Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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The Kings won 25 games in 2009-10. Cousins joined them, & they've won 24, 22, 28, 29, 29 & 34 in the years he's been there. Yes, their FO is a train wreck, but that's still enough data for me.

The Kings have had terrible drafts though
2011- # 10 Jimmer Fredette (#11 was Klay, #15 Kawai), #60- Isiah Thomas (was a good pick but let him walk)
2012- #5 Thomas Robinson (#6 Lillard, #7 Barnes, #9 Drummond)
2013- #7 Ben McLemore (#10 CJ McCollum, #12 Steven Adams, #15 Giannis)
2014 - Traded as part of a package for Rudy Gay
2015- Willy Cauley Stein (Winslow, Booker, Turner, Oubre, etc)

Plus you left out their questionable 2016 draft when they had 3 picks. But the Rudy Gay trade at least gave them a productive player, and I'm not ready to write off Cauley-Stein. Still, no question the FO hasn't performed well.

It's always possible to find a reason why something didn't happen. It's always possible to explain failure away.

But it's better to look facts in the face. The incredibly talented Demarcus Cousins doesn't produce wins for his team. Lets see how NO does this year and next year. If he makes them a lot better, then I'm wrong. If he doesn't... draw your own conclusion.

[dckingsfan]

@PIF - I think what is interesting is that if we didn't sign Mahimni and Nicholson, we almost certainly could have landed Cousins as Sacramento was trying to do a salary dump. Would you want him as a one year rental to see how he works out with Wall?

The problem with Cousins is that he's like a banana split -- it's not good for you, but it tastes so good that you convince yourself it ought to be.

Okay, this:



or this:

[Kanyewest]

The Kings won 25 games in 2009-10. Cousins joined them, & they've won 24, 22, 28, 29, 29 & 34 in the years he's been there. Yes, their FO is a train wreck, but that's still enough data for me.

The Kings have had terrible drafts though
2011- # 10 Jimmer Fredette (#11 was Klay, #15 Kawai), #60- Isiah Thomas (was a good pick but let him walk)
2012- #5 Thomas Robinson (#6 Lillard, #7 Barnes, #9 Drummond)
2013- #7 Ben McLemore (#10 CJ McCollum, #12 Steven Adams, #15 Giannis)
2014 - Traded as part of a package for Rudy Gay
2015- Willy Cauley Stein (Winslow, Booker, Turner, Oubre, etc)

Plus you left out their questionable 2016 draft when they had 3 picks. But the Rudy Gay trade at least gave them a productive player, and I'm not ready to write off Cauley-Stein. Still, no question the FO hasn't performed well.

It's always possible to find a reason why something didn't happen. It's always possible to explain failure away.

But it's better to look facts in the face. The incredibly talented Demarcus Cousins doesn't produce wins for his team. Lets see how NO does this year and next year. If he makes them a lot better, then I'm wrong. If he doesn't... draw your own conclusion.

Yeah, I got lazy. I am more willing to write off WCS as a blown pick although he can turn it around with Cousins. But not a good pick since the Kings already had a big man.

[Kanyewest]

The Kings won 25 games in 2009-10. Cousins joined them, & they've won 24, 22, 28, 29, 29 & 34 in the years he's been there. Yes, their FO is a train wreck, but that's still enough data for me.

The Kings have had terrible drafts though
2011- # 10 Jimmer Fredette (#11 was Klay, #15 Kawai), #60- Isiah Thomas (was a good pick but let him walk)
2012- #5 Thomas Robinson (#6 Lillard, #7 Barnes, #9 Drummond)
2013- #7 Ben McLemore (#10 CJ McCollum, #12 Steven Adams, #15 Giannis)
2014 - Traded as part of a package for Rudy Gay
2015- Willy Cauley Stein (Winslow, Booker, Turner, Oubre, etc)

Winslow has stunk. I don;t know if he the offensive game to be a player in the NBA. Turner & Booker are obviously studs. I wouldn't write off WCS yet. He's got the talent to be an elite defensive center. I thought it was a good pick. He's come on as of late.

Yeah, WCS not as terrible as the other picks. You are right Winslow hasn't been good although funny thing is that h would have fetched a higher value than what the Kings got for Cousins in the 2015 draft. I don't think WCS was necessarily the right team because the Kings already had Cousins, although he could potentially do better now.

[penbeast0]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

[nuposse04]

Pelicans need shooters... Marcus Thornton for t. Jones? Add a protected 2nd? Then trade Jason smith/nicholson/burke and a protected 1st for the best playmaker we can find?

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[Dark Faze]

They gave Cousins away for the same reasons you pointed out. 24-34 wins aint really moving the needle. While I agree Cousins aint the ONLY answer...if we could have got him we could compete for the ring THIS YEAR...if we could have kept the majority of our pieces and ALL of our starters. I dont see how NO is going to play with Twin Towers that get thier numbers on bad teams where they are the first and second option night in and night out. I assure you Cousins and Davis wont work out and Cousins will be available in the offseason because NO will know by then that Boogie aint gonna sign with them long term. The Kentucky connection is real so our upside is Boogie comes here...our risk is John goes to Boogie.

I agree. Boogie and Davis together, with crappy wings around them, is not a good situation. One of those bigs is going to end up standing around behind the three point line. And if the oft-injured Jrue Holiday gets hurt again, things could go south in a real hurry.

