Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Pillendreher]

Hi guys

would you be interested in Grant as a young big man off the bench?

Cheers

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Sigh... Trevor Ariza is a terrific player. But questions about should we / should we not sign this or that UFA, Trevor or someone else, are just one more example of fans overlooking simple facts.

We can't afford Trevor Ariza, or any other UFA to speak of beyond the lowest of the low priced journeymen (see under Meeks, Frazier, Scott, etc.) & really not even those kinds of guys.

Assuming we give Sheldon Mac his qualifying offer (we will: he's cheap) & Smith/Meeks pick up their player options (they will: no one will have more $ for either of them), we'll go into next season with 11 guys at a cost that exceeds the cap and is well into luxury tax territory: almost 127m.

Assuming we hold on to our R1 pick (we'd be nuts not to, which I suppose means that Ernie will p#ss it away), make that almost $129m for 12 players.

Reality bites.

But perhaps we make some trades to get is out of this predicament (trying to stay positive).

It's good to stay positive. The first positive steps we can take are:

1. Accept that this generation of the Wizards has no chance whatever to contend for a championship
2. Fire Ernie Grunfeld
3. Trade Markieff Morris for the highest 2018 draft pick we can get -- a mid-R2 pick would look like a miracle to me.
4. Keep our R1 picks in 2018 & every year henceforth
5. Buy high R2 picks in 2018 & 2019, if we can find any team willing to sell the picks: overpay if necessary, as it's chump change compared to the luxury tax.

None of this solves the overall problem, but it might make it entertaining again to be a Wizards fan.

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Bulls have made Jerian Grant available. There is a negative chance that the wizards even consider making that type of outside the box move and even give him minutes afterwards, but Frazier and a 2nd would be a brilliant trade, ...

Of course it would. But in essence that's trading Grant for the number fifty something pick in next year's draft, & they won't do that.

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Hi guys

would you be interested in Grant as a young big man off the bench?

Cheers

Sure. Would you be interested in taking Markieff Morris for him?

[Ruzious]

Hi guys

would you be interested in Grant as a young big man off the bench?

Cheers

Sure. Would you be interested in taking Markieff Morris for him?

Young big man? Which Grant are you guys talking about? I don't want to take the question for granted. If I was granted a wish, I'd get an athletic big who can shoot and rebound. Granted, Otto might fit that bill, but I don't consider him a big.

[Pillendreher]

Hi guys

would you be interested in Grant as a young big man off the bench?

Cheers

Sure. Would you be interested in taking Markieff Morris for him?

Young big man? Which Grant are you guys talking about?

Jerami Grant.

A fellow Thunder fan said you might give up Oubre, but I disagreed and said you guys would rather trade Morris than Oubre.

[Ruzious]

Sure. Would you be interested in taking Markieff Morris for him?

Young big man? Which Grant are you guys talking about?

Jerami Grant.

A fellow Thunder fan said you might give up Oubre, but I disagreed and said you guys would rather trade Morris than Oubre.

Correct - it would be laughable to consider trading Oubre for Jerami, but we'd be happy to get rid of Morris for Jerami.

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Young big man? Which Grant are you guys talking about?

Jerami Grant.

A fellow Thunder fan said you might give up Oubre, but I disagreed and said you guys would rather trade Morris than Oubre.

Correct - it would be laughable to consider trading Oubre for Jerami, but we'd be happy to get rid of Morris for Jerami.

In fact, we might be willing to go so far as to give up Smith too.

I don't know who your "fellow Thunder fan" is, but he's dreaming. Oubre is one of the most talented young players in the game. He's already very good, & he's improving all the time. We'll have a hard time figuring out how to retain him, given the incredible overpay extension Wall is getting, but he certainly wouldn't be available for a guy like Jerami Grant.

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Young big man? Which Grant are you guys talking about? I don't want to take the question for granted...

You can't trade Grant for granted, Ruz. It's metaphysically impossible.

[NatP4]

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Not sure if it could more obvious. They need to get rid of Morris and Meeks and find a shot creating combo guard to compliment Satoransky

[Ruzious]

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Young big man? Which Grant are you guys talking about? I don't want to take the question for granted...

You can't trade Grant for granted, Ruz. It's metaphysically impossible.

Uh, I believe the last CBA has an exemption for the laws of metaphysics.

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Not sure if it could more obvious. They need to get rid of Morris and Meeks and find a shot creating combo guard to compliment Satoransky

Grayson Allen might fit the bill with our first. Obviously, we need a center, but just a thought.

I'd really love to find a way to get that first round pick from Minny...they are in win now mode at the moment and I think would be willing to part with it.

[JWizmentality]

Gortat, Beal, Porter, Morris, Ian, Meeks, Frazier I really don't care for.

Wall I kinda excuse because I've seen him at his peak and know what he's capable of, but for some reason he's regressed this year. I'd put all that on the table for trades. Wall, Sato, Oubre, Scott are the only players I consider worth a damn on this team.

[NatP4]

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Not sure if it could more obvious. They need to get rid of Morris and Meeks and find a shot creating combo guard to compliment Satoransky

Grayson Allen might fit the bill with our first. Obviously, we need a center, but just a thought.

