Deni Avdija

[AFM]

Yes we know, you've reminded us many times, including right now, in a Deni Advija thread.

[payitforward]

Yes we know, you've reminded us many times, including right now, in a Deni Advija thread.

You're right. My post was off topic.
I'm going to hide my error by changing the subject.

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Dxmn! I can't think of anything to change the subject to!
This is your fault....

Oh yeah, I know.... no that won't work.
Tell you what -- you think of something, ok?

[Dolevi]

WUJ probably dreamt of coming home to coach the Wizards but in reality it may be a career damaging decision for him. I think he was qualified but I get the sense not every decision is his and frankly he's stuck with a bad and leaderless roster the best coaches would likely fail with.

Yes.

[Dolevi]

Deni actually had a nice game last night. Good assists / TO ratio. Defense as always, and also offense. Loved that full court pass by Beal to him for the dunk. Even made a couple of 3's which is encouraging after a bad weeks of shooting. Hurt the Tank.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Agree that Deni isn't a point guard given his handle, but I think his height does a lot to mitigate some of that. I'd be fine with him to be given the freedom that Kuzma has been given as long as he's not reckless like Kuzma.

Deni is no doubt not a true PG (and people should stop claiming he is) but he does have the potential to take on some of the ball handling roles that Kuzma often fills.

And, yes, we don't want Deni to be as reckless as Kuzma often is, but I would like to see Deni show some of the fearlessness and confidence that Kuz displays when attacking people off the dribble.

Kuz is very good at using his size and quickness to get to the rim for easy baskets.

I agree.

Deni is THE ONE PLAYER no ALONG WITH KUZMA; one of two players that could conceivably play 1-5.

Moron coach

Deni is really good but these guys don't see past the skin color of the lack of lift or the fouls BECAUSE the culture has ALWAYS been blame the player.

RIP Hamilton vs Gilbert and John Wall and Bradley Beal. Right now there are POTENTIALLY VERY GOOD PLAYERS who LUNK HEADS just do not see it yet.

IF YOU CANNOT IMAGE THE POTENTIAL OF DAN GAFFORD I double dare you to VIEW THE PAST. The games with Russ. The plays against the Lakers the other night.

WIZARDs film room study

NVM f this team

[Pistol King]

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[wco81]

How much would you pay to extend Deni off his rookie deal if his shooting doesn't improve?

For his career he's around 42/31.

A 6-9 guy should be getting some fair amount of dunks, should get his overall FG percentage between 45-50% at least, unless he's putting up far more 3s than he should be.

Being a great defender in the regular season is one thing but if he gets in the playoffs, he might get Tony Allen treatment, unable to stay on the floor.

You've had athletic wings drafted in the lottery but shot poorly and they never got a big second contract. Stanley Johnson, Josh Jackson come to mind.

Ronda Hollis Jefferson, wasn't picked in the lottery but was a good defender but also couldn't shoot.

Of course good-shooting 3 and D wings can be overpaid for their second contracts -- Wizard fans know all about that with OPJ.

[Dark Faze]

If it was up to me--3 years, 20 million with a player option on the final year of the deal.

[nate33]

If it was up to me--3 years, 20 million with a player option on the final year of the deal.

Yeah, if I knew he wouldn't improve his shooting, he isn't worth more than $6-7M a year. But given his age, I seriously doubt his next contract will be negotiated under the premise that he is forever a 31% shooter from 3. I think there will be a built-in assumption that he will improve at least marginally, to 35% or so. And a 35% 3-point shooter who is an ace defender and a heady playmaker is worth 8 figures a year.

One other thing that makes him a bit better than a Stanley Johnson or Tony Allen, is that Avdija can easily move to the PF position. Teams want their SF's to shoot 36-40% from 3, but a PF can get away with being a 33% shooter. A better comparison might be Aaron Gordon rather than Stanley Johnson. And he might even have OG Anunoby potential.

[pancakes3]

5 years 50 mil. lock it up.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

If it was up to me--3 years, 20 million with a player option on the final year of the deal.

Yeah, if I knew he wouldn't improve his shooting, he isn't worth more than $6-7M a year. But given his age, I seriously doubt his next contract will be negotiated under the premise that he is forever a 31% shooter from 3. I think there will be a built-in assumption that he will improve at least marginally, to 35% or so. And a 35% 3-point shooter who is an ace defender and a heady playmaker is worth 8 figures a year.

One other thing that makes him a bit better than a Stanley Johnson or Tony Allen, is that Avdija can easily move to the PF position. Teams want their SF's to shoot 36-40% from 3, but a PF can get away with being a 33% shooter. A better comparison might be Aaron Gordon rather than Stanley Johnson. And he might even have OG Anunoby potential.

