Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[80sballboy]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3968/chase-budinger
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2991 ... ny-bennett

I'm sure you can get both for an expiring contract or a future pick. Not that either is good but both are available.

[wolves_89]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3968/chase-budinger
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2991 ... ny-bennett

I'm sure you can get both for an expiring contract or a future pick. Not that either is good but both are available.

An expiring for Budinger would work. Bennett would probably take an asset with future value (young player or pick).

[80sballboy]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3968/chase-budinger
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2991 ... ny-bennett

I'm sure you can get both for an expiring contract or a future pick. Not that either is good but both are available.

An expiring for Budinger would work. Bennett would probably take an asset with future value (young player or pick).

But can they help us? We need help from the bench. I guess Buddinger is a decent 3-point shooter.

[nate33]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3968/chase-budinger
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2991 ... ny-bennett

I'm sure you can get both for an expiring contract or a future pick. Not that either is good but both are available.

An expiring for Budinger would work. Bennett would probably take an asset with future value (young player or pick).

Nobody is going to give any assets for Bennett. He has shown nothing at all that makes one believe he will be anything more than an easily-obtainable, fringe role player... and that's being optimistic. He looks even worse than Derrick Williams and Michael Beasley (the two other undersized PF's who recently went way too high in the draft).

If we want Bennett, we'll wait two years and sign him in 2016.

[80sballboy]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3968/chase-budinger
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2991 ... ny-bennett

I'm sure you can get both for an expiring contract or a future pick. Not that either is good but both are available.

An expiring for Budinger would work. Bennett would probably take an asset with future value (young player or pick).

Nobody is going to give any assets for Bennett. He has shown nothing at all that makes one believe he will be anything more than an easily-obtainable, fringe role player... and that's being optimistic. He looks even worse than Derrick Williams and Michael Beasley (the two other undersized PF's who recently went way too high in the draft).

If we want Bennett, we'll wait two years and sign him in 2016.

Bennett is horrible, but he is just 21. Not something a veteran team that has depth issues needs, but a player that you might want to keep an eye or stash in the D-League. I'm mildly intrigued by his future but he'll probably always be a tweener.

[nate33]

An expiring for Budinger would work. Bennett would probably take an asset with future value (young player or pick).

Nobody is going to give any assets for Bennett. He has shown nothing at all that makes one believe he will be anything more than an easily-obtainable, fringe role player... and that's being optimistic. He looks even worse than Derrick Williams and Michael Beasley (the two other undersized PF's who recently went way too high in the draft).

If we want Bennett, we'll wait two years and sign him in 2016.

Bennett is horrible, but he is just 21. Not something a veteran team that has depth issues needs, but a player that you might want to keep an eye or stash in the D-League. I'm mildly intrigued by his future but he'll probably always be a tweener.

Right. The fact that he is 21 is the only reason anyone is even giving him minutes. The possibility exists that he improves enough to be a worthwhile rotation player, but it's not a strong possibility. Better to let him develop on someone else's dime. If he gets better, we can add him as a free agent in two years. I guarantee that Minnesota doesn't give him the qualifying offer so he's going to be an unrestricted free agent in 2016. (The QO will cost them something like $10M, IIRC).

[jivelikenice]

I've been debating a potential isaiah move on twitter and i'm amazed at how reluctant ppl are to make a move. This team isn't a contender now IMO but they're not far away either (in the East). Add a 15ppg bench player, a player who can get his own shot and the entire outlook changes (it would change even more with a better HC). If all that costs is a 1st then go for it. Isaiah is under contract, and the contract is structured with a declining salary which helps us in '16. Quick question for the cap guys, how would our cap outlook for '16 be with him in the fold?

LOL

Those people you are tweeting with are not GMs.

Its not what they want. It what we think is possible and what we would guess two or more GMs would do.

It fine if people want to voice what they would do. But at the end of the day, I'm more interested in reading people who are objective about what is most likely to happen.

I get that, but it just amazes me how Wiz fans have been conditioned accept the status quo. Since Wall was drafted we were told the first few years we would be bad so patience was required. That was followed by get to the playoffs so last regular season when the team was up and down they still met their goal. Now it's about Durant so it's just accepting the status quo for two years. That will be 6 years of Wall's career before the franchise and fans have raised the bar.

[gambitx777]

Would anyone be ok with a trade like this
Blair, Kevin and a heavily reverse protected first. Meaning they get it is its 1-15 2016-2017, 1-20 2018-2019, and if they don't collect by then they get 2 seconds.
For Thomas and Plumlee
Then we use satoransky and a second to dump Webster on a team like the sixers, Cut or trade Gooden. Then you have 3 spots to bring in a combination of Dominique Jones/Seth Curry/Ray Allen or Amare/KG/other bigs if and when every one hits the open market.

[nate33]

I've been debating a potential isaiah move on twitter and i'm amazed at how reluctant ppl are to make a move. This team isn't a contender now IMO but they're not far away either (in the East). Add a 15ppg bench player, a player who can get his own shot and the entire outlook changes (it would change even more with a better HC). If all that costs is a 1st then go for it. Isaiah is under contract, and the contract is structured with a declining salary which helps us in '16. Quick question for the cap guys, how would our cap outlook for '16 be with him in the fold?

