Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Alright, I went looking for the Trevor Ariza thread, and after 15 mins of searching, I came up empty.
Back when we let Ariza walk away from us and go to Houston, we said that the price to pay for him was too high. He had just turned 28 yo, and signed a 4 year 32 mil contract. In hindsight, I think we should have kept him. Although he was high priced (at the time), he would have been great for the development of Porter, Oubre, and Beal. He would make for a great bench player in this, his last year of the contract. What are the thoughts now about if we should have kept him? Any interest in bringing him back? He is a UFA in 2018.

I have two different thoughts. If we had kept him Otto Porter never would have gotten his opportunity under Randy Wittman. However, at the same time Otto Porter never would have become a max player.

If we had kept him we would have kept a very good player. Trevor Ariza is a big part of why Houston is doing so well.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Also, we never would have got Paul Pierce if we had kept Trevor Ariza.

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[queridiculo]

Also, we never would have got Paul Pierce if we had kept Trevor Ariza.

... and I totally would have been fine with that.

Ariza leaving the Wizards was yet another one of Grunfeld's many many failures.

[Dark Faze]

I really miss Nene sometimes

[payitforward]

Sigh... Trevor Ariza is a terrific player. But questions about should we / should we not sign this or that UFA, Trevor or someone else, are just one more example of fans overlooking simple facts.

We can't afford Trevor Ariza, or any other UFA to speak of beyond the lowest of the low priced journeymen (see under Meeks, Frazier, Scott, etc.) & really not even those kinds of guys.

Assuming we give Sheldon Mac his qualifying offer (we will: he's cheap) & Smith/Meeks pick up their player options (they will: no one will have more $ for either of them), we'll go into next season with 11 guys at a cost that exceeds the cap and is well into luxury tax territory: almost 127m.

Assuming we hold on to our R1 pick (we'd be nuts not to, which I suppose means that Ernie will p#ss it away), make that almost $129m for 12 players.

[dangermouse]

I really miss Nene sometimes

This D:

Give me Nene any day over this seasons Gortat and Mahinmi

I think he is over the hill now. But we really need to hit the reset button on our Centre rotation. Finding another Nene would be great, but I dont think one exists.

[WallToWall]

Sigh... Trevor Ariza is a terrific player. But questions about should we / should we not sign this or that UFA, Trevor or someone else, are just one more example of fans overlooking simple facts.

We can't afford Trevor Ariza, or any other UFA to speak of beyond the lowest of the low priced journeymen (see under Meeks, Frazier, Scott, etc.) & really not even those kinds of guys.

Assuming we give Sheldon Mac his qualifying offer (we will: he's cheap) & Smith/Meeks pick up their player options (they will: no one will have more $ for either of them), we'll go into next season with 11 guys at a cost that exceeds the cap and is well into luxury tax territory: almost 127m.

Assuming we hold on to our R1 pick (we'd be nuts not to, which I suppose means that Ernie will p#ss it away), make that almost $129m for 12 players.

Reality bites.

But perhaps we make some trades to get is out of this predicament (trying to stay positive).

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[gambitx777]

Sigh... Trevor Ariza is a terrific player. But questions about should we / should we not sign this or that UFA, Trevor or someone else, are just one more example of fans overlooking simple facts.

We can't afford Trevor Ariza, or any other UFA to speak of beyond the lowest of the low priced journeymen (see under Meeks, Frazier, Scott, etc.) & really not even those kinds of guys.

Assuming we give Sheldon Mac his qualifying offer (we will: he's cheap) & Smith/Meeks pick up their player options (they will: no one will have more $ for either of them), we'll go into next season with 11 guys at a cost that exceeds the cap and is well into luxury tax territory: almost 127m.

Assuming we hold on to our R1 pick (we'd be nuts not to, which I suppose means that Ernie will p#ss it away), make that almost $129m for 12 players.

Reality bites.

But perhaps we make some trades to get is out of this predicament (trying to stay positive).

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I still hard core believe that by the dead line Ian will be gone. And I think we will still have our 2018 first. Yes pif I know that's stupid but I have a feeling. EG is do for one of those rabbit out of his hat "ass" good moves that keep him his job. Which would at least alleviate some money issues for the short term. Maybe enough to toss a guy like Scot an exception to keep the team together. Piff is there anything in the salary cap that keeps us from paying part of mahinmi salary in cash to the team we trade him too and how much? I know Ted's cheep but I'm honestly just wondering.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I think I have proposed this trade before, but how do you guys feel about:
WAS trades Mahinmi, Morris + 2018 or 2019 1st rd pick to MIA for Whiteside.

IMO, this trade helps balance out the roster. Moving Otto to PF with a legit 7ft rim protector should improve this team to no end.
Or even move Scott to the starting lineup, if Oubre isn't ready to play heavy minutes.

[Dark Faze]

Mike Scott, Gortat, Markieff and our 1st miggggggggght do it, but there's no way we can eject Mahinmi in the bargain.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Mike Scott, Gortat, Markieff and our 1st miggggggggght do it, but there's no way we can eject Mahinmi in the bargain.

Throw in a 2nd and a free chicken sammich to sweeten the deal?

[NatP4]

I think I have proposed this trade before, but how do you guys feel about:
WAS trades Mahinmi, Morris + 2018 or 2019 1st rd pick to MIA for Whiteside.

IMO, this trade helps balance out the roster. Moving Otto to PF with a legit 7ft rim protector should improve this team to no end.
Or even move Scott to the starting lineup, if Oubre isn't ready to play heavy minutes.

I love it. Though, Miami is essentially trading Whiteside for a late 1st, surely they can get a better offer after shopping him around.

But Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Whiteside would be really good

[NatP4]

Maybe if we throw in a 2nd round pick also and give them Gortat instead of Mahinmi

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I think I have proposed this trade before, but how do you guys feel about:
WAS trades Mahinmi, Morris + 2018 or 2019 1st rd pick to MIA for Whiteside.

IMO, this trade helps balance out the roster. Moving Otto to PF with a legit 7ft rim protector should improve this team to no end.
Or even move Scott to the starting lineup, if Oubre isn't ready to play heavy minutes.

I love it. Though, Miami is essentially trading Whiteside for a late 1st, surely they can get a better offer after shopping him around.

But Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Whiteside would be really good

Maybe they see some value in Morris?

[NatP4]

I think I have proposed this trade before, but how do you guys feel about:
WAS trades Mahinmi, Morris + 2018 or 2019 1st rd pick to MIA for Whiteside.

IMO, this trade helps balance out the roster. Moving Otto to PF with a legit 7ft rim protector should improve this team to no end.
Or even move Scott to the starting lineup, if Oubre isn't ready to play heavy minutes.

I love it. Though, Miami is essentially trading Whiteside for a late 1st, surely they can get a better offer after shopping him around.

But Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Whiteside would be really good

Maybe they see some value in Morris?

Yeah that would be the only way, plus apparently Spoelstra really doesn’t like the guy. I see all this talk about his laziness on defense at mental lapses. But he’s 1st in defensive RPM for centers by a lot, so I don’t really care. We could use that.

The guy is averaging 11 rebounds in 25 minutes, we could use that

[NatP4]

I like Danny’s idea a lot. Alternatively I still think we should look into dumping Mahinmi on the Mavs and bringing back Nerlens Noel with our 1st round pick

[payitforward]

I think I have proposed this trade before, but how do you guys feel about:
WAS trades Mahinmi, Morris + 2018 or 2019 1st rd pick to MIA for Whiteside.

IMO, this trade helps balance out the roster. Moving Otto to PF with a legit 7ft rim protector should improve this team to no end.
Or even move Scott to the starting lineup, if Oubre isn't ready to play heavy minutes.

I love it. Though, Miami is essentially trading Whiteside for a late 1st, surely they can get a better offer after shopping him around.

But Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Whiteside would be really good

Good God! Will nobody ever get it? Is it all that hard to deal with reality?

Making this trade would mean we'd pay $9m in tax penalties this year. It would also mean that we would have even more trouble fielding a team next year b/c of our salary situation: we'd have 10 guys at $126m going into next season.

Then, in 2019-20 we'd be at $120m for 4 players! How can any of you waste your time on stuff like this?

[NatP4]

I think I have proposed this trade before, but how do you guys feel about:
WAS trades Mahinmi, Morris + 2018 or 2019 1st rd pick to MIA for Whiteside.

IMO, this trade helps balance out the roster. Moving Otto to PF with a legit 7ft rim protector should improve this team to no end.
Or even move Scott to the starting lineup, if Oubre isn't ready to play heavy minutes.

I love it. Though, Miami is essentially trading Whiteside for a late 1st, surely they can get a better offer after shopping him around.

But Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Whiteside would be really good

Good God! Will nobody ever get it? Is it all that hard to deal with reality?

Making this trade would mean we'd pay $9m in tax penalties this year. It would also mean that we would have even more trouble fielding a team next year b/c of our salary situation: we'd have 10 guys at $126m going into next season.

Then, in 2019-20 we'd be at $120m for 4 players! How can any of you waste your time on stuff like this?

PIF, no one on this board cares about Ted having to pay the luxury tax. We are going to be paying Wall 42 million at his 30+ years, nothing is going to look good.

[NatP4]

Bulls have made Jerian Grant available. There is a negative chance that the wizards even consider making that type of outside the box move and even give him minutes afterwards, but Frazier and a 2nd would be a brilliant trade, even with his shooting numbers somewhat down.

Grant and Satoransky would make an excellent versatile bench backcourt. Grant was 18th in RPM for PGs last season and 25th currently. He could be had for basically nothing.

[nate33]

Alright, I went looking for the Trevor Ariza thread, and after 15 mins of searching, I came up empty.
Back when we let Ariza walk away from us and go to Houston, we said that the price to pay for him was too high. He had just turned 28 yo, and signed a 4 year 32 mil contract. In hindsight, I think we should have kept him. Although he was high priced (at the time), he would have been great for the development of Porter, Oubre, and Beal. He would make for a great bench player in this, his last year of the contract. What are the thoughts now about if we should have kept him? Any interest in bringing him back? He is a UFA in 2018.

If memory serves, we offered at least that much money to retain Ariza, but he was willing to take less money to play in Houston. First of all, he recognized that Otto Porter was a major talent and didn't want to have to compete for minutes, secondly, Houston has no income tax, and finally, I guess he didn't really love it here and thought there was a real chance to win a championship in Houston.

If we could have retained Ariza, it would have reshaped the history of the franchise a bit. We wouldn't have signed Pierce and Blair that summer and instead retained Ariza. In that draft, we might have taken Portis instead of trading two 2nd round picks to move up for Oubre. With Portis showing an almost immediate impact, we may not have traded our 2016 pick for Morris. So by Summer 2016, we'd have had a lineup of Wall, Beal, Porter, Ariza, Portis and Gortat, plus our 2015 2nd round pick, a 2016 pick on the way, and a couple more 2nd rounders. Would that better, younger, foundation have been enough to attract Horford? If so, we wouldn't have taken Mahinmi and needed a pick to dump him so we'd have our 2017 pick on the roster too. Our lineup might look like this:

PG Wall/2017 pick
SG Beal/2016 pick
SF Porter/Ariza
PF Horford/Portis
C Gortat/Horford