Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[SUPERBALLMAN]

LOL, it's never going to happen.

That's not even a rumor, it was idle speculation by a Zach Buckley of the Bleacher Report.

Sheppard isn't Ernie, and the Wizards have advanced stats guys in the front office now so they no longer make these mistakes. The idea that a guy on 4-year/$120M contract with a .507 TS% and a 101 ORtg is worth KCP, Rui and a 1st is patently absurd.

Randle isn't even better than Kuzma.

I literally just said that's to someone. Like we have Kuz lol he's better younger and bigger than randle!

Also can we have an honest talk about something here. I was looking around the league for some teams that Beal would legit upgrade and who have the ability to make a sensible trade for him. Factoring in that he would have to want to go there. I'm having a hard time finding a better fit than the 76ers. I still have 0 desire for a flat Beal for Simmons trade but, who else is there.

The LA temas don't have the contacts/ young players or the picks to make any trade for Beal work. Boston doesn't really either unless they send smart to a 3ed team for assets going back to the wiz.
The hawks and nicks and in the same boats

Beal might wanna go to NO or Sac because of location and Texas and Florida teams temas always have an edge because of taxes and locations but all of them are either really bad right now or don't have the assets.

So of the Good teams right now that have the contacts and assets to make a move that he would be happy with. Again. The 76ers. But I'd say GS and the Cavs

GS could use greens contact and offer us something like.
Green, kumiga, moody and some sort of pick compensation, either a protected first or some seconds

The Cavs could offer us
Rubio, okuro, sexton and a bunch of picks.

But I don't know if the Cavs package is even good enough imo and do the GW even **** with team chem that much for a moderate upgrade in Beal over an injured and in deep decline green. Like yeah he still adds fire power to that team. But I don't know if they even take that swing with them winning and taking on green is meh, he's cooked imo and has one foot in retirement.


But again my point here is I'm struggling to find something even if we do decide to trade him ...



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Yup. I've looked at this over and over. The best return for a Beal trade starts with Philly and Simmons. That doesn't necessarily mean we should keep Simmons, but it's definitely a component of the trade. I've seen a hundred Beal proposals on the Trade Board, and none of them are ever as compelling as the ones that start with Beal for Simmons.

The starting point for a Beal trade should be: Who would value Beal the most at this point in time? The teams that would are championship contenders with a desperate need for a backcourt shot creator/playmaker. And in that group, the only real candidates are Philly and Denver. Denver has nothing to trade, so Philly is the best candidate. It's as simple as that. Nobody else will offer as much because no one else is desperate enough.

Yeah I'm really hoping Wizards get in on this Harden trade and make it a 3 way. Harden to Philly, Simmons to DC, Beal to Brooklyn.

I think it makes the most sense for each team as far as fit and what they're trying to accomplish. Maybe Wizards get 76ers late 1st out of it also.

[smoothSeph]

Dear God I don't want randle !

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LOL, it's never going to happen.

That's not even a rumor, it was idle speculation by a Zach Buckley of the Bleacher Report.

Sheppard isn't Ernie, and the Wizards have advanced stats guys in the front office now so they no longer make these mistakes. The idea that a guy on 4-year/$120M contract with a .507 TS% and a 101 ORtg is worth KCP, Rui and a 1st is patently absurd.

Randle isn't even better than Kuzma.

Randle is one of the most annoying players to watch play basketball. Andray Blatche levels of ball stopping. No thanks.

[GutUNC]

I literally just said that's to someone. Like we have Kuz lol he's better younger and bigger than randle!

Also can we have an honest talk about something here. I was looking around the league for some teams that Beal would legit upgrade and who have the ability to make a sensible trade for him. Factoring in that he would have to want to go there. I'm having a hard time finding a better fit than the 76ers. I still have 0 desire for a flat Beal for Simmons trade but, who else is there.

The LA temas don't have the contacts/ young players or the picks to make any trade for Beal work. Boston doesn't really either unless they send smart to a 3ed team for assets going back to the wiz.
The hawks and nicks and in the same boats

Beal might wanna go to NO or Sac because of location and Texas and Florida teams temas always have an edge because of taxes and locations but all of them are either really bad right now or don't have the assets.

So of the Good teams right now that have the contacts and assets to make a move that he would be happy with. Again. The 76ers. But I'd say GS and the Cavs

GS could use greens contact and offer us something like.
Green, kumiga, moody and some sort of pick compensation, either a protected first or some seconds

The Cavs could offer us
Rubio, okuro, sexton and a bunch of picks.

But I don't know if the Cavs package is even good enough imo and do the GW even **** with team chem that much for a moderate upgrade in Beal over an injured and in deep decline green. Like yeah he still adds fire power to that team. But I don't know if they even take that swing with them winning and taking on green is meh, he's cooked imo and has one foot in retirement.


But again my point here is I'm struggling to find something even if we do decide to trade him ...



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Yup. I've looked at this over and over. The best return for a Beal trade starts with Philly and Simmons. That doesn't necessarily mean we should keep Simmons, but it's definitely a component of the trade. I've seen a hundred Beal proposals on the Trade Board, and none of them are ever as compelling as the ones that start with Beal for Simmons.

