Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

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(sorry for the long string of posts! catching up...)

[nate33]

We don't disagree; I just wrote in a sloppy way. I meant that if I, New Orleans, could acquire Otto Porter in return for only Randle, Hill & my (i.e. New Orleans's) 2019 R1 pick, I'd do it in a minute.

IOW, I wouldn't trade Porter for that package.

I thought somebody might have hijacked your account.

LOL -- but today I've decided I don't feel willing to take Hill! Makes next year too complicated. Randle & a R1 pick would be a great deal for NO & acceptable for us as part of a total rebuild -- if & only Ernie is gone!

My thought is that, by taking Hill instead of Randall, we are likely to get better/more picks as part of the package.

Having Hill's salary on the books for the extra year doesn't bother me. It's not like we're a player in free agency anyway. And with Wall's salary off the books, we should be comfortably out of luxtax territory even after resigning Sato and Oubre.

For the same reason, I'd happily trade Wall to Phoenix for picks with Ryan Anderson as filler (expires in 2020) instead of Ariza (expires in 2019).

It's interesting that Nivek says that a good Wall deal is on the table but it will have to wait until December 15th. The likely teams are therefore New Orleans (Randall), Phoenix (Ariza) or LA (KCP). But if it's New Orleans or Phoenix, why not make the deal now with Hill or Anderson as filler, and hopefully get an extra future pick in the transaction because we are absorbing a big 2019/20 salary?

[Dat2U]

Lakers aren't trading for Wall, that would ruin their cap space to acquire another max. With the drama going on in GS and rumors of Durant wanting to play with LeBron, no chance in hell they take on Wall's contract.

LeBron gets what he wants. If he wants Wall, the Lakers will trade for him. They will screw their cap and assets just like the Cavs screwed theirs trying to improve with LeBron. He is the defacto GM.

LeBron said that he knows what he signed up for. So he knows that it will take time. No one is stupid enough to take Wall's contract unless they're sending another bad contract on a shorter term. Lakers does't have a bad contract.

Yet...

Let's revisit in 6 weeks.

LeBron isn't about to waste ANY of his remaining prime years.

[Kobe System]

LeBron gets what he wants. If he wants Wall, the Lakers will trade for him. They will screw their cap and assets just like the Cavs screwed theirs trying to improve with LeBron. He is the defacto GM.

LeBron said that he knows what he signed up for. So he knows that it will take time. No one is stupid enough to take Wall's contract unless they're sending another bad contract on a shorter term. Lakers does't have a bad contract.

Yet...

Let's revisit in 6 weeks.

LeBron isn't about to waste ANY of his remaining prime years.

Then he should've sign with Philly.

LeBron is not bigger than the Lakers organization itself. They're not the Cavaliers where he can just do whatever he wants.

[Ruzious]

I thought somebody might have hijacked your account.

LOL -- but today I've decided I don't feel willing to take Hill! Makes next year too complicated. Randle & a R1 pick would be a great deal for NO & acceptable for us as part of a total rebuild -- if & only Ernie is gone!

My thought is that, by taking Hill instead of Randall, we are like to get better/more picks as part of the package.

Having Hill's salary on the books for the extra year doesn't bother me. It's not like we're a player in free agency anyway. And with Wall's salary off the books, we should be comfortably out of luxtax territory even after resigning Sato and Oubre.

For the same reason, I'd happily trade Wall to Phoenix for picks with Ryan Anderson as filler (expires in 2020) instead of Ariza (expires in 2019).

It's interesting that Nivek says that a good Wall deal is on the table but it will have to wait until December 15th. The likely teams are therefore New Orleans (Randall), Phoenix (Ariza) or LA (KCP). But if it's New Orleans or Phoenix, why not make the deal now with Hill or Anderson as filler, and hopefully get an extra future pick in the transaction because we are absorbing a big 2019/20 salary?

I'm hoping it's Wall for Randle and fiiller, but can New Orleans afford to pay Anthony Davis, Jrue Holiday, and Wall? That's an awful lot for 3 players. I think it's Phoenix.

[Dat2U]

LeBron said that he knows what he signed up for. So he knows that it will take time. No one is stupid enough to take Wall's contract unless they're sending another bad contract on a shorter term. Lakers does't have a bad contract.

