Otto Porter Part 2

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It pains me to say it, but PIF has been right about Otto all along, and us who thought he was a bust initially have been wrong. Pay that dude his money.

me too, me too, me too

oh, and fishercob too

See, this is the difference between you two meanies & a nice person such as myself.

It doesn't pain me at all to say that you are right (...that I've been right all along). I'm generous that way.

Been right about a whole bunch of other stuff too. & planning to keep on being right!

[TGW]

I'm almost wondering if it would be better to let Otto walk, and go after Crowder at about 1/7th the price. Crowder is making 6.7MM for the next three years.

I like Otto, but he's a WYSIWYG type of player to me. Unless he improves his handles dramatically, he'll always be a low usage, efficient guy. Under normal circumstances I would keep him, but I think 100MM for him is a joke.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm almost wondering if it would be better to let Otto walk, and go after Crowder at about 1/7th the price. Crowder is making 6.7MM for the next three years.

I like Otto, but he's a WYSIWYG type of player to me. Unless he improves his handles dramatically, he'll always be a low usage, efficient guy. Under normal circumstances I would keep him, but I think 100MM for him is a joke.

I'm not a capologist but I had the same thought myself.

The reason for letting Otto go has to do with a John Wall's comments when he wanted to pursue Paul George.

Otto is IMO good and worthy of receiving a max contract. (Broom and Becker wrote the same in Bullets Forever as to why it is so.). However, I think John Wall would rather go another way. I believe John feels very similarly to you, TGW about Otto's ability. WYSIWYG. I think it's best for Otto to go to a different team.

TRUST WALL.

A part of me wants to see the Wizards fall on their ass. (Then again, maybe Kelly oubre at small forward might turn into something special... That is if Brooks would actually play him at a Crowder which he wouldn't).

They can be mediocre with Crowder--they don't need to max out Otto. ERNIE GRUNFELD HAS MADE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MEDIOCRE NO MATTER WHAT.

I wouldn't mind saying them with Crowder at small forward struggle to make the seventh or eighth seed. I love to see Otto explode as a member of the Brooklyn Nets.

Maybe that would be enough to get Ernie fired.

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I see no reason to use Crowder or his contract as a way to ding Otto or his contract.

That said, Jae Crowder is an outstanding player -- at his current salary he's a tremendous bargain. I'd love to have him on our team. I'd love to have drafted him instead of Satoransky.

Does anyone think the Celtics would trade Crowder for Satoransky? Nah, I didn't think so.

Crowder is 3 years older than Otto, btw.

[MrDollarBills]

Hey guys Nets fan here...I think Porter would light it up in our offense (we get a ton of 3pt looks, we just need guys that can hit the shots, like Otto). I see a lot of favorable opinions about him How is his defense?

Also, do you think your team's front office matches the offer? I notice some talk about John Wall wanting to go in another direction?

By the way, you guys bailed us out big time with that Bojan trade. we're trying to rebuild with next to nothing. Hopefully Chris McCullough develops for you guys.

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Btw, the Celtics haven't traded Jae Crowder yet. I wouldn't be so sure that they will. E.g. the Knicks are said to be interested in Marcus Smart.

[Kanyewest]

Hey guys Nets fan here...I think Porter would light it up in our offense (we get a ton of 3pt looks, we just need guys that can hit the shots, like Otto). I see a lot of favorable opinions about him How is his defense?

Also, do you think your team's front office matches the offer? I notice some talk about John Wall wanting to go in another direction?

By the way, you guys bailed us out big time with that Bojan trade. we're trying to rebuild with next to nothing. Hopefully Chris McCullough develops for you guys.

I would say Porter is an above average defender especially in a team concept with some flaws such as his lateral movement aren't great and can get taken advantage at times by bigger and stronger 3s and 4s.

It sounded like Wall would be only willing to part with Porter for an all-star caliber player like Paul George, although Porter probably fits in a team concept. It is likely that Washington will match the offer.

Yeah, the Bojan trade isn't looking too great right now. Although it may have made it easier for Washington to match Porter's contract. Overall, Washington spent way too much money on bigs last offseason (Ian Mahinimi, Jason Smith and Andrew Nicholson). I'm not sure what Ernie was thinking especially given Porter's impending free agency.

[FAH1223]

I think Sato is toast. From what I've seen from Frazier its going to be tough beating him out. And unlike others I don't think Sato has a prayer at any position but the 1.

Sato is going to play on the wing... which is fine, we need more ball handlers to play

Just need him to shoot thousands of 3s everyday and to develop some moves..

[benb331]

Hey guys Nets fan here...I think Porter would light it up in our offense (we get a ton of 3pt looks, we just need guys that can hit the shots, like Otto). I see a lot of favorable opinions about him How is his defense?

Also, do you think your team's front office matches the offer? I notice some talk about John Wall wanting to go in another direction?

By the way, you guys bailed us out big time with that Bojan trade. we're trying to rebuild with next to nothing. Hopefully Chris McCullough develops for you guys.

I would say Porter is an above average defender especially in a team concept with some flaws such as his lateral movement aren't great and can get taken advantage at times by bigger and stronger 3s and 4s.

It sounded like Wall would be only willing to part with Porter for an all-star caliber player like Paul George, although Porter probably fits in a team concept. It is likely that Washington will match the offer.

