Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[nate33]

A trade for Wall is as risky as you can get, given his injury and monstrosity of a contract.

Out of curiosity what kind of trade offers, if any, have you all heard for Wall?

One of our resident "insiders" who did analytical work for the Wizards reported that before Wall was injured, the Lakers offered Lonzo and filler for Wall, and the Wizards (stupidly) turned it down.

By the way, Beal is not getting traded. At least not this summer. The GM loves Beal, we don't have a GM to force a trade of that magnitude, and Beal hasn't requested a trade. And the GM thinks the Wizards can compete for an 8th seed, which would satisfy him for the short term. So even though it may be in their best interests to explore a Beal trade, I think for emotional reasons more than anything, Beal ain't going nowhere.

Now maybe by the 2020 trade deadline, that line of thinking might change if they're out of playoff contention.

Agree with all of this.

Beal is almost certainly not on the trade block right now. Yeah, if someone comes in with a godfather offer, Beal is conceivably available, but the Wizards are not actively seeking to trade him and are totally fine with keeping a 25-year-old All-NBA caliber player with great attitude. Beal absolutely won't be traded for the hodgepodge of mediocre picks that most contending teams could manage to scrape together.

The only chance that Beal gets traded for something less than fair value would be at the Trade Deadline this season or next summer assuming that Beal has signaled that he will consider departing as a free agent in 2021.

[Ruzious]

If the Wiz are offered Davis for Beal, I do that trade so fast it'll make your head spin - as Ken Beatrice would have said. "Make that trade every day and twice on Sundays."

[pcbothwel]

If the Wiz are offered Davis for Beal, I do that trade so fast it'll make your head spin - as Ken Beatrice would have said. "Make that trade every day and twice on Sundays."

Ummm...why? This isnt where he wants to play geographically and we're not good enough to convince him otherwise.
Keep Beal... play out the season, re-evaluate next summer if he'll resign. Sure, he'll have one less year of control, but this year is is the 5th best player available (KD, AD, Kawhi, Butler)...
But Beal is the best player available next year (Assuming AD is dealt and resigned).
Next year includes Whiteside, Gasol, Barnes, Lowry, Ibaka, and a 30 y/o Draymond Green

Awful... Beal is FAR AND AWAY the cream of the crop.

[Ruzious]

If the Wiz are offered Davis for Beal, I do that trade so fast it'll make your head spin - as Ken Beatrice would have said. "Make that trade every day and twice on Sundays."

Ummm...why? This isnt where he wants to play geographically and we're not good enough to convince him otherwise.
Keep Beal... play out the season, re-evaluate next summer if he'll resign. Sure, he'll have one less year of control, but this year is is the 5th best player available (KD, AD, Kawhi, Butler)...
But Beal is the best player available next year (Assuming AD is dealt and resigned).
Next year includes Whiteside, Gasol, Barnes, Lowry, Ibaka, and a 30 y/o Draymond Green

Awful... Beal is FAR AND AWAY the cream of the crop.

I've gone over this several times in several different ways over the last few months. But firstly, being in the nation's capital - if you can't convince people to come here, you're never going to be a winner no matter where you are. Look at Toronto and Milwaukee (not prime locations to be kind) - the only franchises built to win in the future in the East - with the possible exception of Philly - and we don't even know if Leonard's staying. They're both built around one GREAT player. Milwaukee has other good players, but they are all re-treads with the possible exception of the overrated Middleton. The Bucks were not good until this season, and they didn't make any big dollar acquisitions last offseason. Get Davis, and who knows how good Bryant becomes - he's already on the verge of being an excellent player. It's really not that hard to build a roster in the East when you have a truly great player - which Davis is. To me... I think Washington would have to be legally insane not to trade Beal for Davis - if that's available. You gotta take a chance on greatness when it's given to you. You're talking about guys like Whiteside, a very old Gasol, Ibaka, Barnes... no.

[DCZards]

If the Wiz are offered Davis for Beal, I do that trade so fast it'll make your head spin - as Ken Beatrice would have said. "Make that trade every day and twice on Sundays."

I'd trade Beal for Davis as well. AD is one of the top 5-6 players in the NBA. But I'd want assurances that Davis would resign with the Zards. I wouldn't trade Beal for a one-year rental of Davis.

[Dat2U]

If the Wiz are offered Davis for Beal, I do that trade so fast it'll make your head spin - as Ken Beatrice would have said. "Make that trade every day and twice on Sundays."