Yet...

Let's revisit in 6 weeks.

LeBron isn't about to waste ANY of his remaining prime years.

Then he should've sign with Philly.

LeBron is not bigger than the Lakers organization itself. They're not the Cavaliers where he can just do whatever he wants.

Lol ok... you obviously have the inside info.

[TGW]

I don't know what the obsession is with Randle. He is very lazy. Talented but lazy as hell.

[truwizfan4evr]

I don't know what the obsession is with Randle. He is very lazy. Talented but lazy as hell.

This guy had a triple double off the bench in 25 mins i want him asap

[TGW]

I don't know what the obsession is with Randle. He is very lazy. Talented but lazy as hell.

This guy had a triple double off the bench in 25 mins i want him asap

So what. The Wizards simply don't have the organization to support lazy players or malcontents. Randle would bomb here.

[nate33]

I don't know what the obsession is with Randle. He is very lazy. Talented but lazy as hell.

I don't care if we get Randall or not. He has an opt out this summer which he will surely exercise, and we will not have any Bird Rights or RFA rights. So he's a one-year rental. Frankly, I'd rather just take Solomon Hill and hope that New Orleans throws us an extra pick as a reward for absorbing his salary. Let New Orleans keep Randall and go all in on a title run this year.

[pcbothwel]

Make it LAL and Phoenix... along with Kings

Wall to LAL for KCP & Ball (Maybe a pick too)
Ball to Suns to Okobo, Filler, protected pick
KCP to Kings for McLemore and 2nd

Rebuild around Sato, Okobo, Beal, Brown, Otto, Oubre, 2 2019 1st (Ours, LAL), and 2 2020 1st (Ours & Suns)

i actually think its a great way to rebuild with out complete tear down. Also, this doesnt stop us from trading Beal/Otto next year or so in deeper rebuild.

[Ruzious]

Is there a reasonable way to get Phoenix' 1st rounder unprotected in a Wall trade?

[nate33]

Is there a reasonable way to get Phoenix' 1st rounder unprotected in a Wall trade?

I doubt it. I just don't see any way they leave off top 3 protection. I'm sure they're following Zion and Barrett as much as we are.

I'd still do it even if it was top 3 protected.

[gambitx777]

Well piff we have three good young sf, 4 if you count sato. Kelley is not going to get a max deal.
so you trade Otto for the cap relief and you get Skal and Giles. Two good big young talented 4 men, a position of need on the team and a position that needs a lot of young injected into the team, if you move otto, you get younger and you get some potential on the team.

1. Oubre is not a "good young sf"; he's looking more & more like a guy who is failing to develop the BBIQ he needs to complement his athleticism. More simpy, he's playing badly -- & it's his 4th year. I don't want to give up on him, but I wouldn't want to count on him either.
2. Troy Brown Jr. is not a "good young sf." He's a rookie who's played 32 minutes in the NBA. He might have an NBA career, might be good. We don't know that. Might be a bust. Don't know that either. We're 5-11 as I write this. I'd be playing him 20+ minutes a night.
3. I don't count Sato, b/c he is a PG not a SF.
4. Skal is not a "good big young talented 4" -- he's a 3d year player who hasn't had a good year yet & is playing worse than ever -- & not playing much for that reason.
5. Harry Giles is a very talented young player who has come back from knee surgery & has looked good so far -- in the G League. If all goes well, he should be a very good player. Like you I would target him. But (essentially) straight up for Otto? No.

Now... where you are certainly right is that we have a salary problem. Yet your proposed trade doesn't even get us under the tax this year -- something we really need to do -- because it includes McLemore & Randolph.

Gambit -- I guess, if you respond further I'll have to reply. But really... maybe we should stop talking about this particular trade idea? What do you say?

Fair But I guess when i say good and young I guess im talking about level of talent and potential compared to money on the contract? does that make sense.
I guess in this situation. I am more gearing towards saving money after this year, im abandoning this year imo, cap wise you are where you are you are not going to trade these guys and get tax relief this year. its just going to be too hard, but its doable to trade these guys for 1 year deals and underachieving young guys that you might be able to make someone out of.