LOL

Those people you are tweeting with are not GMs.

Its not what they want. It what we think is possible and what we would guess two or more GMs would do.

It fine if people want to voice what they would do. But at the end of the day, I'm more interested in reading people who are objective about what is most likely to happen.

I get that, but it just amazes me how Wiz fans have been conditioned accept the status quo. Since Wall was drafted we were told the first few years we would be bad so patience was required. That was followed by get to the playoffs so last regular season when the team was up and down they still met their goal. Now it's about Durant so it's just accepting the status quo for two years. That will be 6 years of Wall's career before the franchise and fans have raised the bar.

You can complain all you want, but doing so doesn't change reality. You can't just wish for the team to be better. You have to actually put a plan in place. We have a plan that actually has the potential to put us into real contention for a good long window of time starting in 2016. The alternative is to be impatient and recklessly spend our few assets in an attempt to get marginally better. We could exchange future cap space and picks for another half-decent player and add perhaps 3 or 4 wins to our total, but that's not enough to win a championship and it significantly reduces any opportunity to add a true impact player.

[LyricalRico]

Would anyone be ok with a trade like this
Blair, Kevin and a heavily reverse protected first. Meaning they get it is its 1-15 2016-2017, 1-20 2018-2019, and if they don't collect by then they get 2 seconds.
For Thomas and Plumlee

Of course, but I dont think it would get it done. Too much protection IMO.

How about a bigger deal with no picks: Nene+Blair+Webster for Thomas+Wright+Green+Plumlee

The Suns get their true big man, and their doctors can try their hand at keeping him healthy. I doubt the Wiz would do it, but it fills out our team nicely. Nene is key to beating Chicago, but we need to retool to beat everyone else in the East so I'm willing to take the chance.

Gortat/Wright
Hump/Plumlee
Pierce/Porter/Butler
Beal/Thomas/Green
Wall/Thomas

[payitforward]

I still want in on Brook Lopez- especially if we can get him for, say, Gortat and Porter. Yeah, he's injury prone and not the best defender in the world, but on offense with Wall, Beal, Pierce, and Nene- that's a scary lineup to defend. He was scary enough against us by himself in DC last month- we had absolutely no answer for him.

That sense of desperation that led Randy Wittman to throw DeJuan Blair out there on him- it would be nice to have our bigs inflict that on the opposition for once.

And if he gets hurt, well, he's expiring next year with Nene, and we have a ton of cap room going forward.

Best offer so far for him seems to be Stephenson and Cody Zeller from Charlotte- I think Gortat and Porter beats that.

These ideas get worse and worse! Yes, Brook Lopez had a good game against us. Big deal.

Brook Lopez isn't as good a player as Gortat -- let alone give away Porter to get him! Yikes.

Lopez doesn't rebound nearly as well as Gortat, and his TS% is a lot worse than Gortat's. That's just for starters.

[gambitx777]

Of course, but I dont think it would get it done. Too much protection IMO.

How about a bigger deal with no picks: Nene+Blair+Webster for Thomas+Wright+Green+Plumlee

The Suns get their true big man, and their doctors can try their hand at keeping him healthy. I doubt the Wiz would do it, but it fills out our team nicely. Nene is key to beating Chicago, but we need to retool to beat everyone else in the East so I'm willing to take the chance.

Gortat/Wright
Hump/Plumlee
Pierce/Porter/Butler
Beal/Thomas/Green
Wall/Thomas

I mean you could lower it to 1-20 for the 4 years but that' not much protection but it would be enough.
Protected firsts are going for decent returns now a days.

[rl25g]

Gortat for Ilyasova straight up?

Would give Milwaukee a legit center for their playoff run. Not sure if they would want to invest in another center with Sanders on the books but Gortat would help them.

If Witt is not playing Gortat in the 4th anyways, I really want to see Wall with space on the court. Nene has played Center often this year so he shouldn't complain.

We could follow up Nate's Miller+Blair+1st for IT

Wall/IT/Temple
Beal/IT/Webster
Pierce/Butler/Porter
Ilyasova/Humphries/Gooden
Nene/Seraphin/Gooden

[gambitx777]

Gortat for Ilyasova straight up?

Would give Milwaukee a legit center for their playoff run. Not sure if they would want to invest in another center with Sanders on the books but Gortat would help them.

If Witt is not playing Gortat in the 4th anyways, I really want to see Wall with space on the court. Nene has played Center often this year so he shouldn't complain.

We could follow up Nate's Miller+Blair+1st for IT

Wall/IT/Temple
Beal/IT/Webster
Pierce/Butler/Porter
Ilyasova/Humphries/Gooden
Nene/Seraphin/Gooden

Ilyasova is not a good player, and he's made of glass. plus there are some questions about the legitimacy of his age. Naw I'll pass!