I'd trade Beal for Davis as well. AD is one of the top 5-6 players in the NBA. But I'd want assurances that Davis would resign with the Zards. I wouldn't trade Beal for a one-year rental of Davis.

I doubt he would provide any assurance. He seems intent on the Lakers unlike Paul George or Kawhi who didn't have an agent specifically trying to guide his client to LA to play with a fellow client.

Could you build a winner in the short term with Wall, Mahinmi & Howard eating up $60 mil and convince AD to stay? With just AD & Troy Brown Jr playable to begin next season? You keep Sato & Bryant, that's 4 playable. Who's the 2nd option? Bryant?

Maybe, if you got Jrue in the deal as well it makes sense b/c you'd have two all-stars to work with.

What if the deal was AD & Jrue for Beal, 9th pick, Mahinmi & Howard?

C Thomas Bryant
F Anthony Davis
F Troy Brown Jr.
G Jrue Holiday ... Jordan McRae
G Tomas Satoransky ... John Wall

You'd have 4-5 rotation spots to fill with the MLE, BAE & multiple trade exceptions.

[DCZards]

I doubt he would provide any assurance. He seems intent on the Lakers unlike Paul George or Kawhi who didn't have an agent specifically trying to guide his client to LA to play with a fellow client.

Could you build a winner in the short term with Wall, Mahinmi & Howard eating up $60 mil and convince AD to stay? With just AD & Troy Brown Jr playable to begin next season? You keep Sato & Bryant, that's 4 playable. Who's the 2nd option? Bryant?

Maybe, if you got Jrue in the deal as well it makes sense b/c you'd have two all-stars to work with.

What if the deal was AD & Jrue for Beal, 9th pick, Mahinmi & Howard?

C Thomas Bryant
F Anthony Davis
F Troy Brown Jr.
G Jrue Holiday ... Jordan McRae
G Tomas Satoransky ... John Wall

You'd have 4-5 rotation spots to fill with the MLE, BAE & multiple trade exceptions.

Yeah...I don't see Davis joining a Zards team where the second best player is Bryant, Sato or Brown. AD wants to win and that team would by lucky to win 35 games. He'd be leaving a NO team with Holiday, Randle and Zion...for a mediocre Zards team.

Maybe NO trades Holiday for the 9th pick but I doubt it. Jrue is a damn good two-way player.

[trast66]

If the Wiz are offered Davis for Beal, I do that trade so fast it'll make your head spin - as Ken Beatrice would have said. "Make that trade every day and twice on Sundays."

I simply don’t have the resources to scout high school sports.

[gambitx777]

The Lakers are in no way shape or form trading for wall while they have James.

Lakers fan here. I know there’s been a lot of interest in Beal from Laker fanatics and those alike. So indulge me for a moment on that talking point before I get to a trade possibility that may have not received much attention, if any.

From a Laker fan perspective I’ll say it’s highly unlikely we would trade a package of this year’s #4 and a future unprotected first rounder, with Lonzo, Ingram or Kuzma, and Hart. That’s an AD type exchange, and one I personally would avoid. I’m more inclined to swap if we able to keep Zo out of the mix.

If the Lakers were to trade for Wall and his debilitating contract - no Beal in the deal, what other assets would you be willing to throw in? I would say the Lakers need to throw in Ingram and a cast of salary fillers to make it cost effective this season. I would say no to us trading our #4 and we would need to take back your #9.

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[Rafael122]

The Lakers are in no way shape or form trading for wall while they have James.

Lakers fan here. I know there’s been a lot of interest in Beal from Laker fanatics and those alike. So indulge me for a moment on that talking point before I get to a trade possibility that may have not received much attention, if any.

From a Laker fan perspective I’ll say it’s highly unlikely we would trade a package of this year’s #4 and a future unprotected first rounder, with Lonzo, Ingram or Kuzma, and Hart. That’s an AD type exchange, and one I personally would avoid. I’m more inclined to swap if we able to keep Zo out of the mix.

If the Lakers were to trade for Wall and his debilitating contract - no Beal in the deal, what other assets would you be willing to throw in? I would say the Lakers need to throw in Ingram and a cast of salary fillers to make it cost effective this season. I would say no to us trading our #4 and we would need to take back your #9.

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Eh, I disagree with that poster. The trade package is contingent on AD going elsewhere. AD appears to be the only person willing to play with James. Whether that's agent motivated or AD really wanting to play with him, who knows.

[tv24lakers]

Eh, I disagree with that poster. The trade package is contingent on AD going elsewhere. AD appears to be the only person willing to play with James. Whether that's agent motivated or AD really wanting to play with him, who knows.