[mademan]

Yet...

Let's revisit in 6 weeks.

LeBron isn't about to waste ANY of his remaining prime years.

Then he should've sign with Philly.

LeBron is not bigger than the Lakers organization itself. They're not the Cavaliers where he can just do whatever he wants.

Lol ok... you obviously have the inside info.

Not about Lebron, but I think the Lakers think they have a legit shot at Durant or Kawhi. Theyre not making a move like this until it becomes obvious theyre not getting either. As is, there's no reasonable way for them to become title contenders this year, so no point in giving up assets for Wall and giving up the chance at KD/KL

[Ruzious]

Then he should've sign with Philly.

LeBron is not bigger than the Lakers organization itself. They're not the Cavaliers where he can just do whatever he wants.

Lol ok... you obviously have the inside info.

Not about Lebron, but I think the Lakers think they have a legit shot at Durant or Kawhi. Theyre not making a move like this until it becomes obvious theyre not getting either. As is, there's no reasonable way for them to become title contenders this year, so no point in giving up assets for Wall and giving up the chance at KD/KL

I still think Beal makes a lot more sense as a fit for the Lakers than Wall does. And now that I think of it, including Jeff Green also makes sense - as he had success with Lebron last season. Ingram and Hart sounds like a law firm, but that's the pair the Wiz should go after. Beal and Green for Ingram, Hart, KCP, and Beasley fits in the trade checker and also saves close to 5 mil off of lux taxable wages. And KCP's 12 mil expiring is attractive - not to mention Beasley's 3.5 mil expiring. Ingram' just turned 21 in September - star upside. We could probably get a 1st rounder from the Lakers in the deal. Good deal for both teams.

[80sballboy]

Charlotte interested in Beal

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article221962305.html

[mademan]

Lol ok... you obviously have the inside info.

Not about Lebron, but I think the Lakers think they have a legit shot at Durant or Kawhi. Theyre not making a move like this until it becomes obvious theyre not getting either. As is, there's no reasonable way for them to become title contenders this year, so no point in giving up assets for Wall and giving up the chance at KD/KL

I still think Beal makes a lot more sense as a fit for the Lakers than Wall does. And now that I think of it, including Jeff Green also makes sense - as he had success with Lebron last season. Ingram and Hart sounds like a law firm, but that's the pair the Wiz should go after. Beal and Green for Ingram, Hart, KCP, and Beasley fits in the trade checker and also saves close to 5 mil off of lux taxable wages. And KCP's 12 mil expiring is attractive - not to mention Beasley's 3.5 mil expiring. Ingram' just turned 21 in September - star upside. We could probably get a 1st rounder from the Lakers in the deal. Good deal for both teams.

Beal's awesome, but theres a lot of FA's this summer, and LA is a nice place. Butler/Kawhi/Durant/Middleton/Kemba...the Lakers should feel confident in getting at least 1 big name this summer without having to move anything. Beal doesnt move the needle for them this year or solve the mountainous defensive problems they have. While value is fine (more than fine, Ingram's crazy overrated), it doesnt make sense for LA to be short sighted right now.

[nate33]

Lol ok... you obviously have the inside info.

Not about Lebron, but I think the Lakers think they have a legit shot at Durant or Kawhi. Theyre not making a move like this until it becomes obvious theyre not getting either. As is, there's no reasonable way for them to become title contenders this year, so no point in giving up assets for Wall and giving up the chance at KD/KL

I still think Beal makes a lot more sense as a fit for the Lakers than Wall does. And now that I think of it, including Jeff Green also makes sense - as he had success with Lebron last season. Ingram and Hart sounds like a law firm, but that's the pair the Wiz should go after. Beal and Green for Ingram, Hart, KCP, and Beasley fits in the trade checker and also saves close to 5 mil off of lux taxable wages. And KCP's 12 mil expiring is attractive - not to mention Beasley's 3.5 mil expiring. Ingram' just turned 21 in September - star upside. We could probably get a 1st rounder from the Lakers in the deal. Good deal for both teams.

I'd entertain that if we moved Wall first and decided we wanted to go full rebuild.

I'm not really a fan of Ingram though.

[truwizfan4evr]

i dont really want to give up on Beal right now.