[WallToWall]

Well well well, Amare is the first shoe to drop. He could be good on our bench. He'll match up well with most 2nd units on other teams.

[jivelikenice]

I get that, but it just amazes me how Wiz fans have been conditioned accept the status quo. Since Wall was drafted we were told the first few years we would be bad so patience was required. That was followed by get to the playoffs so last regular season when the team was up and down they still met their goal. Now it's about Durant so it's just accepting the status quo for two years. That will be 6 years of Wall's career before the franchise and fans have raised the bar.

You can complain all you want, but doing so doesn't change reality. You can't just wish for the team to be better. You have to actually put a plan in place. We have a plan that actually has the potential to put us into real contention for a good long window of time starting in 2016. The alternative is to be impatient and recklessly spend our few assets in an attempt to get marginally better. We could exchange future cap space and picks for another half-decent player and add perhaps 3 or 4 wins to our total, but that's not enough to win a championship and it significantly reduces any opportunity to add a true impact player.[/quote]

I don't think Isaiah's $6.6 Million '16 salary seriously reduces the odds of landing Durant. I think you risk losing Durant by entering '16 FA with the oldest roster in the NBA that is stuck in 4th/5th seed purgatory. The Durant talk really took off because of the teams growing relavance. That can quickly disappear. And 3-4 wins when we're 1 game out of #3 and 3.5 games out of #2 is pretty significant. It could make getting to the conference semi-finals or maybe even ECF by next year more plausible.

[jivelikenice]

You can complain all you want, but doing so doesn't change reality. You can't just wish for the team to be better. You have to actually put a plan in place. We have a plan that actually has the potential to put us into real contention for a good long window of time starting in 2016. The alternative is to be impatient and recklessly spend our few assets in an attempt to get marginally better. We could exchange future cap space and picks for another half-decent player and add perhaps 3 or 4 wins to our total, but that's not enough to win a championship and it significantly reduces any opportunity to add a true impact player.

I don't think Isaiah's $6.6 Million '16 salary seriously reduces the odds of landing Durant. I think you risk losing Durant by entering '16 FA with the oldest roster in the NBA that is stuck in 4th/5th seed purgatory. The Durant talk really took off because of the teams growing relavance. That can quickly disappear. And 3-4 wins when we're 1 game out of #3 and 3.5 games out of #2 is pretty significant. It could make getting to the conference semi-finals or maybe even ECF by next year more plausible.[/quote]

[Dark Faze]

If you trade Porter then in a year you're not going to have an SF on the roster. Web is done. Rasual is definitely going to be a flash in the pan and is old himself. Pierce is gone after next season.

[Dark Faze]

You can complain all you want, but doing so doesn't change reality. You can't just wish for the team to be better. You have to actually put a plan in place. We have a plan that actually has the potential to put us into real contention for a good long window of time starting in 2016. The alternative is to be impatient and recklessly spend our few assets in an attempt to get marginally better. We could exchange future cap space and picks for another half-decent player and add perhaps 3 or 4 wins to our total, but that's not enough to win a championship and it significantly reduces any opportunity to add a true impact player.

I don't think Isaiah's $6.6 Million '16 salary seriously reduces the odds of landing Durant. I think you risk losing Durant by entering '16 FA with the oldest roster in the NBA that is stuck in 4th/5th seed purgatory. The Durant talk really took off because of the teams growing relavance. That can quickly disappear. And 3-4 wins when we're 1 game out of #3 and 3.5 games out of #2 is pretty significant. It could make getting to the conference semi-finals or maybe even ECF by next year more plausible.

[/quote]


This is a good post. When it comes to Durant, being a good prospective landing for him is first, second and third on the list of things you need to do. You can ALWAYS firesale to free up capspace.

[Ruzious]

You can complain all you want, but doing so doesn't change reality. You can't just wish for the team to be better. You have to actually put a plan in place. We have a plan that actually has the potential to put us into real contention for a good long window of time starting in 2016. The alternative is to be impatient and recklessly spend our few assets in an attempt to get marginally better. We could exchange future cap space and picks for another half-decent player and add perhaps 3 or 4 wins to our total, but that's not enough to win a championship and it significantly reduces any opportunity to add a true impact player.

I don't think Isaiah's $6.6 Million '16 salary seriously reduces the odds of landing Durant. I think you risk losing Durant by entering '16 FA with the oldest roster in the NBA that is stuck in 4th/5th seed purgatory. The Durant talk really took off because of the teams growing relavance. That can quickly disappear. And 3-4 wins when we're 1 game out of #3 and 3.5 games out of #2 is pretty significant. It could make getting to the conference semi-finals or maybe even ECF by next year more plausible.

This is a good post. When it comes to Durant, being a good prospective landing for him is first, second and third on the list of things you need to do. You can ALWAYS firesale to free up capspace.

Who are you going to firesale? Beal? Porter? Those are the only young guys on the team. If you sign Thomas, you can't keep Hump AND somehow dump Webster. Are you going to find some JoBlo off the street to replace Hump? The pick you'll need to dump Webster could be another useful young player that you're giving away.