Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[dckingsfan]

It's time to have the conversation of how much would it take us to take beals contract back lol ?

No… it’s not
1) Phoenix doesn’t have the assets to dump him
2) He would not waive his no trade clause to come back.
3) That 3rd year (26/27) at nearly $60M just kills any possibility

Poole right now is the same/better, healthier, and nearly half the price.

Yeah, it would be a great idea in theory to absorb some really bad contract in exchange for a bunch of picks, but Phoenix doesn't have any picks to trade.

That and don't we have swaps with Phoenix in 2030 around the time we will be good?

Let's not do them any favors

I think it a good exercise to see what teams have draft assets and are going to struggle with the cap. You go down the list and it isn't too promising this year but next it may very well be the case. Brooklyn is currently in the drivers' seat on that one... but we aren't to far off.

[nate33]

No… it’s not
1) Phoenix doesn’t have the assets to dump him
2) He would not waive his no trade clause to come back.
3) That 3rd year (26/27) at nearly $60M just kills any possibility

Poole right now is the same/better, healthier, and nearly half the price.

Yeah, it would be a great idea in theory to absorb some really bad contract in exchange for a bunch of picks, but Phoenix doesn't have any picks to trade.

That and don't we have swaps with Phoenix in 2030 around the time we will be good?

Let's not do them any favors

The ideal scenario is for Phoenix to trade Booker to Houston for their three FRP's back. And then follow through on their rebuild and trade Durant for more picks. They could then rebuild with control of the 2025, 2027 and 2029 picks plus whatever they got for Durant. But we would still have their 2026, 2028 and 2030 swap rights.

[Benjammin]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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[gambitx777]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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We have the swap rights first I believe and then the other teams is protected if we claim it to the new pick and unprotected if we don't use it.

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[JAR69]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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I asked this last year, but I don't remember if anyone answered. Does anyone know what happens in the 2026 draft if our pick initially falls outside 1-8, but the swap with PHX would put it within 1-8?

Say we are better than expected, and end up with the 10th pick. And PHX is terrible (injuries, etc.), and ends up with the 5th pick. Does our pick go to NY because it was only protected 1-8, ended up at 10, became NY's then, then NY swaps it with PHX? Or does it stay with us because it ended up at 5 after the swap? My guess is it goes to NY.

Now I'm thinking of a doomsday scenario in which NY gets the #1 pick (or even 2-3) that should have belonged to us. Curse of Les Boulez type stuff. I know we should be bad enough next year to keep the pick, but if we add Flagg or Bailey to this young core, and maybe they are better than expected. Though maybe we would all-out tank in 2026 if this was a realistic scenario.

[gambitx777]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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I asked this last year, but I don't remember if anyone answered. Does anyone know what happens in the 2026 draft if our pick initially falls outside 1-8, but the swap with PHX would put it within 1-8?

Say we are better than expected, and end up with the 10th pick. And PHX is terrible (injuries, etc.), and ends up with the 5th pick. Does our pick go to NY because it was only protected 1-8, ended up at 10, became NY's then, then NY swaps it with PHX? Or does it stay with us because it ended up at 5 after the swap? My guess is it goes to NY.

Now I'm thinking of a doomsday scenario in which NY gets the #1 pick (or even 2-3) that should have belonged to us. Curse of Les Boulez type stuff. I know we should be bad enough next year to keep the pick, but if we add Flagg or Bailey to this young core, and maybe they are better than expected. Though maybe we would all-out tank in 2026 if this was a realistic scenario.

I could be wrong but I think the swap happened then NYK would then get the suns pick. Cuz the picks don't swap potions. They swap picks. So the pick owed would then be the suns pick and they would then get that pick. And our obligations are extinguished.

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[doclinkin]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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I asked this last year, but I don't remember if anyone answered. Does anyone know what happens in the 2026 draft if our pick initially falls outside 1-8, but the swap with PHX would put it within 1-8?

The Wizards pick would convey to NYK so we would not have a pick to swap with PHX.

[nate33]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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Yes. The 2028 is not a clean swap. Brooklyn has dibs over us. Basically, we would only swap if both Phoenix AND Brooklyn are already picking higher than us, and in that case, Brooklyn gets the best pick, we get the second best pick and Phoenix would get our pick.

[TGW]

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That is wild.

[Rafael122]

Man, sometimes following a guy's career can be a bit jarring. We saw the rise of Beal while he was here, but now he's basically becoming the contract/asset everyone doesn't want. Life comes at you fast.

[nate33]

It's a miracle we managed to unload that contract and get anything at all in return.

[tontoz]

Yeah the Suns owner is completely clueless. They had a chance to build a good team and blew it.

[Benjammin]

It reminds me of the Nets disaster with Prokhorov.

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[doclinkin]

Yeah the Suns owner is completely clueless. They had a chance to build a good team and blew it.

If the Suns were smart they’d sell Durant right now for all the draft picks they can get to restock their war chest. They are not one piece away from contending. They are one Durant away from disaster. And when this thing crashes it will leave a Chixulub size smoking crater. They got no other way back out.

[nate33]

Yeah the Suns owner is completely clueless. They had a chance to build a good team and blew it.

