Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

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No kidding...!

[gambitx777]

LAL : Brogdon

Wiz get: Vincent, Christie, wood, JHS, reddish. 2 2025 seconds, 2029 top ten protected first.

The Lakers really need a starting caliber PG. So spending some capital on what could be labeona last run might happen.

Vincent, wood, JHS Reddish are replaceable off the street. So they won't miss them.

5 for 1 trades are impractical. We would first have to cut a bunch of guys (and their guaranteed contracts) to make roster room to absorb the incoming players. And I don't think the Lakers so easily part with Christie.

If we want a FRP out of the Lakers, I think we're going to have to eat Vanderbilt's contract. So it would be Brogdon and Gill for Vanderbilt, Vincent and Wood. (The Gill for Wood swap is necessary to ensure the Lakers are shaving salary in the transaction to avoid 2nd Apron problems.)

So? You cut wood and reddish. You don't want them. You work a buy out with Vincent. Johnny Davis can get cut and fill can go. Or get sent to the Lakers. This saved them a ton of money and helps their tax issues.

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[gambitx777]

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

This is one of the most unrealistic trades I've even seen on RealGM. You need to step away from the Trade Checker.

Why ? JV is having a good year and on a great contract. Pod has fallen off and looks really bad this year. They refused to pay kuminga so while people value him they can get him for free because they refused to pay him. So why give up premium assets now? I thing JV is out most valuable asset over 25. What he could do for them vs someone who's seen as an attitude issue and who's walking anyway and a depresiating young player can't be understated

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[DCZards]

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

This is one of the most unrealistic trades I've even seen on RealGM. You need to step away from the Trade Checker.

Why ? JV is having a good year and on a great contract. Pod has fallen off and looks really bad this year. They refused to pay kuminga so while people value him they can get him for free because they refused to pay him. So why give up premium assets now? I thing JV is out most valuable asset over 25. What he could do for them vs someone who's seen as an attitude issue and who's walking anyway and a depresiating young player can't be understated

Kuminga has played very well these last couple of weeks and has a ton of upside. He’s not walking away from GS for free. They are either going to resign Kuminga or trade him for a lot more than JV.

What makes you think Kuminga has “an attitude issue?”

[tontoz]

It is fitting that gambitx has someone smoking in his avatar.

Kuminga is a restricted free agent so he isn't walking anywhere unless GS wants him gone for nothing. That is about as likely as them signing me to a 10 day.

[bsilver]

If a high priority is getting another decent 1st round 2025 pick maybe we can trade JV to OKC. They need protection at center with Holmgren out.
Their own pick isn’t worth much, but they also have the Clipper pick and Miami’s lottery protected pick. It shouldn’t be hard to find 10M in salary to take back from OKC.

[nate33]

LAL : Brogdon

Wiz get: Vincent, Christie, wood, JHS, reddish. 2 2025 seconds, 2029 top ten protected first.

The Lakers really need a starting caliber PG. So spending some capital on what could be labeona last run might happen.

Vincent, wood, JHS Reddish are replaceable off the street. So they won't miss them.

5 for 1 trades are impractical. We would first have to cut a bunch of guys (and their guaranteed contracts) to make roster room to absorb the incoming players. And I don't think the Lakers so easily part with Christie.

If we want a FRP out of the Lakers, I think we're going to have to eat Vanderbilt's contract. So it would be Brogdon and Gill for Vanderbilt, Vincent and Wood. (The Gill for Wood swap is necessary to ensure the Lakers are shaving salary in the transaction to avoid 2nd Apron problems.)

So? You cut wood and reddish. You don't want them. You work a buy out with Vincent. Johnny Davis can get cut and fill can go. Or get sent to the Lakers. This saved them a ton of money and helps their tax issues.

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It doesn't work that way. You have to create the roster spots for the newly acquired players and actually add them to your team before you can then cut them.

[nate33]

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

This is one of the most unrealistic trades I've even seen on RealGM. You need to step away from the Trade Checker.

Why ? JV is having a good year and on a great contract. Pod has fallen off and looks really bad this year. They refused to pay kuminga so while people value him they can get him for free because they refused to pay him. So why give up premium assets now? I thing JV is out most valuable asset over 25. What he could do for them vs someone who's seen as an attitude issue and who's walking anyway and a depresiating young player can't be understated

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I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. Why don't you go propose the trade on the trade board and see what they say about it?

[dckingsfan]

If a high priority is getting another decent 1st round 2025 pick maybe we can trade JV to OKC. They need protection at center with Holmgren out.
Their own pick isn’t worth much, but they also have the Clipper pick and Miami’s lottery protected pick. It shouldn’t be hard to find 10M in salary to take back from OKC.

Hartenstein is playing really well since returning. That mitigates their need for a backup C. Hartenstein and Holmgren are both considerably better than JV at this point.

I could see OKC holding out to try to get a "star" with their 3 FRPs. My guess that would need to be a SG. Now, what team that is tanking has a star SG they want to trade? I thought of Phoenix and Booker - but I just don't think they would make that happen.

