Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[doclinkin]

That’s what I mean. His benefit is his IQ. But unlike CJ and Poole he’s not a starter in any way. Thus his value is solely as a locker room and bench advisor. There he has real value. Worth it to me to toss in one of those worthless late 2nds.

And obviously work a trade for CJ so Tre, AJJ, and Bub get the real minutes. We get something of use for CJ beyond yet another no defense gunner that forces our youth to the bench.

[nate33]

That’s what I mean. His benefit is his IQ. But unlike CJ and Poole he’s not a starter in any way. Thus his value is solely as a locker room and bench advisor. There he has real value. Worth it to me to toss in one of those worthless late 2nds.

And obviously work a trade for CJ so Tre, AJJ, and Bub get the real minutes. We get something of use for CJ beyond yet another no defense gunner that forces our youth to the bench.

I seriously doubt trading CJ is possible. There are very few contracts to match, and teams know that if we don't trade him, we're going to buy him out anyhow.

The only trade I see that could work is CJ for Fred VanVleet, but since Sheppard is playing so well, I don' t think Houston will go for it. Although maybe they do it to get FVV's 2026-27 salary off the books to make it more palatable to resign Tari Eason. Either way, I don't see them throwing in very much incentive.

At this point, I'm not willing to sacrifice $25M in next year's cap room to absorb FVV's last year. I'd rather keep that room available in hopes that we can buy off some of OKC's spare players, or use it to go after premier free agents like Duren and Reaves. If all those gambits fail and we are still in need of a veteran PG next year, maybe in the summer we can see if Houston wants to trade FVV into our cap space in order to generate the luxtax room to resign Eason. But there's no real advantage to making that trade now. After all, we might just land Peterson in the draft

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What about Kispert to Chicago for Patrick Williams and a pick? Same-ish contract length, but Williams is terrible. We would just park him in Gill's bench spot. Kispert is actually useful to Chicago in their never-ending hunt for the 8th seed.

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If the pick was in R1, even a few years out, sure. & just waive Williams instead of using a roster spot on him (I'd rather Gill than Williams at the end of the bench).

That said, I kind of like having Kispert around. & he's having his best year as a pro: I can easily see him spending his whole career as a Wizard.

[pcbothwel]

If the pick was in R1, even a few years out, sure. & just waive Williams instead of using a roster spot on him (I'd rather Gill than Williams at the end of the bench).

That said, I kind of like having Kispert around. & he's having his best year as a pro: I can easily see him spending his whole career as a Wizard.

I dont see the value of the trade for either side really. But I agree about Kispert. If he was in a high IQ, motion offense he would shine with his elite shooting, movement, and rim finishing.

[payitforward]

Great way to put it -- the better we become, the more useful Kispert will become.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If the pick was in R1, even a few years out, sure. & just waive Williams instead of using a roster spot on him (I'd rather Gill than Williams at the end of the bench).

That said, I kind of like having Kispert around. & he's having his best year as a pro: I can easily see him spending his whole career as a Wizard.

I dont see the value of the trade for either side really. But I agree about Kispert. If he was in a high IQ, motion offense he would shine with his elite shooting, movement, and rim finishing.

Great way to put it -- the better we become, the more useful Kispert will become.

Kispert and Champagnie are two good young veterans who I think the Wizards should hold on to.

[Jay81]

Heard clippers have interest in CJ!

[gambitx777]

Heard clippers have interest in CJ!

#thatssoclips

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Heard clippers have interest in CJ!

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I hear they're offering Bradley Beal.

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LOL!!

[nate33]

Heard clippers have interest in CJ!

#thatssoclips

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Actually, a CJ to the Clippers trade makes pretty good sense from our perspective.

They have a couple of dead weight contracts to match. Bogdanovic ($16M), Brook Lopez ($9.2M) and Beal ($5.3M) combine to make almost as much as CJ's $30.6M. And Bogdanovic and Lopez have team options next year so they are effectively expiring contracts. We would only be taking on next year's of Beal's $5.6M player option. Or maybe we take Batum in place of Beal so that we take back only expiring contracts.

The question is, how much would LA pay to turn 3 mostly useless players into one decent-but-not-great player? I really don't see them trading away more future FRP's, for the marginal upgrade to CJ. And I wouldn't make the trade and take on Beal's 2026-27 salary just for a SRP or two.

[pcbothwel]

Heard clippers have interest in CJ!

#thatssoclips

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Actually, a CJ to the Clippers trade makes pretty good sense from our perspective.

They have a couple of dead weight contracts to match. Bogdanovic ($16M), Brook Lopez ($9.2M) and Beal ($5.3M) combine to make almost as much as CJ's $30.6M. And Bogdanovic and Lopez have team options next year so they are effectively expiring contracts. We would only be taking on next year's of Beal's $5.6M player option. Or maybe we take Batum in place of Beal so that we take back only expiring contracts.

The question is, how much would LA pay to turn 3 mostly useless players into one decent-but-not-great player? I really don't see them trading away more future FRP's, for the marginal upgrade to CJ. And I wouldn't make the trade and take on Beal's 2026-27 salary just for a SRP or two.