The starting point for a Beal trade should be: Who would value Beal the most at this point in time? The teams that would are championship contenders with a desperate need for a backcourt shot creator/playmaker. And in that group, the only real candidates are Philly and Denver. Denver has nothing to trade, so Philly is the best candidate. It's as simple as that. Nobody else will offer as much because no one else is desperate enough.

Yeah I'm really hoping Wizards get in on this Harden trade and make it a 3 way. Harden to Philly, Simmons to DC, Beal to Brooklyn.

I think it makes the most sense for each team as far as fit and what they're trying to accomplish. Maybe Wizards get 76ers late 1st out of it also.

Wouldn't a defender/distributor make more sense for Brooklyn then another shoot first player?

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wash:
out- Beal
In- Simmons, Thybulle

Brooklyn:
Out: Harden
In: Beal

Sixers:
Out: Simmons, Thybulle
In: Harden

Simmons Dimwit Holliday
KCP Kispert Neto
Thybulle Deni Bertans
Kuz Rui Gill
Gafford Trez Bryant

Maybe swap in Maxey for Thybulle for better shooting/scoring

Pretty dang good lock down possibilities though:

Simmons
Thybulle
Deni
Kuz
Gafford

That lineup could get stops

[80sballboy]

So if any of these reports are true and why wouldn't they, Ted is gonna Ted

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[9 and 20]

Maybe Tommy can pull off a miracle and fleece somebody the way he took the Lakers for a ride in dumping Russ on them. Short of a miracle, I don't see how they turn the guys currently on the roster into a more competitive supporting cast. And that's leaving aside Beal's shortcomings when he's cast in the role of 'The Guy.'

[gambitx777]

LOL, it's never going to happen.

That's not even a rumor, it was idle speculation by a Zach Buckley of the Bleacher Report.

Sheppard isn't Ernie, and the Wizards have advanced stats guys in the front office now so they no longer make these mistakes. The idea that a guy on 4-year/$120M contract with a .507 TS% and a 101 ORtg is worth KCP, Rui and a 1st is patently absurd.

Randle isn't even better than Kuzma.

I literally just said that's to someone. Like we have Kuz lol he's better younger and bigger than randle!

Also can we have an honest talk about something here. I was looking around the league for some teams that Beal would legit upgrade and who have the ability to make a sensible trade for him. Factoring in that he would have to want to go there. I'm having a hard time finding a better fit than the 76ers. I still have 0 desire for a flat Beal for Simmons trade but, who else is there.

The LA temas don't have the contacts/ young players or the picks to make any trade for Beal work. Boston doesn't really either unless they send smart to a 3ed team for assets going back to the wiz.
The hawks and nicks and in the same boats

Beal might wanna go to NO or Sac because of location and Texas and Florida teams temas always have an edge because of taxes and locations but all of them are either really bad right now or don't have the assets.

So of the Good teams right now that have the contacts and assets to make a move that he would be happy with. Again. The 76ers. But I'd say GS and the Cavs

GS could use greens contact and offer us something like.
Green, kumiga, moody and some sort of pick compensation, either a protected first or some seconds

The Cavs could offer us
Rubio, okuro, sexton and a bunch of picks.

But I don't know if the Cavs package is even good enough imo and do the GW even **** with team chem that much for a moderate upgrade in Beal over an injured and in deep decline green. Like yeah he still adds fire power to that team. But I don't know if they even take that swing with them winning and taking on green is meh, he's cooked imo and has one foot in retirement.


But again my point here is I'm struggling to find something even if we do decide to trade him ...



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Yup. I've looked at this over and over. The best return for a Beal trade starts with Philly and Simmons. That doesn't necessarily mean we should keep Simmons, but it's definitely a component of the trade. I've seen a hundred Beal proposals on the Trade Board, and none of them are ever as compelling as the ones that start with Beal for Simmons.

The starting point for a Beal trade should be: Who would value Beal the most at this point in time? The teams that would are championship contenders with a desperate need for a backcourt shot creator/playmaker. And in that group, the only real candidates are Philly and Denver. Denver has nothing to trade, so Philly is the best candidate. It's as simple as that. Nobody else will offer as much because no one else is desperate enough.

Yeah I was really digging into it over my morning chick FIL a breakfast burrito. Cleveland and GS where the only other teams that you could find a trade package that didn't make you sick or actually worked. Until you bring Philly into the mix. Doing a three way or just flat out swapping Ben later for stuff opens up a lot of possibilities but if harden isn't just a pipe dream that's leaves us with very little. Options in trading Beal.


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[MagicBagley18]

What’s the earliest first rounder you guys can trade without changing the protections on it? say in a deal for like a sabonis or grant- 2028?

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What’s the earliest first rounder you guys can trade without changing the protections on it? say in a deal for like a sabonis or grant- 2028?

paging lord nate33.

