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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#1681 » by Dark Faze » Thu Dec 18, 2025 10:01 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Answer your last question first...NO. That pick is very likley to be in the 4-8 range. No way do you trade that for picks 20, 25, and Topic (Probably worth pick 20-25).

To your previous point. Im sure OKC would prefer higher picks to lower pick. Duh. lol
But as their history has shown us, trading pick 20-25 will only net them a 1st in a couple year that MIGHT be in the same range.
To me, they are so good that trading one of the lotto picks for a future lotto pick in the best allocation of assets.



I think the main issue is that 2026 lotto pick for a WSH '27 lotto pick doesn't do much for them. You're kicking the can down the road only a single year in terms of salary/roster relief while presumably trading an elite draft year for a worse one. The protection would absolutely have to come off for them to entertain it, or perhaps just a top 1 protection.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#1682 » by mhd » Thu Dec 18, 2025 10:35 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:Side note. Im really trying to find a pick swap by the deadline for the OKC pick we have this year (#30). We are the only 'sellers' currently picking in the 20-30 range, and therefore the only ones looking to move assets to move up. The Bucks, Celtics, Spurs, GSW, Raptors and Heat are all picking in the 15-22 range and could be a good match.
Heat - CJ + Cam for Rozier + Fontecchio with a pick swap?

With the emergence of Pat Spencer in Golden State, Buddy Hield is a bit redundant. Heild is also playing terribly this year, with a TS% of .536 and a 3P% of just .315.

We could absorb Hield into our Olynyk TPE. It would save Golden State $9.2M off of their books, which actually translates into $50M in luxtax savings plus the $5M or so in prorated salary they wouldn't have to pay him.

Would Golden State trade down from #15 to #30 in order to save a whopping $55M?

Hield has $3M of guaranteed money owed next year, which we would also have to eat. But that's peanuts.



Nah, the trade is to trade 30 for Hield + lowering the future GSW pick we have to from top 20 protected to top 3 protected. GSW saves 55 million and he’s a cheap rookie with the 30th pick while we get a lottery ticket with that future GSW we already own
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#1683 » by 9 and 20 » Thu Dec 18, 2025 10:42 pm

Saw Bennedict Mathurin's name come up on twitter. He's a restricted free agent at the end of the year. Not sure we'd trade for him but maybe we trade Bilal and then separately sign Mathurin? Is Bilal worth a high(ish) first round pick, or 2 mid picks?
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Post#1684 » by dckingsfan » Thu Dec 18, 2025 11:44 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:They trade those three to teams that have an abundance of cap space for draft assets? But it is kind of like Monopoly, shouldn't you gang up on the player that is winning? They aren't going that deep in the luxury tax (opinion). Make them waive the three players.

That would get them to 11 under contract and 4 FRPs to take their place?


I have no doubt that they COULD fit 4 first round picks on the team on paper.
But again, they would have HALF the team on their rookie contracts, and NONE of those players would start. OKC is smart and in this thing for the long haul, well after SGA is gone. To do that, they need to keep the show going and get picks beyond 2029 as they only have one 1st (Denver) 2029+ that is not their own.
Just look at recent history.
2024: the 24th pick we used to draft Kyshawn actually came from OKC. They traded that pick to Dallas straight up in exchange for a pick swap in 2028. Let me repeat that. They gave up the 24th pick for the right to pick swap with a team that was in the finals 6 months ago and had a 24 y/o SUPERSTAR (Luka). It was a pure dump as they didnt want ANOTHER rookie on the team.

2025: After they drafted Sorber (#15), OKC traded pick 24 (Im seeing a pattern) to the Kings and passing on Clifford, Jase, Wolf, Hugo, McNeeley, Flemming, Kalkbrenner, etc... and what did they get? They received the Spurs 2027 1st with top 16 protection. So again, they traded the 24th pick for a highly protected 1st 2 years later from a team that has Fox, Wemby, Castle, and Harper. That pick is looking like it will be in the 25-28 range.
Again.... They clearly lost value, but didnt have the roster space to endure ANOTHER rookie.