I could also see OKC trading their 2025 picks for future FRPs. Maybe? Or because they will return (my guess) 12 of their players, they just add two more FRPs that that group and trade one away for a future FRP.

[DCZards]

If a high priority is getting another decent 1st round 2025 pick maybe we can trade JV to OKC. They need protection at center with Holmgren out.
Their own pick isn’t worth much, but they also have the Clipper pick and Miami’s lottery protected pick. It shouldn’t be hard to find 10M in salary to take back from OKC.

Hartenstein is playing really well since returning. That mitigates their need for a backup C. Hartenstein and Holmgren are both considerably better than JV at this point.

I could see OKC holding out to try to get a "star" with their 3 FRPs. My guess that would need to be a SG. Now, what team that is tanking has a star SG they want to trade? I thought of Phoenix and Booker - but I just don't think they would make that happen.

I could also see OKC trading their 2025 picks for future FRPs. Maybe? Or because they will return (my guess) 12 of their players, they just add two more FRPs that that group and trade one away for a future FRP.

Yup, OKC might be looking to trade a 2025 FRP…and, as I’ve written here, the Zards could possibly send OKC the 2029 FRP we received in the Deni trade for a 2025 FRP.

OKC is a very deep team and I doubt that they will want to use—and pay—all 3 of the FRPs it has in the 2025 draft.

[bsilver]

If a high priority is getting another decent 1st round 2025 pick maybe we can trade JV to OKC. They need protection at center with Holmgren out.
Their own pick isn’t worth much, but they also have the Clipper pick and Miami’s lottery protected pick. It shouldn’t be hard to find 10M in salary to take back from OKC.

Hartenstein is playing really well since returning. That mitigates their need for a backup C. Hartenstein and Holmgren are both considerably better than JV at this point.

I could see OKC holding out to try to get a "star" with their 3 FRPs. My guess that would need to be a SG. Now, what team that is tanking has a star SG they want to trade? I thought of Phoenix and Booker - but I just don't think they would make that happen.

I could also see OKC trading their 2025 picks for future FRPs. Maybe? Or because they will return (my guess) 12 of their players, they just add two more FRPs that that group and trade one away for a future FRP.

I was thinking of JV being insurance in case Holmgren can’t return. Or Holmgren can return playing primarily PF. It’s asking a lot to see his skinny frame holding up against bulky centers.

[dckingsfan]

If a high priority is getting another decent 1st round 2025 pick maybe we can trade JV to OKC. They need protection at center with Holmgren out.
Their own pick isn’t worth much, but they also have the Clipper pick and Miami’s lottery protected pick. It shouldn’t be hard to find 10M in salary to take back from OKC.

Hartenstein is playing really well since returning. That mitigates their need for a backup C. Hartenstein and Holmgren are both considerably better than JV at this point.

I could see OKC holding out to try to get a "star" with their 3 FRPs. My guess that would need to be a SG. Now, what team that is tanking has a star SG they want to trade? I thought of Phoenix and Booker - but I just don't think they would make that happen.

I could also see OKC trading their 2025 picks for future FRPs. Maybe? Or because they will return (my guess) 12 of their players, they just add two more FRPs that that group and trade one away for a future FRP.

I was thinking of JV being insurance in case Holmgren can’t return. Or Holmgren can return playing primarily PF. It’s asking a lot to see his skinny frame holding up against bulky centers.

Hartenstein is back and playing well - yes, Holmgren is out until end of January. But I see your point - JV for a FRP for insurance. That is a pretty big ask but why not ask... would you take a couple of SRPs?

[doclinkin]

From the realgm news feed:

The Los Angeles Lakers will continue to try to trade for Jonas Valanciunas or another backup center, according to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype.

Valanciunas is expected to be available for a second-round pick.

Doubt it considering we got him in sign and trade for a 2nd rounder. They like his production and as a role model for Sarr. Not saying he isn’t available for trade but it will have to be a better deal than what landed him here.

[gambitx777]

5 for 1 trades are impractical. We would first have to cut a bunch of guys (and their guaranteed contracts) to make roster room to absorb the incoming players. And I don't think the Lakers so easily part with Christie.

If we want a FRP out of the Lakers, I think we're going to have to eat Vanderbilt's contract. So it would be Brogdon and Gill for Vanderbilt, Vincent and Wood. (The Gill for Wood swap is necessary to ensure the Lakers are shaving salary in the transaction to avoid 2nd Apron problems.)

So? You cut wood and reddish. You don't want them. You work a buy out with Vincent. Johnny Davis can get cut and fill can go. Or get sent to the Lakers. This saved them a ton of money and helps their tax issues.

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It doesn't work that way. You have to create the roster spots for the newly acquired players and actually add them to your team before you can then cut them.

I don't remember it not working that way but! It may just not come up enough for us to really notice thats the rule. Either way we have the players to cut. Gill, Holmes, Bagley, Davis Baldwin. So it's a none issue.

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[gambitx777]

This is one of the most unrealistic trades I've even seen on RealGM. You need to step away from the Trade Checker.