If the Suns were smart they’d sell Durant right now for all the draft picks they can get to restock their war chest. They are not one piece away from contending. They are one Durant away from disaster. And when this thing crashes it will leave a Chixulub size smoking crater. They got no other way back out.

Yeah, their only way out is to trade one of Durant/Booker to Houston to get their 2025, 2027 and 2029 FRP's back. (They want their own picks back because, by making the trade, they will commit to tanking so those picks will increase in value.) They should then trade the other of Durant/Booker to whomever will pay the most value, and then commit to a rebuild.

Of course, this scenario would be great for us in 2026 and 2030.

[JAR69]

I believe either 26 or 28 is not a clean pick swap and another team has precedence.

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I asked this last year, but I don't remember if anyone answered. Does anyone know what happens in the 2026 draft if our pick initially falls outside 1-8, but the swap with PHX would put it within 1-8?

The Wizards pick would convey to NYK so we would not have a pick to swap with PHX.

Thanks.

[The Consiglieri]

Yeah the Suns owner is completely clueless. They had a chance to build a good team and blew it.

If the Suns were smart they’d sell Durant right now for all the draft picks they can get to restock their war chest. They are not one piece away from contending. They are one Durant away from disaster. And when this thing crashes it will leave a Chixulub size smoking crater. They got no other way back out.

Teams simply won't mentally face that reality unless they have a really smart, and really ruthless GM who has job security. The Suns don't have any of that. I was very mad about the Beal trade, but my anger was always more at management and the FO for being gullible morons from 2019-2022, and Beal for being a duplicitous pice of ---- who picked literally the worst time humanly possible to pull the trigger on his trade request. But man, whatever team ended up w/Beal was always going to be a colossally stupid team, kind of like w/us unloading Wall. We're bad enough, getting take to the cleaners, and being gullible idiots, but thinking you can make the insane contract work? By giving up nothing to get the player? That's insane. He was already largely done with his prime....so what were you getting, and you were paying him like a top 10 player when he's actually never been a top 25 player but like once in his career. It was always insane for anyone to take the contract off his hands.

This is the scenario we talked about last summer: How and when would the Sun's truly crater? The longer they lived in denial the better because we only get to scoop out the goodies in '25-'26, we didn't want them to implode and sell off guys immediately, we wanted them to do it after '24-'25, and it looks like that is the most likely scenario right now. This is the season of denial, and then they either break it up summer '25, or deadline '26, hoping and praying they aren't smart enough to do it at this deadline.

[nate33]

Yeah the Suns owner is completely clueless. They had a chance to build a good team and blew it.

If the Suns were smart they’d sell Durant right now for all the draft picks they can get to restock their war chest. They are not one piece away from contending. They are one Durant away from disaster. And when this thing crashes it will leave a Chixulub size smoking crater. They got no other way back out.

Teams simply won't mentally face that reality unless they have a really smart, and really ruthless GM who has job security. The Suns don't have any of that. I was very mad about the Beal trade, but my anger was always more at management and the FO for being gullible morons from 2019-2022, and Beal for being a duplicitous pice of ---- who picked literally the worst time humanly possible to pull the trigger on his trade request. But man, whatever team ended up w/Beal was always going to be a colossally stupid team, kind of like w/us unloading Wall. We're bad enough, getting take to the cleaners, and being gullible idiots, but thinking you can make the insane contract work? By giving up nothing to get the player? That's insane. He was already largely done with his prime....so what were you getting, and you were paying him like a top 10 player when he's actually never been a top 25 player but like once in his career. It was always insane for anyone to take the contract off his hands.

This is the scenario we talked about last summer: How and when would the Sun's truly crater? The longer they lived in denial the better because we only get to scoop out the goodies in '25-'26, we didn't want them to implode and sell off guys immediately, we wanted them to do it after '24-'25, and it looks like that is the most likely scenario right now. This is the season of denial, and then they either break it up summer '25, or deadline '26, hoping and praying they aren't smart enough to do it at this deadline.

Yeah, the longer they wait to blow it up, the better it is for us.

If they blow it up right now and tank hard next season, it's still pretty unlikely that they will be much worse than us in 2026 because we're going to suck too. So if that pick swap happens, it'll only be moving up 1-4 slots in the draft. But if they delay the rebuild, that 2030 pick is going to be terrible, and we will hopefully be a playoff team by then.

[gambitx777]

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That is wild.

This is absolutely wild! Like no one can argue that we won this trade now!


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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Man, sometimes following a guy's career can be a bit jarring. We saw the rise of Beal while he was here, but now he's basically becoming the contract/asset everyone doesn't want. Life comes at you fast.

It's a miracle we managed to unload that contract and get anything at all in return.

Yeah the Suns owner is completely clueless. They had a chance to build a good team and blew it.

All that the Suns needed to do was look at trends. Beal missed an average of 24 games over his last 4 seasons with the Wizards. He missed 30 last season, his first with Phoenix. He's already missed 10 games, and this season isn't half over.

Worse than that, Beal is over 30, and his play has taken a nosedive since he played with Westbrook back in 2021.

It was a terrible deal for Phoenix. No team should deal for Beal moving forward.