This.

[tleikheen]

Aaron Gordon is averaging 17 pp shooting 61 percent and 39 percent from 3 pt while still slam dunking on everybody .....Avidja is far from this as a player

[nate33]

Aaron Gordon is averaging 17 pp shooting 61 percent and 39 percent from 3 pt while still slam dunking on everybody .....Avidja is far from this as a player

Jokic is inflating Godon's numbers. Avdija looks to be as useful as the Orlando version of Gordon. Similar inefficiency, but Avdija is wise enough to keep his usage rate down.

[Dat2U]

If it was up to me--3 years, 20 million with a player option on the final year of the deal.

Yeah, if I knew he wouldn't improve his shooting, he isn't worth more than $6-7M a year. But given his age, I seriously doubt his next contract will be negotiated under the premise that he is forever a 31% shooter from 3. I think there will be a built-in assumption that he will improve at least marginally, to 35% or so. And a 35% 3-point shooter who is an ace defender and a heady playmaker is worth 8 figures a year.

One other thing that makes him a bit better than a Stanley Johnson or Tony Allen, is that Avdija can easily move to the PF position. Teams want their SF's to shoot 36-40% from 3, but a PF can get away with being a 33% shooter. A better comparison might be Aaron Gordon rather than Stanley Johnson. And he might even have OG Anunoby potential.

The Tony Allen disrespect here is strong. Sorry but Tony Allen was a helluva player and a franchise culture setter. Memphis' ascension and eventually decline (before drafting Ja, JJJ, Bane) was clearly linked to Tony's presence. He didn't just defend himself, he had the whole team defending. Deni is a nice kid which is why he'll never be Tony Allen and will likely never have his impact. Tony was a pitbull on and off the court. We could desperately use a guy who wasn't the most talented but no matter what left everything on the floor and demanded it from his teammates as well.

I hope we can find that guy next year lol.

[wco81]

Not disrespect. He just was neutralized in the playoffs.

As for Deni, he should be working on nothing but his shooting in the offseason and the team needs to give him more 3PAs to see if he can improve.

He may be young but if he can't show improvement in 4-5 years in the NBA, it's unlikely he will.

[Runner300]

Again with the D&3?
He's not a D&3, and he should get signed elsewhere.
In the off-season Deni should be working on his left hand and jump shot.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

For as much a this board, and rightfully so at times (though I think some nuance is missed about the shots Deni is forced to take), dumps Deni for his shooting, he is now hitting at an 80.4% clip from the line for the season. That's third best mark on team (not counting Johnny Davis one or two attempts) after Beal and Gill. He shot 64% his rookie, so continued progress there.

Also has his three ball up to 30.3% after that real bad stretch in late November. Obviously not saying this should be the end goal, but making some steady progress of digging himself out of an early season hole.

[Dolevi]

For as much a this board, and rightfully so at times (though I think some nuance is missed about the shots Deni is forced to take), dumps Deni for his shooting, he is now hitting at an 80.4% clip from the line for the season. That's third best mark on team (not counting Johnny Davis one or two attempts) after Beal and Gill. He shot 64% his rookie, so continued progress there.

Also has his three ball up to 30.3% after that real bad stretch in late November. Obviously not saying this should be the end goal, but making some steady progress of digging himself out of an early season hole.

His FT% are up, and more importantly, I haven't checked but I'm guessing by eye test that also his FG%, especially from the paint, also went up. His clumsy lay-ups misses have been reduced. He dunks, finishing well also lay-ups. That's what I think I've seen. He's starting not-leaving points on the rim.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

For as much a this board, and rightfully so at times (though I think some nuance is missed about the shots Deni is forced to take), dumps Deni for his shooting, he is now hitting at an 80.4% clip from the line for the season. That's third best mark on team (not counting Johnny Davis one or two attempts) after Beal and Gill. He shot 64% his rookie, so continued progress there.

Also has his three ball up to 30.3% after that real bad stretch in late November. Obviously not saying this should be the end goal, but making some steady progress of digging himself out of an early season hole.

His FT% are up, and more importantly, I haven't checked but I'm guessing by eye test that also his FG%, especially from the paint, also went up. His clumsy lay-ups misses have been reduced. He dunks, finishing well also lay-ups. That's what I think I've seen.

Yes he was at around 34% from the field in the early season I believe, thereabouts at least. So for sure, his 2pt% has seen a steady increase as well.

[Dolevi]

Guys there is an article in Sport5, Israel, that the Suns wanted Deni, in exchange for Crowder, and Washington refused.
Oh it's also in ESPN.