Why ? JV is having a good year and on a great contract. Pod has fallen off and looks really bad this year. They refused to pay kuminga so while people value him they can get him for free because they refused to pay him. So why give up premium assets now? I thing JV is out most valuable asset over 25. What he could do for them vs someone who's seen as an attitude issue and who's walking anyway and a depresiating young player can't be understated

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I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. Why don't you go propose the trade on the trade board and see what they say about it?

I will fight back on this.
Instead of just the you're so stupid why are you eating cake with a spoon response. (Spoons are the superior way to eat cake btw)

Kuminga has regressed. He's taking about 3 more shots a game and he's making about the same. Almost all his numbers are about the same or worse. His FG% has tanked and his ft numbers are the worst they've been. His numbers are just about around where kuzma were last year. GS opted to not pay him. I'm not up on the current rules but even as a restricted FA, with their money situation can they afford to match a big offer? I've seen plenty of reports on Twitter (grain of salt I know) about how kuminga is turning into the next Poole in the locker room. Pod had a decent year last year. But he has since fallen off a **** cliff they are both young and promising but let's not ignore issues when the GSW can not afford to bet big money on guys that might have bigger red flags than people think.

That being said I understand that kuminga was and by many still is seen as a stud. Take him out and add a filler contract and pod 2 seconds that aren't theirs and lowering the protectiona on a pick that's already gone. Is not a bad deal for JV.

Now debating kuminga, debating how and why pods fallen off a cliff. Walking the trade back. Those are much more fun and healthy ways to debate than just being dismissive of an opinion you don't share even if it is probably overzealous.



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[NW]

Why ? JV is having a good year and on a great contract. Pod has fallen off and looks really bad this year. They refused to pay kuminga so while people value him they can get him for free because they refused to pay him. So why give up premium assets now? I thing JV is out most valuable asset over 25. What he could do for them vs someone who's seen as an attitude issue and who's walking anyway and a depresiating young player can't be understated

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I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. Why don't you go propose the trade on the trade board and see what they say about it?

I will fight back on this.
Instead of just the you're so stupid why are you eating cake with a spoon response. (Spoons are the superior way to eat cake btw)

Kuminga has regressed. He's taking about 3 more shots a game and he's making about the same. Almost all his numbers are about the same or worse. His FG% has tanked and his ft numbers are the worst they've been. His numbers are just about around where kuzma were last year. GS opted to not pay him. I'm not up on the current rules but even as a restricted FA, with their money situation can they afford to match a big offer? I've seen plenty of reports on Twitter (grain of salt I know) about how kuminga is turning into the next Poole in the locker room. Pod had a decent year last year. But he has since fallen off a **** cliff they are both young and promising but let's not ignore issues when the GSW can not afford to bet big money on guys that might have bigger red flags than people think.

That being said I understand that kuminga was and by many still is seen as a stud. Take him out and add a filler contract and pod 2 seconds that aren't theirs and lowering the protectiona on a pick that's already gone. Is not a bad deal for JV.

Now debating kuminga, debating how and why pods fallen off a cliff. Walking the trade back. Those are much more fun and healthy ways to debate than just being dismissive of an opinion you don't share even if it is probably overzealous.



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As a Warriors fan, I'd like to interject.

1. Kuminga is turning it around and the FO is more than content to see if that continues or is a fluke. They made JK an offer in the offseason that he passed on thinking he will deserve more. He's restricted, but if he keeps playing like he is, GS will pay him.
2. Podz is a similar situation. Struggled early but has turned it around lately since they traded for Schroder. His good periods were the first couple of weeks when Melton was healthy and since Schroder joined. Basically, any time he didn't have to run the offense when Steph is out. He can't do it. He's a secondary ballhandler/playmaker. And he's on the second year of.a cheap rookie contract. No rush to deal him.
3. That draft pick the Wiz has is 2030. All due respect, not a player on the Wiz roster worth a limited protected first from GS in the post Steph era when the team is likely to be very bad.
4. Also all due respect, we're talking for Jonas Valacunas here. A fine big man who likely wouldn't even finish games for Steve Kerr over putting Draymond at the 5. He's got a great contract, but I don't see his worth being much more than a few 2nds.

JMO

[TGW]

^^Yea, we know. Gambit is one of our overly optimistic homers. Love the guy, but sometimes his trade ideas are a bit one sided. Most of us know JV is not worth more than a SRP, maybe two if we're lucky. He's definitely nowhere close to being worth Kuminga and/or Podz.

[payitforward]

Agree. Neither one of them & certainly not both.

Now... is there a way to send them both JV & MB plus a R2 pick -- & take back Podziemski? Answer... no.

[gambitx777]

Agree. Neither one of them & certainly not both.

Now... is there a way to send them both JV & MB plus a R2 pick -- & take back Podziemski? Answer... no.

Obviously the justification for kuminga is waited and a bit pie in the sky but the argument is there even if it's less than bullet proof.

The argument for podziemski is much more solid. I do not think if the GSW thoughtJV could fix their issues that they would shy away from adding him in. Or tossing in some seconds or lowering the protections on that pick a smidge.

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