Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[nate33]

The time has come for serious measures.

Jordan Poole for Draymond Green.

I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but I'd do that in a heartbeat. If nothing else, Draymond's salary is about 25% cheaper. And after Draymond serves his suspension, sooner or later, someone would be willing to trade for him. The guy is still a defensive force. Imagine him in Miami.

[Kanyewest]

We trade for Draymond then he sucker punches Ted so hard he moves back to Athens. Brilliant

We could get a royal rumble

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/01/27/capitals-owner-clashes-with-fan-at-game/589911f8-0280-4f6f-9ae4-e5e700addd40/

[DCZards]

The time has come for serious measures.

Jordan Poole for Draymond Green.

I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but I'd do that in a heartbeat. If nothing else, Draymond's salary is about 25% cheaper. And after Draymond serves his suspension, sooner or later, someone would be willing to trade for him. The guy is still a defensive force. Imagine him in Miami.

If you trade for Draymond you’ll likely to have a disgruntled vet in your lockeroom after he serves his suspension. And there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to move him given his salary, declining skills, and anger issues.

The Zards don’t need or want that.

[nate33]

The time has come for serious measures.

Jordan Poole for Draymond Green.

I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but I'd do that in a heartbeat. If nothing else, Draymond's salary is about 25% cheaper. And after Draymond serves his suspension, sooner or later, someone would be willing to trade for him. The guy is still a defensive force. Imagine him in Miami.

If you trade for Draymond you’ll likely to have a disgruntled vet in your lockeroom after he serves his suspension. And there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to move him given his salary, declining skills, and anger issues.

The Zards don’t need or want that.

Draymond doesn't need to play or even enter the locker room. Just leave him in Golden State while he serves out his suspension and then trade him the moment he is eligible. I guarantee Draymond would bring back an expiring contract, and probably a bit more.

This is a no-brainer trade. Poole is a massively negative value.

[DCZards]

Given his age, salary, and attitude, there are maybe 5 or 6 NBA teams that would be interested in Draymond. Maybe one of them bites on a trade. But it’s a risk…and certainly not a no-brainer.

[Frichuela]

Random trade proposal:

Nets Receive: Kyle Kuzma and Danilo Gallinari Washington Wizards Receive: Ben Simmons, Noah Clowney, 2025 first-round pick (via PHX), 2029 first-round pick (via DAL)

https://nothinbutnets.com/posts/3-huge-trades-the-nets-could-make-to-shake-up-the-roster-01hhb72fx9n1/2

A lot depends on where our FO expects those 1st rounders to be…Simmons has another year in his contract and I do not know what to think about Clowney (funny surname for sure…).

[Frichuela]

A better trade proposal in my view is the following:

Wizards receives: Walker, Indiana’s 2024 1st, Milwaukee 2025 1st plus filler from the Magic (Fultz, Harris).
Indiana receives: Kuzma
Magic receives: Tyus Jones, Hield.

disclaimer: the value of this trade hinges on our FO’s view on the potential of Walker to become a starter. His G league numbers look great in a small sample but I do not know what to make about his very limited playing time with the Pacers.

[nate33]

I think two first round picks is the price for Kuzma. That's where I start considering a deal. Anything less and I'm happy to be patient. I don't think Kuzma's trade value is going to decline anytime soon. So both of the above trades seem reasonable.

All that said, I don't think Kuzma is the problem with the Wizards. Our biggest problem is woeful defense from the guards and the total absence of defense at backup center. With that in mind, I'd probably be more inclined to shop Tyus Jones first and see if we can get a bigger, younger, more defensive-minded starting guard. I'm curious to see how things look with Tyus Jones being replaced with a guy like Dyson Daniels. I'd like a look at that before trading Kuzma.

[J-Ves]

Something to consider: Deni as a trade piece. Unless you view him as something more than a role player it makes sense to exchange him for more pulls on the slot machine (aka draft) than to view him as a part of the team’s core. Much like Kuz though there isn’t much rush to move him while on a long term, friendly deal

[TGW]

Deni is going nowhere.

[penbeast0]

I'd be open to trading Deni like I'd be open to trading anyone. But it would take an strong overpay by someone who values his particular skill set at significantly higher than he was drafted. I think he's got extra value on this team as the only one (other than the rook) who is focusing on defense. Someone has to be showing Bilal how you can succeed with that as your primary skill.

[gambitx777]

I'd be happier trading Poole for a ham sandwich and talking about how dope the mayo was than I would be trading Deni for a huge return. Deni is the kind of player you want on a contract you want.

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[NatP4]

I'd be happier trading Poole for a ham sandwich and talking about how dope the mayo was than I would be trading Deni for a huge return. Deni is the kind of player you want on a contract you want.

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Agreed. Coulibaly and Avdija are the only real core pieces on this roster. No idea what’s going on with Davis. Butler might actually turn out to be a good find.

Other than that, it’s all about landing a top 3 pick in 2024 and selling off anything of value for assets.

