[Benjammin]

I mean do you want to win or what

Jameer is mediocre

Effing mediocre moves from this franchise every goddamn time I swear. Mediocre GM. Mediocre coach. Mediocre roster. Mediocre free agents. Mediocre record.

I mean damn I'd love to chew Teds head off.

me·di·o·cre
ˌmēdēˈōkər/Submit
adjective
of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish;


I hate to give the English vocabulary lesson. There is NOTHING MEDIOCRE about EFG. He should love to be considered mediocre. There is NOTHING MEDIOCRE about this franchise. We should aspire to such heights. There is NOTHING MEDIOCRE about Randy Wittman's coaching record. Even with his success the last two years, his winning percentage is .390. I would agree that this year's squad the roster is mediocre. EFG's free agents over the years have not risen to mediocrity. This year's record so far is better than mediocre, except when you take into consideration their strength of schedule.

Now with all that, I hope we improve and make a nice run in the playoffs. I've enjoyed watching some of the games this year. But the Wizards in many areas have a long way to go to be given the "lofty" title of mediocre.

[TheSecretWeapon]

I mean do you want to win or what

Jameer is mediocre

Effing mediocre moves from this franchise every goddamn time I swear. Mediocre GM. Mediocre coach. Mediocre roster. Mediocre free agents. Mediocre record.

I mean damn I'd love to chew Teds head off.

me·di·o·cre
ˌmēdēˈōkər/Submit
adjective
of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish;


I hate to give the English vocabulary lesson. There is NOTHING MEDIOCRE about EFG. He should love to be considered mediocre. There is NOTHING MEDIOCRE about this franchise. We should aspire to such heights. There is NOTHING MEDIOCRE about Randy Wittman's coaching record. Even with his success the last two years, his winning percentage is .390. I would agree that this year's squad the roster is mediocre. EFG's free agents over the years have not risen to mediocrity. This year's record so far is better than mediocre, except when you take into consideration their strength of schedule.

Now with all that, I hope we improve and make a nice run in the playoffs. I've enjoyed watching some of the games this year. But the Wizards in many areas have a long way to go to be given the "lofty" title of mediocre.

I think you're being too hard on Grunfeld. I mean, the team is moving up in the standings lately. This season, they've moved from 28th to 27th in winning percentage since Grunfeld took over in 2003. With the Knicks in 26th and Philadelphia in 24th, there's a really good chance The Team that Grunfeld Built could move all the way to 25th. Next season, they might even squeak past Brooklyn and take 24th. Just think how good the team will be next season when guys like Pierce, Miller and Nenê have another year of experience.

[closg00]

I mean do you want to win or what

Jameer is mediocre

Effing mediocre moves from this franchise every goddamn time I swear. Mediocre GM. Mediocre coach. Mediocre roster. Mediocre free agents. Mediocre record.

I mean damn I'd love to chew Teds head off.

Nelson is 33. His best days are behind him so i can see why EG likes him. Don't be surprised if we give up a future 1st to get him.

EG's pattern for how he runs the FO is well established. You can be confident in wagering that EG is trying to unload Webster while picking up another player on his way out, Nelson fits the bill. The question becomes, do we end -up losing another 1st round pick in the process?

[LyricalRico]

ESPN.com reported last month that Bartelstein is likewise working with the Phoenix Suns to find a workable trade for big man Miles Plumlee.

http://beta.espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein ... gic-active

Any ideas to get him here?

[payitforward]

Big decision to make...

Should the Wizards just ride it out ... or

...go for a Afflalo and you have to give up value for him which which is a 18-20th first.

Afflalo? Why? What would make you think he's anything but a journeyman? He doesn't make us better this season or going forward. And he has a player option for next year wch he'll certainly pick up.

Edit: ooops, duh.... you don't want to do that.

I think we should get Kazam Birch.

[hands11]

ESPN.com reported last month that Bartelstein is likewise working with the Phoenix Suns to find a workable trade for big man Miles Plumlee.

http://beta.espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein ... gic-active

Any ideas to get him here?

Another broken link. I think it happens when you edit a post.

[Dark Faze]

Report out that suns would prefer to trade Isaiah Thomas over Dragic

My god, why settle for trash when we can get a near 20 PER backup SCORING PG who can create his own shot. We'd have control over him for years and can easily get rid of him later if his contract gets in the way of a major free agent acquisition.

[hands11]

Report out that suns would prefer to trade Isaiah Thomas over Dragic

My god, why settle for trash when we can get a near 20 PER backup SCORING PG who can create his own shot. We'd have control over him for years and can easily get rid of him later if his contract gets in the way of a major free agent acquisition.

