Political Roundtable Part XXX

[I_Like_Dirt]

He was before my time, but Carlin absolutely nails it here.

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Carlin is a rare comedian who isn't before your time even if he seems that way. He was hilarious and spot on and aged extremely well. If you think he was before your time it just means you need to watch more Carlin lest history rewrite him as it has so many others.

[Zonkerbl]

lots of backlash on my twitter timeline. What do you mean "vote"? I voted for you, Biden is the president - FRICKING DO SOMETHING - ANYTHING. The GOP gets whatever it wants when it's in the minority, you control the House, Senate, and POTUS, and there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO?????

Dems need to get their ish together

I think the message should not be VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO but VOTE LOCAL EVERY YEAR. Choose your local school board, whoever runs your library and chooses whether to ban books, vote on referendums to defund the police, vote for a progressive DA. Don't vote once every four years and expect it to matter.

[Zonkerbl]

This substack article sums up the problem rather nicely

The SCOTUS as an institution is dead, the GOP killed it. There's no point in being loyal to it.

https://theap.substack.com/p/the-institutionalists-dilemma?s=r

[Zonkerbl]

Today's the anniversary of the Kent State Massacre

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[Pointgod]

lots of backlash on my twitter timeline. What do you mean "vote"? I voted for you, Biden is the president - FRICKING DO SOMETHING - ANYTHING. The GOP gets whatever it wants when it's in the minority, you control the House, Senate, and POTUS, and there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO?????

Dems need to get their ish together

I think the message should not be VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO but VOTE LOCAL EVERY YEAR. Choose your local school board, whoever runs your library and chooses whether to ban books, vote on referendums to defund the police, vote for a progressive DA. Don't vote once every four years and expect it to matter.

People really need to get off Twitter. White Evangelicals have voted for Conservative candidates in local elections, every election, for state legislatures and Governors (which are arguably the most important positions in politics) since Reagan. They’ve been singularly focused and decades later they’ve been able to realize their monstrosity of rolling women’s right back decades. All without passing a single piece of legislation at the Federal level.

Meanwhile young voters, I’m not going to say Democrats in general, don’t get everything they want in not even halfway through Biden’s Presidency and they’re ready to give up. Older Democratic voters get that it’s a long game, you have to show up and vote Democrat to eventually get what you want. Especially those who have lived through the civil rights movement.

[dobrojim]

That song still makes me emotional. I just watched the CSNY version which includes
a montage of pictures of that era. One picture shows yearbook(?) pictures of the
4 murdered students. I just noticed this bizarre coincidence that one of the murdered students was
named Alison Krauss a named shared by a multiple time grammy awarding winning singer.

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Fight fascism.

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[Zonkerbl]

People think we're the good guys. Not if you don't fight like hell to keep our fascist tendencies in check.

[Wizardspride]

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[Pointgod]

People think we're the good guys. Not if you don't fight like hell to keep our fascist tendencies in check.

I’ve watched a lot of movies and read books of good guys vs bad guys. No where in the hero’s journey does the hero give up and start bitching on Twitter after their first set back. Remember the right wing believes they’re the good guys in their own story and they never give up, even after major setbacks.

[Zonkerbl]

People think we're the good guys. Not if you don't fight like hell to keep our fascist tendencies in check.

I’ve watched a lot of movies and read books of good guys vs bad guys. No where in the hero’s journey does the hero give up and start bitching on Twitter after their first set back. Remember the right wing believes they’re the good guys in their own story and they never give up, even after major setbacks.

I just don't feel like "knuckle up, buttercup" is the kind of response people on twitter who are genuinely frustrated with the current situation need

nor is "just get ready for a 30 year fight to claw back your rights"

[Zonkerbl]

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my old a$$ thinking 1980 was 30 years ago...

[Pointgod]

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my old a$$ thinking 1980 was 30 years ago...