At the trade deadline next year, New Orleans might be real interested in Gortat + Oubre + 1st for Cousins. We may not even have to include Oubre since Cousins will be signaling that he'll be departing via free agency in the summer.

And if we get a promising player in this draft that would really help us to be able to make a deal for a really strong player.

Definitely important we just hold onto the pick at this point.

[NatP4]

I would LOVE to grab Tyreke Evans off of waivers. Have him replace Burke in the rotation, he's at least as good as Burke at handling the ball, plus he's a much bigger and better defender. The 2nd unit could really put the defensive clamps down if they go with a Sato, Evans, Oubre, Morris, Mahinmi lineup. Switch everything and Mahinmi protects the rim. Offensively, Evans or Sato could run the pick and roll with Mahinmi, or just dump the ball into Morris for a mediocre one-on-one possession. It's good enough to tread water while the starters rest.

I'm not interested in Terrence Jones. It would be nice to get him just because having a competent 10th man is better than not having a competent 10th man, but it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We already have Morris and Smith at PF, plus Porter should get minutes there too. Jones will find another team where he is more needed.

IIRC, Tyreke was actually one of the top shooting guards in the league last season averaging something like 16-7-5 and top 10 in DRPM and ORPM. He's a beast.

[mhd]

Just listened to a bit of the Lowe-Windhorst pod. Lowe doesn't think we should trade a 1st for Lou Williams. Feels like in the playoffs, refs won't fall for his drawing-fouls offensive skill set. Windhorst & Lowe both feel its a lock that the Wiz will trade for a bench upgrade. Lowe would rather have Collison.

[NatP4]

Just listened to a bit of the Lowe-Windhorst pod. Lowe doesn't think we should trade a 1st for Lou Williams. Feels like in the playoffs, refs won't fall for his drawing-fouls offensive skill set. Windhorst & Lowe both feel its a lock that the Wiz will trade for a bench upgrade. Lowe would rather have Collison.

Yes, preach Lowe. I'd rather steal Collison for free OR scoop Tyreke off of waivers.

sign Tyreke and trade for Bojan with a 2nd

Trade for Collison with a 2nd

It would be unacceptable to trade our 2017 1st for Lou Williams at this point, Meliorus was right about the market. We should be lowballing teams

[NatP4]

I'm also really starting to buy into the idea of Wilson Chandler, if we could dump Nicholson, he'd be a great option, let's us play small ball all the time, and gives us a much needed shooter plus another guy to throw at Lebron in a playoff series.

Sign Tyreke trade for Chandler?

[mhd]

I'm also really starting to buy into the idea of Wilson Chandler, if we could dump Nicholson, he'd be a great option, let's us play small ball all the time, and gives us a much needed shooter plus another guy to throw at Lebron in a playoff series.

Sign Tyreke trade for Chandler?

Doubt Denver deals him. They have no one who could replace him as a wing defender with bulk who hits 3s. They want to get into the playoffs.

[dckingsfan]

It would be unacceptable to trade our 2017 1st for Lou Williams at this point, Meliorus was right about the market. We should be lowballing teams

I think if the Lakers wanted to trade him, they should have done it earlier.

[dckingsfan]

Looks like the kings are going to waive Matt Barnes instead of Evans.

[Mojo Amok]

Watch on YouTube

(Wizards talk about 6 minutes in - my efforts to paste the URL with that time stamp in failed).

The David Aldridge discussion actually mentioned both Wilson Chandler and Will Barton as potential Wizards targets, though I agree that it looks like a longshot with Denver trying to secure the 8th seed. To this point they look more like buyers than sellers, but with their assorted interchangeable pieces anything is possible in theory.

I would view bringing in Wilson Chandler as a move that more or less wrote off Oubre and I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly were outbound in that trade as I don't think you're going to be able to play both guys for the kind of minutes that they should be getting. Chandler plays at SF for about 75% of his minutes according to 82 games.

Barton on the other hand might get a few minutes from Kelly, but would probably push small ball lineups more than anything and could just as easily end up taking Smiths minutes.

Aldridge is certainly not infallible and earlier in the interview said he didn't suspect Cousins would be going anywhere; I'm sure these are just two scenarios out of many that are being floated around.

[heatcharger]

In a vacuum I'd rather have Lou Will just for the sheer scoring potential, but considering that Collison can be had for Burke + filler + 2nd rounder, Ernie would be dumb not to pull the trigger on that.

[gambitx777]

Well I think the kings are aiming at a tank. I think they are going to cut Evans, barns, maybe Galloway and anyone else they can reasonably cut. If I were EG I would grab Ted, wall, beal, Porter, morris and gortat, and scott. hop on the jet and got visit Evans if you get permission to or he gets bought out. Show up on his door and show him how much him being on the team would mean, and get that deal done.

[J-Ves]

In a vacuum I'd rather have Lou Will just for the sheer scoring potential, but considering that Collison can be had for Burke + filler + 2nd rounder, Ernie would be dumb not to pull the trigger on that.

If that's the case it's a no brainer. A team like Cleveland would be all over that as well.

[NatP4]

Thanks for the post MOJO

[NatP4]

Sounds like Will Barton is possibly available, and we do have interest.