[MagicBagley18]

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What’s the earliest first rounder you guys can trade without changing the protections on it? say in a deal for like a sabonis or grant- 2028?

paging lord nate33.

I think grant is gettable for you guys if that’s the route you take. U have the players plus his contract situation makes him more of a trade candidate but I’m just trying to see what picks you guys can offer and how soon

[nate33]

What’s the earliest first rounder you guys can trade without changing the protections on it? say in a deal for like a sabonis or grant- 2028?

The pick we owe Houston had protections for 2023, 2024 and 2025. The Stepien rule applies for 2026, making our first unencumbered pick in 2027.

We could probably trade our "first available" pick, meaning it would convey anywhere between 2025 and 2027.

[MagicBagley18]

What’s the earliest first rounder you guys can trade without changing the protections on it? say in a deal for like a sabonis or grant- 2028?

The pick we owe Houston had protections for 2023, 2024 and 2025. The Stepien rule applies for 2026, making our first unencumbered pick in 2027.

We could probably trade our "first available" pick, meaning it would convey anywhere between 2025 and 2027.

Gotcha. I knew the Stepien rule came to play in some way with your picks but I wasn’t aware of the protections exactly. Thanks. I think grant ends up in dc - even though I know many here don’t agree with it and I understand that line of thinking.

[Ruzious]

What’s the earliest first rounder you guys can trade without changing the protections on it? say in a deal for like a sabonis or grant- 2028?

The pick we owe Houston had protections for 2023, 2024 and 2025. The Stepien rule applies for 2026, making our first unencumbered pick in 2027.

We could probably trade our "first available" pick, meaning it would convey anywhere between 2025 and 2027.

Gotcha. I knew the Stepien rule came to play in some way with your picks but I wasn’t aware of the protections exactly. Thanks. I think grant ends up in dc - even though I know many here don’t agree with it and I understand that line of thinking.

Put it this way... It would make absolutely zero sense to give up young assets in an effort to try - probably unsuccessfully - to reach the 10th seed in order to try to reach the 8th seed.

[miller31time]

Put it this way... It would make absolutely zero sense to give up young assets in an effort to try - probably unsuccessfully - to reach the 10th seed in order to try to reach the 8th seed.

Which means that’s likely what we’re going to do.

[MagicBagley18]

The pick we owe Houston had protections for 2023, 2024 and 2025. The Stepien rule applies for 2026, making our first unencumbered pick in 2027.

We could probably trade our "first available" pick, meaning it would convey anywhere between 2025 and 2027.

Gotcha. I knew the Stepien rule came to play in some way with your picks but I wasn’t aware of the protections exactly. Thanks. I think grant ends up in dc - even though I know many here don’t agree with it and I understand that line of thinking.

Put it this way... It would make absolutely zero sense to give up young assets in an effort to try - probably unsuccessfully - to reach the 10th seed in order to try to reach the 8th seed.

I agree with you tbh. I think grants a fine player but he’s more of a last piece to get you over the hump move. When you add in the salary he’ll command and then figure beals new deal it’s a lot for just a meh ROI.

It’s a tough spot to be as a fan but you guys are a loyal bunch have to hope it works out.

[gambitx777]

I'm ready to move on man. I'm like over it. There is a different in not wanting to toss away seasons and just flat out wasting time. Look at what the grizz did. We need to do what they did. Cash in now on our vets and move on.

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[lastemp3ror]

I must say, I asked for Beal to be traded last year around this time since he was healthy and he was playing well. Most thought it was too soon or thought Beal was a cornerstone player. We lost value in Beal and lost time due to waiting. I am sure now that he becomes a free agent sooner it further narrows the scope of finding a trading partner.

Washington isn't a storied franchise (Boston, LA, Chicago, NY) or a paradise location (Miami/LA) where we can attract all-star players to build a championship team that way. We must build through the draft and make smart low/mid-tier trades. We must take the route of a San Antonio/Milwaukee etc. Let's all just come to that realization now, shall we?

Once Beal signs this max contract with the Wiz, I am done with this team for the next three years or whenever Beal goes the route of our last horrible max deals and departs the team (Arenas and Wall).

[WallToWall]

If we are just going to add another, at best, #2 option to go with Beal, then the result is a treadmill team. Been there, done that, seen that as a fan 10X over.

[Dat2U]

If the Wizards are intent on keeping Beal and it seems as if they are, it would behoove them to pivot from discussions regarding Sabonis/Grant and remedy to PG situation immediately. Abhorrent play from Dinwiddie and no real threat from the position leaves the team rudderless. Neto does not have the talent to compensate and Holiday is clearly not the answer either. Beal has shown he's an improved passer but does not necessarily posses the decision making or comfort level that comes with being a PG and he pounds the rock far too much. He needs lead guard alongside him to get the most out his game.

[payitforward]

Put it this way... It would make absolutely zero sense to give up young assets in an effort to try - probably unsuccessfully - to reach the 10th seed in order to try to reach the 8th seed.

Which means that’s likely what we’re going to do.

...so that we can be knocked out in 5, maybe even 4, games.
...if we get there, but.... we won't get there.