It would be a huge over pay for a back up PG $7,238,606 $6,912,869 $6,587,131 $6,261,394

But it is a descending contract. You could play some Wall with him having Wall guard the SG which could be outright nasty if you have a small PG and SG to cover. That could help you get him 22-25 mins a game.

Wall 30 as PG and 34-35 total leave 14 mins of PG right there. 6 mins with Wall gets you to 20 mins. More if the game is in hand then Wall can rest.

If you going to give up a first, that's a good place to do it. Trade them Miller back in the deal so the cap hit isn't there.

Give them Blair as well and pretty much no cap hit. And we can add a young big like Klem Birch or other DL call up if we want.

Huge upgrade in athleticism for the team.

I kind of like it. Specially since you can always move him again later and probably get our first back as long as we traded him with a least two years left on his contract. Its stored value.

And I love the little dudes confidence. He always has his game face on. He won't back down in the playoffs.

Man, imagine him and Wall on a FAST BREAK... That would be nuts. IT to WALL ALLEY OOPS..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmwXQunTFuc[/youtube]

Plus setting up 3s and taking 3s.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_FV29j-J8[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNiigSkWy_E[/youtube]

[fishercob]

Report out that suns would prefer to trade Isaiah Thomas over Dragic

My god, why settle for trash when we can get a near 20 PER backup SCORING PG who can create his own shot. We'd have control over him for years and can easily get rid of him later if his contract gets in the way of a major free agent acquisition.

Agreed -- i would trade our first round pick for Thomas, as I think he's capable of playing well alonsgside either Wall or Beal. I'd happuly include Seraphin or Webster or whomever Phoenix wanted to make the money work. I'm not concerned about his contract affecting future plans, as he's a good player and his contract is a good one too.

[hands11]

And it frees up 5M for them next year if they take Miller and Blair. And Blair gives them some beef they need. And they get a mid first. And Professor adds a vet they could use on a young team.

Hell, maybe we don't even have to give up our mid first. Not sure what his current value is but PHX got him from SAC for the right to Alex Oriakhi who was a late 2nd.

On June 27, 2013, Oriakhi was selected by the Phoenix Suns in the 2013 NBA draft with the 57th overall pick

But if his value signed and more developed is now a 18th-20 something first, so what. We have plenty of time to add younger players using first down the road. We have Beal and Otto as young players right now and you can always add young players from DL for no picks. Khem is still sitting there and there are and will be others.

Makes sense for both teams.

And we get the benefit of being younger after Miller is off the book now instead of waiting until the off season to realize that.

IT 26. Miller 38

Team won't look old after that trade. Just PP and Rasual left and Rasual doesn't play his age. He still gets up and down the floor and will even nasty dunk from time to time.

2015 Cap - tax level is projected to be $77.0 million.

We would be around 73M

And with the added 3 ball shooting finally from the back up PG, Webster would rack up enough CD-DNPs this year that he would never reach the 180 games required to make his final year payable. He might see the court 4 more games out of 28 remaining this year. Once that happens, he could play all 82 next year and not reach 180

With that said, clearly they could play him more if they wanted because he isn't playing 82 games next year. You could have another 4 games to that without blinking. So 8 out of 28 you could play him if needed. But the advantage of only playing him 4 means that is put to rest this year so it not hanging out there anymore. Its a little uncomfortable for him I'm sure and for the coach while its still hanging out there. This could put that to rest.

[payitforward]

Of course it would be terrific to have IT here -- he's a young, talented player. His contract is affordable and, because it's descending, it becomes more and more valuable as a trade asset as it goes along. But, I believe Phoenix wants to trade him because they have too many guards. I doubt they'd view Miller as a good get-back in such a deal.

We are very low on tradable assets -- a result of wasting draft picks and signing end-of-career FAs.

[hands11]

We have plenty to offer. And I laid it out. Its more then just Miller.

Lets not get off track here by misrepresenting trade options just because someone wants to grind their EG axe.

Taking one piece from a trade package and saying that's the trade package isn't entering into a legit debate.

[closg00]

Of course it would be terrific to have IT here -- he's a young, talented player. His contract is affordable and, because it's descending, it becomes more and more valuable as a trade asset as it goes along. But, I believe Phoenix wants to trade him because they have too many guards. I doubt they'd view Miller as a good get-back in such a deal.

We are very low on tradable assets -- a result of wasting draft picks and signing end-of-career FAs.

2011 - Vesely, Singleton, Mack = Andre Miller
2012 - Beal, Sato - Sato overseas while a slew of players after him are contributors for their teams
2013 - Porter, Rice - This 2nd round draft class does not appear to be as strong as the previous year
2014 - Picks sold/traded - Jordan Clarkson or Alec Brown are going to be asset/contributors http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ext-Season