I’d probably hang onto Kuzma for another year or so for team culture reasons. Focus on selling off Jones/Gallinari/Wright/Shamet. Need to somehow acquire another 1st for the 24 draft. Poole can go kick rocks.

You wanna start 2024-2025 season with Buzelis/Coulibaly/Avdija as the face of the team and trade Kuzma in the offseason for multiple 1sts. Try to hit on another mid 1st with someone like Kylan Boswell from Arizona.

[WallToWall]

Looking at the Pistons, I'd be targetting Ivey, Wiseman, and Bagley. They are all rotting on the bench, and are all still quite young. Certainly they can be coached into being better players, assuming that they are willing to put in the effort and "want it".

Shamet + Gallinari + Muscala + Davis + two 2nd rnd picks FOR Bagley + Wiseman + Ivey would work.

[nate33]

Looking at the Pistons, I'd be targetting Ivey, Wiseman, and Bagley. They are all rotting on the bench, and are all still quite young. Certainly they can be coached into being better players, assuming that they are willing to put in the effort and "want it".

Shamet + Gallinari + Muscala + Davis + two 2nd rnd picks FOR Bagley + Wiseman + Ivey would work.

I have no interest in Wiseman and Bagley. I think they are mere journeymen at best. There's no reason to expend assets to get these guys because they will be available for peanuts in free agency. I suppose swapping one of our expiring contract vets for Wiseman might make sense just to balance out the roster; but I don't really expect Wiseman to pan out to be anything more than a Javale McGee tier big. He just lacks basketball awareness. (McGee took a decade of development before he became a somewhat useful player.)

Ivey is the interesting target. It's not looking great so far, but there's a real possibility that he is just a bad fit in Detroit because they have no spacing and they already have a primary ball handler they are trying to develop. I'd probably trade Kispert for Ivey. I doubt Detroit would go for it though. Most teams are reluctant to give up on a lotto pick after just 1.5 seasons. I don't expect Detroit to be any different. They probably won't even consider moving him until the Trade Deadline next season.

[WallToWall]

The thought was to expend two 2nd round picks, of which we have a lot, for Wiseman and Ivey. Wiseman has tools to work with on the offensive side. His defense is needing work, as is his awareness. With some good coaching, he could improve.
Ivey would be the prize…that would be a good gamble, IMO. If he has the drive/desire to improve, he could still turn out to be a good player.
Bagley may still turn out to be a reasonable role player. A bench player to give 15 mins of spot duty on a good team.

[payitforward]

We aren't getting Wiesman & Ivey for two R2 picks!
Wiseman would cost nothing, but Ivey is a very solid prospect with a high ceiling. He's playing much better this year than last. There would be no reason to trade him.

[gambitx777]

This team needs something we had. I would love to take on wiseman or baggley !

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[NatP4]

We aren't getting Wiesman & Ivey for two R2 picks!
Wiseman would cost nothing, but Ivey is a very solid prospect with a high ceiling. He's playing much better this year than last. There would be no reason to trade him.

Ivey has been an off the court distraction at times. He’s also one of the worst defensive players in the league and a lead guard with mediocre playmaking skills posting a 4/3 A/TO, and a 53% TS in almost 3000 minutes. Turns 22 in a month. He’s Collin Sexton pt 2.

Cunningham is the guy I would target. He’s been awful in 3400 minutes, but there’s upside to become more efficient down the road and actually be a true lead guard/playmaker. He also actually plays defense.

[nate33]

We aren't getting Wiesman & Ivey for two R2 picks!
Wiseman would cost nothing, but Ivey is a very solid prospect with a high ceiling. He's playing much better this year than last. There would be no reason to trade him.

Ivey has been an off the court distraction at times. He’s also one of the worst defensive players in the league and a lead guard with mediocre playmaking skills posting a 4/3 A/TO, and a 53% TS in almost 3000 minutes. Turns 22 in a month. He’s Collin Sexton pt 2.

Cunningham is the guy I would target. He’s been awful in 3400 minutes, but there’s upside to become more efficient down the road and actually be a true lead guard/playmaker. He also actually plays defense.

Yeah, but Cunningham isn't obtainable. There's no chance that Detroit gives up on the #1 overall draft pick 102 games into his career. It's just totally unrealistic.

Ivey is certainly a riskier prospect than Cade, but that's why he might be attainable (in about a year or so). You may be right that he is nothing more than Collin Sexton Part II. But at least he does have the athleticism and wiggle to his game that allows him to get downhill into the lane - and that's a rare skill. In most cases, it's a prerequisite for a star guard. I think the prospects of Ivey turning the corner and becoming a good starter are better than Jordan Poole's.

Ultimately, I think it's unrealistic to think about either of these guys right now. If we are looking to acquire young talent via trade, I'd be focusing on guys who are soon to be free agents on teams that might not be willing or able to pay them. Immanuel Quickley seems like the best target this summer. I'd also look at Goga Bitadze.