I'd really love to find a way to get that first round pick from Minny...they are in win now mode at the moment and I think would be willing to part with it.

I’ve been on the draft Grayson Allen wagon for years now. He’d be a great fit in Washington. Would love to have multiple picks also. Maybe we could move Mike Scott and a 2nd round pick for a late 1st?

[nate33]

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Not sure if it could more obvious. They need to get rid of Morris and Meeks and find a shot creating combo guard to compliment Satoransky

Yes. That's clearly the problem. It's arriving at a solution that's the hard part. If we could trade Morris and Meeks straight up for Lou Williams, of course we would do it. But the Clippers wouldn't.

We need a way to trade two underperforming, overpaid players for one better player at a position of need. And we can't include a pick unless we're also saving about $5.2M in the transaction.

[NatP4]

Mahinmi and our 2018 1st for Noel and Curry lol

[nate33]

Gortat, Beal, Porter, Morris, Ian, Meeks, Frazier I really don't care for.

Wall I kinda excuse because I've seen him at his peak and know what he's capable of, but for some reason he's regressed this year. I'd put all that on the table for trades. Wall, Sato, Oubre, Scott are the only players I consider worth a damn on this team.

I still like Beal much better than Wall. His contract is MUCH better and I'm sure that he is the type of player who can play on an elite team. Any contending team like Boston, Houston, OKC, Cleveland, Golden State, or Toronto would be thrilled to have him and he would boost their chances. (I'm not sure you could say the same about Wall.) I know Beal has been horribly un-clutch this year, but I don't think it's a permanent problem. He was fine last year. And he's still only 24.

The problem with Wall is that PG's that can't shoot can no longer function in this league. For Wall to make it work, he simply must become a better shooter, or at least become a better spot-up 3-point shooter, eliminate mid-range shots and try to impact the game more with defense and rebounding a la Jason Kidd. I just don't think a team with Wall scoring 20+ a game can contend. You need him at about 14 points, 11 assists and 7 boards.

[Dark Faze]

Our front court has been the reason we've been eliminated in basically every playoff series ever in this era. Wall has flaws for sure, but he was extremely good last post season

[JWizmentality]

Gortat, Beal, Porter, Morris, Ian, Meeks, Frazier I really don't care for.

Wall I kinda excuse because I've seen him at his peak and know what he's capable of, but for some reason he's regressed this year. I'd put all that on the table for trades. Wall, Sato, Oubre, Scott are the only players I consider worth a damn on this team.

I still like Beal much better than Wall. His contract is MUCH better and I'm sure that he is the type of player who can play on an elite team. Any contending team like Boston, Houston, OKC, Cleveland, Golden State, or Toronto would be thrilled to have him and he would boost their chances. (I'm not sure you could say the same about Wall.) I know Beal has been horribly un-clutch this year, but I don't think it's a permanent problem. He was fine last year. And he's still only 24.

The problem with Wall is that PG's that can't shoot can no longer function in this league. For Wall to make it work, he simply must become a better shooter, or at least become a better spot-up 3-point shooter, eliminate mid-range shots and try to impact the game more with defense and rebounding a la Jason Kidd. I just don't think a team with Wall scoring 20+ a game can contend. You need him at about 14 points, 11 assists and 7 boards.

Beal hasn't been un-clutch just this year. He's the very definition of a streaky shooter. His seasons are constantly marred with month long shooting slumps. If anything Wall's shooting problem is the one thing I wouldn't consider permanent. And while he hasn't ever been a great shooter, last year he was more than passable and he was elite in the playoffs.

Sorry, I disagree. Wall over Beal any day of the week.

[nate33]

Gortat, Beal, Porter, Morris, Ian, Meeks, Frazier I really don't care for.

Wall I kinda excuse because I've seen him at his peak and know what he's capable of, but for some reason he's regressed this year. I'd put all that on the table for trades. Wall, Sato, Oubre, Scott are the only players I consider worth a damn on this team.

I still like Beal much better than Wall. His contract is MUCH better and I'm sure that he is the type of player who can play on an elite team. Any contending team like Boston, Houston, OKC, Cleveland, Golden State, or Toronto would be thrilled to have him and he would boost their chances. (I'm not sure you could say the same about Wall.) I know Beal has been horribly un-clutch this year, but I don't think it's a permanent problem. He was fine last year. And he's still only 24.

The problem with Wall is that PG's that can't shoot can no longer function in this league. For Wall to make it work, he simply must become a better shooter, or at least become a better spot-up 3-point shooter, eliminate mid-range shots and try to impact the game more with defense and rebounding a la Jason Kidd. I just don't think a team with Wall scoring 20+ a game can contend. You need him at about 14 points, 11 assists and 7 boards.

Beal hasn't been un-clutch just this year. He's the very definition of a streaky shooter. His seasons are constantly marred with month long shooting slumps. If anything Wall's shooting problem is the one thing I wouldn't consider permanent. And while he hasn't ever been a great shooter, last year he was more than passable and he was elite in the playoffs.

Sorry, I disagree. Wall over Beal any day of the week.

Even when factoring contracts? With Wall's contract, he is going to be the best player on your team. With Beal, you should at some point be able to acquire an even better player and make Beal the #2 guy or even the #3 guy. And you've got an extra 3 years to find that guy.