I'm not following. What is contingent on AD going elsewhere?

[tv24lakers]

The Lakers are in no way shape or form trading for wall while they have James.

If you're point is to say that a Wall and James pairing is illogical, than I wholeheartedly agree. The interest with Wall is to facilitate essentially a three team trade.

[tv24lakers]

Indulge me for a moment; I recognize that the following trade scenario errs on the side of absurdity, but I would appreciate your thoughts none the less.

Stemming from these beliefs.
• Lakers have a win-now mindset.
• Wizards would cherish the opportunity to unload John Wall, given his physical and prolonged carrying cost
• Rockets are looking to shed deep salaries to begin the re-building process.

Wizards
Trade: John Wall ($38m), Bobby Portis, along with two future first round draft picks (Ranking stipulations, such as top 3 protected, open to negotiation)
Receive: Lonzo Ball ($8m), and low stake salary fillers
Benefit(s): Wizards unload Wall’s hefty contract for a promising young PG to pair with Bradley Beal

Houston
Trade: Chris Paul ($38m), Clint Capela ($17m), Eric Gordan ($14m)
Receive: Wall, Ingram, the Wizards picks
Benefit(s): Rockets unload Paul and Capela extended salaries in return for Wall, Ingram and draft picks

Lakers
Trade: Ball, Ingram
Receive: Chris Paul, Clint Capela, Eric Gordan, and Bobby Portis
Benefit(s): Lakers while resigning on young talent has effectively assembled a well-rounded team to contend in the West.

[nate33]

Indulge me for a moment; I recognize that the following trade scenario errs on the side of absurdity, but I would appreciate your thoughts none the less.

Stemming from these beliefs.
• Lakers have a win-now mindset.
• Wizards would cherish the opportunity to unload John Wall, given his physical and prolonged carrying cost
• Rockets are looking to shed deep salaries to begin the re-building process.

Wizards
Trade: John Wall ($38m), Bobby Portis, along with two future first round draft picks (Ranking stipulations, such as top 3 protected, open to negotiation)
Receive: Lonzo Ball ($8m), and low stake salary fillers
Benefit(s): Wizards unload Wall’s hefty contract for a promising young PG to pair with Bradley Beal

Houston
Trade: Chris Paul ($38m), Clint Capela ($17m), Eric Gordan ($14m)
Receive: Wall, Ingram, the Wizards picks
Benefit(s): Rockets unload Paul and Capela extended salaries in return for Wall, Ingram and draft picks

Lakers
Trade: Ball, Ingram
Receive: Chris Paul, Clint Capela, Eric Gordan, and Bobby Portis
Benefit(s): Lakers while resigning on young talent has effectively assembled a well-rounded team to contend in the West.

It's way too good for LA and really bad for Houston (Eric Gordan is really good and amazingly cheap). For the Wizards, the cost of dumping Wall's contract seems about right, but I don't think the Wizards would pay such a price now. Better to wait a year, get Wall healthy and playing (and his contract a year shorter) and then see if he can be traded at a lower cost later.

[pcbothwel]

Indulge me for a moment; I recognize that the following trade scenario errs on the side of absurdity, but I would appreciate your thoughts none the less.

Stemming from these beliefs.
• Lakers have a win-now mindset.
• Wizards would cherish the opportunity to unload John Wall, given his physical and prolonged carrying cost
• Rockets are looking to shed deep salaries to begin the re-building process.

Wizards
Trade: John Wall ($38m), Bobby Portis, along with two future first round draft picks (Ranking stipulations, such as top 3 protected, open to negotiation)
Receive: Lonzo Ball ($8m), and low stake salary fillers
Benefit(s): Wizards unload Wall’s hefty contract for a promising young PG to pair with Bradley Beal

Houston
Trade: Chris Paul ($38m), Clint Capela ($17m), Eric Gordan ($14m)
Receive: Wall, Ingram, the Wizards picks
Benefit(s): Rockets unload Paul and Capela extended salaries in return for Wall, Ingram and draft picks

Lakers
Trade: Ball, Ingram
Receive: Chris Paul, Clint Capela, Eric Gordan, and Bobby Portis
Benefit(s): Lakers while resigning on young talent has effectively assembled a well-rounded team to contend in the West.

A number of issues:
1) LAL takes on too much money. They can take on Capela or Gordan, but not both...and certainly not Portis too.

2) Houston is stealing value. Wall + Protected future 1st = CP3 (Though I wouldnt do it), but you cant believe that Capela & Gordon at 30M+ gets them Ingram, a mid 1st, and cap relief.