So here we are again in summer of 2026, but instead of Two 1st, they have Four 1st and an even MORE complete roster. They WILL NOT leave the 1st round with more than 2 rookies... Book it.

Book marked it is... They have incredible flexibility from keeping zero to four FRPs. I will go with the over and say they will keep three.

But also to which you allude, I could see them keeping one or two and trading back some years with the other two.

How do I think they will make their decision? I think they will look at the players available at the draft and then decide who they really want.

BTW, if they do win the draft - Darryn Peterson will play (book it).
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Post#1685 » by gambitx777 » Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:16 am

I wonder when expansion comes up. If teams like OKC are gonna push for bigger teams like right now we have 15 and 3 two ways and most teams have g league teams
I wonder if they are gonna push for 5-10 two ways so it's like the entire g league team or like 17-20 regular spots and then 3-5 two ways or start making g league teams exclusive? I can see this happened eventually

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#1686 » by pcbothwel » Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:33 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:Answer your last question first...NO. That pick is very likley to be in the 4-8 range. No way do you trade that for picks 20, 25, and Topic (Probably worth pick 20-25).

To your previous point. Im sure OKC would prefer higher picks to lower pick. Duh. lol
But as their history has shown us, trading pick 20-25 will only net them a 1st in a couple year that MIGHT be in the same range.
To me, they are so good that trading one of the lotto picks for a future lotto pick in the best allocation of assets.



I think the main issue is that 2026 lotto pick for a WSH '27 lotto pick doesn't do much for them. You're kicking the can down the road only a single year in terms of salary/roster relief while presumably trading an elite draft year for a worse one. The protection would absolutely have to come off for them to entertain it, or perhaps just a top 1 protection.


I really think you are underestimating the value proposition. Kicking the can down the road a year is big. There are questions surrounding Ajay, Sorber, Topic, as is the status of Dort & Hartenstein, all of which will have more clarity 18 months from now. Additionally, they would be trading a pick outside the top 10 (Utah) for a pick that looks like it will be in the 4-10 range.
Again, no rush on this as this would take place during the draft.
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Post#1687 » by nate33 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 2:36 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Would people trade WSH '27 (top 3 prot) for Topic, Hou '26, Philly '26?


Answer your last question first...NO. That pick is very likley to be in the 4-8 range. No way do you trade that for picks 20, 25, and Topic (Probably worth pick 20-25).

You are right. I misread the original post and thought it was Topic, the Philly pick and the LAC pick.
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Post#1688 » by nate33 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 3:23 pm

I'm rethinking the Darius Garland situation in Cleveland.

Cleveland is currently 15-14 and are tied with Atlanta in the 8th/9th position in the East. They are paying $163M in luxury taxes to keep that roster together. And now, Mobley is out for 4 weeks with a calf strain. They might not even make the top 6 and be forced to win a play-in against a team like Atlanta, Miami or Boston just to make the playoffs. It is a complete trainwreck.

It's looking like the Big Four concept is a failure. You can't have a team with Mitchell, Mobley, Garland and Allen without paying a monstrous luxury tax, and it's crazy to pay a monstrous luxury tax for a middling .500 team. They're not trading Mitchell or Mobley, so one of Garland or Allen must go. And Garland has always been the awkward fit because he and Mitchell make such a diminutive backcourt.

I think we are at the point where we might be able to poach Garland without spending any real pick capital. One issue is that very few teams have the ability to trade with them because being over the second apron makes it nearly impossible for them to make moves. They can't aggregate salaries and they can't take back more than they send out. And the luxtax situation next year looks pretty rough too because they will be paying higher repeater tax multiples. Also, with so many other PG's on the market (Trae, Ja, Lamelo) there clearly isn't much of a demand for Garland. Cleveland is going to be disappointed if they're expecting a pick haul. And finally, Garland needs more time to truly recover from that toe injury. Nobody is going to trade for him and then rely on him to get them through the playoffs this year.