Pick swap in 2030?

[gambitx777]

#thatssoclips

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Actually, a CJ to the Clippers trade makes pretty good sense from our perspective.

They have a couple of dead weight contracts to match. Bogdanovic ($16M), Brook Lopez ($9.2M) and Beal ($5.3M) combine to make almost as much as CJ's $30.6M. And Bogdanovic and Lopez have team options next year so they are effectively expiring contracts. We would only be taking on next year's of Beal's $5.6M player option. Or maybe we take Batum in place of Beal so that we take back only expiring contracts.

The question is, how much would LA pay to turn 3 mostly useless players into one decent-but-not-great player? I really don't see them trading away more future FRP's, for the marginal upgrade to CJ. And I wouldn't make the trade and take on Beal's 2026-27 salary just for a SRP or two.

Pick swap in 2030?

Like 3 - 4 seconds

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[tontoz]

Remember that future 2nd rounders have more value than 2nd rounders this year due to NIL.

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Remember that future 2nd rounders have more value than 2nd rounders this year due to NIL.

Sorry to be dense, but... please explain your logic. Thanks....

[Silvie Lysandra]

Remember that future 2nd rounders have more value than 2nd rounders this year due to NIL.

Sorry to be dense, but... please explain your logic. Thanks....

So basically, because of NIL, more players are going to stay for 2-4 years instead of enter the draft. Which means that by 2028-2031 (which is when our contention window will hopefully be), classes will be much, much deeper on the backend, because guys will only enter the draft if they have a good chance to be lottery picks or if they're really not feeling college life. This means those 2nds become extra chances to add cheap rotational talent because marginal prospects will stay in school and fully cook.

[doclinkin]

NIL started in the 2022 draft year. At that point we did see a change in players testing the draft and returning to school.

Guys like Yaxel and JT Toppin in this years draft decided to stick in school not just to improve their stock but because at this point if you’re not a lotto pick you can earn more from NIL than the rookie scale. Currently Toppin earns equivalent to the 14th pick. Yaxel ~ the 20th pick.

Will that increase over time? I wouldn’t be surprised. Unless the league tweaks the rookie scale the NIL money will likely outpace it. Free market bidding will keep college stars longer simply on economics. Unless you’re in a hurry to get to your 2nd NBA contract the money is as good to stay in school and be a star as it is to sit the bench in the NBA.

Will late picks be more valuable? I’d tend to agree. The draft tends to fetishize potential over production. So upperclassmen fall to later in the draft. You get seasoned players who are more swiftly ready to produce with those late 1st picks and high 2nds. Because the standout unpolished hyper talents are always going to look more exciting at the top of the draft. Than Trayce Jackson Davis. Or what’sname, the Creighton center. Or my guy Zach Edey. You’ll get seasoned guys who used up their eligibility or are simply ready for the next challenge.

Whats interesting is that the NIL has a secondary effect of siphoning young players from the Euro pro leagues. So the talent pool in college is getting even deeper. More skilled, with players staying longer and more emphasis on fundamentals at the college level and euro feeder leagues. I’m excited for how this is likely to change the game. Leastways until Adam Silver buys into the euro league.

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Interesting stuff, Silvie/doc.

Now... the talent pool can't get "deeper," b/c that's not a function of when guys enter the draft. You would inspect the talent to be thinner in the first draft w/ NIL in place. &, if you look at '22, R2 does look thin. (Edit -- on 2d glance, it really doesn't look thin)

Then, going forward, for sure you'd expect players to have had another year of learning/training/coaching & therefore to be less raw. Secondarily, you'd expect drafts to be a bit more accurate -- especially the lower end.

It'll take some time to see whether that turns out to be true.

All good.

[doclinkin]

Interesting stuff, Silvie/doc.

Now... the talent pool can't get "deeper," b/c that's not a function of when guys enter the draft. You would inspect the talent to be thinner in the first draft w/ NIL in place. &, if you look at '22, R2 does look thin. (Edit -- on 2d glance, it really doesn't look thin)

Then, going forward, for sure you'd expect players to have had another year of learning/training/coaching & therefore to be less raw. Secondarily, you'd expect drafts to be a bit more accurate -- especially the lower end.

It'll take some time to see whether that turns out to be true.

All good.

It gets deeper due to the influx of euro talent in the NCAAs. Players who used to stick in Europe and get locked up on deals with club teams are now taking NCAA money to audition for the NBA draft with a year+ of college play. There are guys that scouts knew about but who were only draft and stash candidates since they had complex out clauses on their contracts. Many of them never jumped. Guys like Romain Sato or the Octopus Diamantidis. Others took a while to land here like Wiz picks La Bomba Navarro, or Satoransky.

Now no. The NCAA is pullling those guys. Check out the # of Euros in last years college class. Guys like Demin and the Illinois PG (too lazy to google). The Ivisic brothers. Etc.

The more talent you add at the top end the further down you’ll find quality players. Often upperclassmen and those who tested the draft process then returned to school to work on the feedback they got at the combine.

So yes. Deeper. Both in overall talent and in skilled ready to produce players.