3) Wiz are in NO position to give away future picks, let alone the 2nd one that would be in 2022 when HS players are in the draft.

Again, Walls value increases every week/month that goes by with him not having set backs and looking trim along with the eventual overpays about to occur in FA. In 12 months, Wall will healthy (Obviously no guarantee)and under 30, and there will be a 2nd summer of immense cap space available around the league with a FA class headlined by Barnes, Whiteside, a 30 y/o Draymond, and a 34 y/o Lowry....
AWFUL...

Teams almost never pay to dump salary unless they are in Lux Tax hell or they have legit FA aspirations...Wiz are in neither camp.

[tv24lakers]

Outwardly the trade may be the least appealing for the Rockets. I suspect the Rockets may struggle finding a suitor for CP3 given his age and extended contract, which would have to be packaged with another asset. Conceivably Capela and Gordon could fetch something nice in return, but then you’re losing out on CP3. I would argue Ingram is a good player and the Wizard draft picks are a nice consolation price.

[pcbothwel]

It's way too good for LA and really bad for Houston (Eric Gordan is really good and amazingly cheap). For the Wizards, the cost of dumping Wall's contract seems about right, but I don't think the Wizards would pay such a price now. Better to wait a year, get Wall healthy and playing (and his contract a year shorter) and then see if he can be traded at a lower cost later.

HUH?!?... Gordon has had his moments, but lets be clear. He is turning 31 and provides nothing at this point outside of decent, but streaky shooting. He is a below average defender that doesnt create/pass or rebound. Reminds of Kevin Martin who fell of a cliff after 30. by comparison, Tyreke Evans had a FAR better year in 17/18 at 28 y/o, and still only got a 1/12M contract from the Pacers. Gordon is not getting near what he makes now next year in FA.

I love Capela's work ethic, but how hard is it to play rim runner with James Harden and CP3 tossing you easy lobs all day. Unless you are an ALL NBA talent at the 5 spot (Jokic, Gobert, Towns, Embiid), you simply arent worth near 20M in this league. I dont see much separating him from WCS and even Thomas Bryant to a lesser degree.

[nate33]

2) Houston is stealing value. Wall + Protected future 1st = CP3 (Though I wouldnt do it), but you cant believe that Capela & Gordon at 30M+ gets them Ingram, a mid 1st, and cap relief.

Interesting. I disagree very much here.

Capela and Gordon at $30M is much better than Ingram (blood clot plus impending new contract in a year) and a mid first. Gordon is an awesome player, a top 8 SG and an underrated defender. And Capela is also very good, though maybe more of an 82-game player and not a playoff guy.

[Rafael122]

Eh, I disagree with that poster. The trade package is contingent on AD going elsewhere. AD appears to be the only person willing to play with James. Whether that's agent motivated or AD really wanting to play with him, who knows.

I'm not following. What is contingent on AD going elsewhere?

I could be mistaken but you said the package outlined above for Beal is too much, b/c it's a package reserved for someone like AD. But if the Lakers strike out on AD, then I think it makes more sense.

[tv24lakers]

A number of issues:
1) LAL takes on too much money. They can take on Capela or Gordan, but not both...and certainly not Portis too.

2) Houston is stealing value. Wall + Protected future 1st = CP3 (Though I wouldnt do it), but you cant believe that Capela & Gordon at 30M+ gets them Ingram, a mid 1st, and cap relief.

3) Wiz are in NO position to give away future picks, let alone the 2nd one that would be in 2022 when HS players are in the draft.

Again, Walls value increases every week/month that goes by with him not having set backs and looking trim along with the eventual overpays about to occur in FA. In 12 months, Wall will healthy (Obviously no guarantee)and under 30, and there will be a 2nd summer of immense cap space available around the league with a FA class headlined by Barnes, Whiteside, a 30 y/o Draymond, and a 34 y/o Lowry....
AWFUL...

Teams almost never pay to dump salary unless they are in Lux Tax hell or they have legit FA aspirations...Wiz are in neither camp.

1) $69m is the roll-up for the 3 Rockets, combined with Lebron and the Deng hit the Lakers are at $112 w/ the dynamic four-some, which is $3m over the cap. Admittedly, I'm naïve on the NBA salary cap terms and exceptions. Should this trade prove to be non-compliant, like you said it would have to be between Gordan or Capela. While Capela is certainly very talented, I think Gordan provides more flexibility whether in the trade market or relief for future signings.

2/3) I would argue Wall's value is inflated given his injury and the horrendous contract.