Yeah, the Bojan trade isn't looking too great right now. Although it may have made it easier for Washington to match Porter's contract. Overall, Washington spent way too much money on bigs last offseason (Ian Mahinimi, Jason Smith and Andrew Nicholson). I'm not sure what Ernie was thinking especially given Porter's impending free agency.

I know what EG was thinking: "Save mah Job!! One year at a time."

[Dark Faze]

I think Sato is toast. From what I've seen from Frazier its going to be tough beating him out. And unlike others I don't think Sato has a prayer at any position but the 1.

Sato is going to play on the wing... which is fine, we need more ball handlers to play

Just need him to shoot thousands of 3s everyday and to develop some moves..

He has no skills to play on the wing. The entire promise of Sato was being a big PG that could defend well and create. Taking that away and have him be some kind of limited slasher with bad shooting at the 2/3...it's not going to happen. He'll be gone if it comes to that.

[MrDollarBills]

Hey guys Nets fan here...I think Porter would light it up in our offense (we get a ton of 3pt looks, we just need guys that can hit the shots, like Otto). I see a lot of favorable opinions about him How is his defense?

Also, do you think your team's front office matches the offer? I notice some talk about John Wall wanting to go in another direction?

By the way, you guys bailed us out big time with that Bojan trade. we're trying to rebuild with next to nothing. Hopefully Chris McCullough develops for you guys.

I would say Porter is an above average defender especially in a team concept with some flaws such as his lateral movement aren't great and can get taken advantage at times by bigger and stronger 3s and 4s.

It sounded like Wall would be only willing to part with Porter for an all-star caliber player like Paul George, although Porter probably fits in a team concept. It is likely that Washington will match the offer.

Yeah, the Bojan trade isn't looking too great right now. Although it may have made it easier for Washington to match Porter's contract. Overall, Washington spent way too much money on bigs last offseason (Ian Mahinimi, Jason Smith and Andrew Nicholson). I'm not sure what Ernie was thinking especially given Porter's impending free agency.

Thanks...well, whatever happens good luck to you guys.

[tontoz]

What could we possibly trade that would land Crowder?

Of course we could have drafted him, in the second round, or signed him as a free agent. We would have needed a GM with a clue to do that though.

[DCZards]

Hey guys Nets fan here...I think Porter would light it up in our offense (we get a ton of 3pt looks, we just need guys that can hit the shots, like Otto). I see a lot of favorable opinions about him How is his defense?

Also, do you think your team's front office matches the offer? I notice some talk about John Wall wanting to go in another direction?

By the way, you guys bailed us out big time with that Bojan trade. we're trying to rebuild with next to nothing. Hopefully Chris McCullough develops for you guys.

This idea of "Wall wanting to go in another direction" is being overblown. Yes, Wall wanted Paul George, but it was not as much a knock on Otto as it was Wall's desire to add PG, an all-star who most consider a better all-around player than Porter.

I think Wall--as well as his teammates--would be disappointed if the Zards don't match the Nets offer for OP. Porter plays smart, winning basket, and he's only 23 so he's bound to get better.

[Dat2U]

I see no reason to use Crowder or his contract as a way to ding Otto or his contract.

That said, Jae Crowder is an outstanding player -- at his current salary he's a tremendous bargain. I'd love to have him on our team. I'd love to have drafted him instead of Satoransky.

Does anyone think the Celtics would trade Crowder for Satoransky? Nah, I didn't think so.

Crowder is 3 years older than Otto, btw.

I would include a 1st round pick if it got us Crowder.

I'm not sure what the Celtics would be looking for other than pick and/or maybe a backup big.

[NatP4]

I see no reason to use Crowder or his contract as a way to ding Otto or his contract.

That said, Jae Crowder is an outstanding player -- at his current salary he's a tremendous bargain. I'd love to have him on our team. I'd love to have drafted him instead of Satoransky.

Does anyone think the Celtics would trade Crowder for Satoransky? Nah, I didn't think so.

Crowder is 3 years older than Otto, btw.

I would include a 1st round pick if it got us Crowder.

I'm not sure what the Celtics would be looking for other than pick and/or maybe a backup big.

If Ernie could move Gortat to a 3rd team, move our 1st to Boston and acquire Crowder, we could then use the full MLE on another big and acquire a player that can defend lebron(like John wants) and another elite wing player while resigning Otto.

Best contract in the NBA

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yall nuts for wanting to rely on Mahinmi

[NatP4]

yall nuts for wanting to rely on Mahinmi

I said use full MLE on another big.

Gortat is 33. We would have Mahinmi/Smith/Morris/MLE signing.


...plus the adding an elite player thing.

[NatP4]

Hell, they could acquire a big enough TPE in a Bojan S&T to just take on crowder for a 1st round pick. It would require them to go way into the luxury tax, but it would be worth it.

[Dark Faze]

I don't see Ernie using the full MLE at this point

Looks like Crowder to Utah is nearly done anyway. That helps us a good bit in terms of next year. Doubt Jayson Tatum is a big first year contributer and the leap from Crowder to Hayward isn't massive.

[queridiculo]

There's no rush dealing Gortat.

The way I look at it we have pretty much until the trade deadline before we have to make a decision, and by then I'm sure we'll find a team making a push for the playoffs willing to part with a first rounder to add a starting caliber center on a cap friendly contract.

By then we should also have a pretty good idea of where we're at with Mahinmi.