What the people that are against vote blue no matter who fail to grasp is that vote for whoever you want in the primary, but if your preferred candidate doesn’t win, don’t sit at home, throw your full support behind Democrats up and down the ballot. It’s a pretty simple litmus test, vote for whoever isn’t in the party that’s trying to destroy Democracy. And don’t discourage other voters by constantly **** on the one party who isn’t full of crazy people. The states are the best chance to protect rights as long as there’s a far right Supreme Court and the Republicans in the Federal government try to burn down the Federal government

[Zonkerbl]

Russians said the Moskva caught on fire spontaneously. U.S. military says it was struck w a Ukraine Neptune missile, with an assist from US intelligence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/05/05/us-intelligence-ukraine-moskva-sinking/

[Zonkerbl]

Republicans quickly recognized that progressives like AOC had the political savvy to campaign more intelligently and that political correctness is how you hold the diverse liberal coalition together, so they did everything to poison her and the idea of PCness to keep the weapons out of the hands of the Dems that would allow them to fight back.

Dems need to embrace the radical left not because the country needs leftist policies (although it does) but because they are *competent.*

[dobrojim]

People think we're the good guys. Not if you don't fight like hell to keep our fascist tendencies in check.

People ought to think and believe we are the good guys. In my lifetime, progressive/libs
have been on the right side of every major issue facing our country. Conservatives have
fought against them every time. And have been wrong about the negative implications
of the progressive policies they opposed every time.

[Ruzious]

That song still makes me emotional. I just watched the CSNY version which includes
a montage of pictures of that era. One picture shows yearbook(?) pictures of the
4 murdered students. I just noticed this bizarre coincidence that one of the murdered students was
named Alison Krauss a named shared by a multiple time grammy awarding winning singer.

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Fight fascism.

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The song of a generation. Thanks for posting it.

[pancakes3]

Russians said the Moskva caught on fire spontaneously. U.S. military says it was struck w a Ukraine Neptune missile, with an assist from US intelligence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/05/05/us-intelligence-ukraine-moskva-sinking/

So much worse that your flagship spontaneously combusts than it being destroyed by enemy fire.

[dobrojim]

One very interesting thing about modern warfare is how much cheaper it often is
to counter some profoundly expensive weapons system. This is one of the lessons
learned so tragically the hard way in Iraq with the development of IEDs. The systems
that caused the loss of the Moskva were so much cheaper than the ship they destroyed.
What's the take home message of that?

[Pointgod]

It’s worth remembering that any law needs 60 votes to pass the Senate because of the filibuster.

It takes 50 votes to eliminate the filibuster.

Right now the Democrats only have 48 votes to eliminate the filibuster, realistically probably less.

That means the need at least 2 more Senate seats, probably 3 or 4 just to be safe. This is why you shouldn’t pay attention to people on Twitter yelling that Democrats don’t do anything.

There are 5 races that are considered a toss up, 3 of them Democrats currently hold the seat. There are 3 seats that lean Republican, Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. If the Democrats win all the toss ups, hopefully you have the votes to eliminate the filibuster. Both Ohio and North Carolina, there is no incumbent so there’s a better chance of an upset. There are multiple paths to increasing the seats in the Senate and eliminating the filibuster.

Simply put everyone’s energy should be on expanding the seats in the Senate, House, and local races. More people on Twitter and social media need to be amplifying this message instead of yelling into the void.

[Zonkerbl]

It’s worth remembering that any law needs 60 votes to pass the Senate because of the filibuster.

It takes 50 votes to eliminate the filibuster.

Right now the Democrats only have 48 votes to eliminate the filibuster, realistically probably less.

That means the need at least 2 more Senate seats, probably 3 or 4 just to be safe. This is why you shouldn’t pay attention to people on Twitter yelling that Democrats don’t do anything.

There are 5 races that are considered a toss up, 3 of them Democrats currently hold the seat. There are 3 seats that lean Republican, Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. If the Democrats win all the toss ups, hopefully you have the votes to eliminate the filibuster. Both Ohio and North Carolina, there is no incumbent so there’s a better chance of an upset. There are multiple paths to increasing the seats in the Senate and eliminating the filibuster.

Simply put everyone’s energy should be on expanding the seats in the Senate, House, and local races. More people on Twitter and social media need to be amplifying this message instead of yelling into the void.

Well, up until the abortion ban bombshell I'd say you were absolutely delusional. But now that the GOP has shot themselves in the foot maybe the dems have a chance. If they can stop pointing fingers at each other for *one second*

I'm not holding my breath