The trade I propose is effectively us trading McCollum and Whitmore for Garland, Lonzo and a vet-minimum scrub. It would actually be two trades: one is Lonzo plus vet-minimum guy (Bryant? Nance Jr.?) for our Olynyk TPE. The other is McCollum and Whitmore for Garland. The two trades combine shave $18.8M off of their payroll which would save them a whopping $118 MILLION in luxtax payments (plus roughly $14M in prorated salary savings). Think about that for a moment. Their owner would save $132M dollars this year by doing that trade. And next year, they were looking at another $90M in luxtax payments, and with this deal, that drops to 0. So $200M+ in savings to essentially trade a broken down Garland into a young, healthy and cheap Cam Whitmore who plays more of a position of need.

As for our incentive, the main thing is that it costs us nothing. We need to spend that money anyhow, so why not spend it on a 25-year-old former All-Star who could conceivably get back to All-Star form if we just give him another 9 months to rest and heal? And it allows us to maintain the tank because we offload McCollum but we then tell Garland to sit out until his toe is right. If the gamble works out, we have another core piece. If it doesn't, Garland's salary comes off the books in Summer 2027 just as the first of our young guys (Sarr and George) are up for new contracts, so there won't be any trouble with the long term cap sheet.

One other side benefit - Lonzo Ball might be perfect for us. He is a pass first guy who will try very hard to set up his teammates and set a good example on defense, but at the same time, his shot is totally broken and he will likely help us tank.
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Post#1689 » by payitforward » Sat Dec 20, 2025 4:12 pm

Great stuff, nate!

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Post#1690 » by nate33 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 4:13 pm

payitforward wrote:Great stuff, nate!

Have you ever thought of running for President?

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Post#1691 » by DukeLecker » Sat Dec 20, 2025 6:10 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Saw Bennedict Mathurin's name come up on twitter. He's a restricted free agent at the end of the year. Not sure we'd trade for him but maybe we trade Bilal and then separately sign Mathurin? Is Bilal worth a high(ish) first round pick, or 2 mid picks?

I see Bilal’s trade value equal to that of Cam Whitmore’s—2 2nds. Cam has real skill and ability but the wrong attitude. Bilal has zero skill or ability besides physical traits but seemingly a good attitude, albeit injured. No way Indy gives Mathurin for Bilal.
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Post#1692 » by nate33 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 7:50 pm

DukeLecker wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Saw Bennedict Mathurin's name come up on twitter. He's a restricted free agent at the end of the year. Not sure we'd trade for him but maybe we trade Bilal and then separately sign Mathurin? Is Bilal worth a high(ish) first round pick, or 2 mid picks?

I see Bilal’s trade value equal to that of Cam Whitmore’s—2 2nds. Cam has real skill and ability but the wrong attitude. Bilal has zero skill or ability besides physical traits but seemingly a good attitude, albeit injured. No way Indy gives Mathurin for Bilal.

The best thing to do with Bilal at this point is to resign him to a Deni Avdija type of contract (only perhaps a bit lower). Remember that he couldn't really work on his shot this offseason because of the thumb injury. I'd gamble that he breaks out in his 4th or 5th year after signing an extension, leaving us with a quality role player at a cheap price.

Sign him to a 4-year deal that pays him $14.1M, $12.9M, $11.7M and $10.5M over the next 4 years respectively. Worst case scenario is that he is a slightly overpaid 7th man designated defensive stopper. Best case scenario, his catch-and-shoot 3-ball comes around and he is Herb Jones locked into an even cheaper deal.
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Post#1693 » by payitforward » Sun Dec 21, 2025 12:41 am

nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Great stuff, nate!

Have you ever thought of running for President?

lol

We both know that nobody on this board wants me as President. :D

You need me as your "elder" advisor young fella...! Wise grandpa type....
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Post#1694 » by dckingsfan » Sun Dec 21, 2025 7:33 pm

payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Great stuff, nate!

Have you ever thought of running for President?

lol

We both know that nobody on this board wants me as President. :D

You need me as your "elder" advisor young fella...! Wise grandpa type....

Speaking of elders... Chris Paul to tutor our guys?
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Post#1695 » by nate33 » Tue Dec 23, 2025 2:01 pm

This was well received on the Trade Board. To understand the context, just know that Cleveland no longer has their own pick and has swapped it out in a complicated trade that ultimately gives them rights to San Antonio's pick. Also, Cleveland is paying an insane luxury tax and unloading $10M in salary saves them an additional $61M in luxtax fees.

WAS trades: cap room, 2026 OKC pick (#30)
WAS receives: Mike Conley, 2026 MIN pick (#24), 2028 CLE 2RP

CLE trades: Lonzo Ball, 2026 SAS pick (#28)
CLE receives: 2026 OKC pick (#30), $10M TPE

MIN trades: Mike Conley, 2026 MIN pick (#24)
MIN receives: Lonzo Ball, 2026 SAS pick (#28)

Rather than specifically trade for the MIN pick, I would actually arrange it so that we get the best of the OKC, SAN, MIN pick, but I phrased it this way to make it easy to follow. Ultimately, it's likely that we receive a pick that falls somewhere in the 22-25 range. (There are 7 teams who could potentially finish ahead of the worst of SAS and MIN: OKC, DEN, DET, NYK, HOU, LAL.)

So basically, we absorb Conley's $10.3M salary to move up 5-7 spots in the draft and add on a 2028 CLE 2RP.
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Post#1696 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 23, 2025 2:50 pm

Unclear why Minnesota wants to do this....
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Post#1697 » by nate33 » Tue Dec 23, 2025 2:57 pm

payitforward wrote:Unclear why Minnesota wants to do this....

A well-respected trade board regular who is a fan of Minnesota, shrink, was actually the one who suggested the tweak involving Minnesota.

Minnesota knows that Conley is unviable in the playoffs at this point. He is too small and too old. Lonzo Ball may be having a bad statistical season so far, but he is a good defender and has a pass first mentality that could be a solution to Minnesota's biggest weakness: defense at the point of attack. Right now, all of their PG options (Conley, Dillingham) are just too short, forcing them to play Edwards at PG, which is not ideal.

It's a gamble on a Ball for Conley swap being an upgrade where it matters. And the downside is so small - just 3-4 spots in the draft - why not give it a try?
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Post#1698 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 23, 2025 3:05 pm

Fair enough....
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Post#1699 » by doclinkin » Tue Dec 23, 2025 5:12 pm

Except Conley is the heart of that locker room and beloved in general. I think you’d have to sweeten the deal for the Wolves to sell it. But we have dozens of 2rps to sprinkle into any deal so maybe that tips the scale. I don’t see us drafting 3 late 2nds this year.

That said Conley is the one late career vet I would most want as a role model for our back court. Never a gunner. Just a smart high efficient floor general.
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Post#1700 » by nate33 » Tue Dec 23, 2025 5:18 pm

doclinkin wrote:Except Conley is the heart of that locker room and beloved in general. I think you’d have to sweeten the deal for the Wolves to sell it. But we have dozens of 2rps to sprinkle into any deal so maybe that tips the scale. I don’t see us drafting 3 late 2nds this year.

That said Conley is the one late career vet I would most want as a role model for our back court. Never a gunner. Just a smart high efficient floor general.

Conley is washed. He is now averaging just 9 points and 2 FTA's per 36 minutes on a TS% of just .551, which is horrible at such a low usage. And he can't defend at the other end of the court.

2 years ago, he was a useful part time rotation player. Right now, we'd be better off cutting him and hiring him in the coaching staff that we would be by actually playing him

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