Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1721 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:09 am

I'm excited. Really good trade thoughts last few posts.

Redskins looking up.

Wizards if they beat Milwaukee might be alright after all.

Cousins or Terrance Jones no trades? I'm thinking the roster will be revamped next season. Just keep Beal and steal Terrance Jones.

Make a small deal this season like Blair for Nicholson.

dangermouse · Post #1722 » by **dangermouse** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:37 am

id do 1st for Len all damn day

it would be fantastic to have a young big with genuine potential who could be looked at as both a reliable backup and our 'big of the future'

someone like bobby portis.

fishercob · Post #1723 » by **fishercob** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:01 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Induveca wrote:
fishercob wrote:
And he just put up a monster game to beat the Raptors.

He's taking 20% of his shots from three and making an insane 44% of them. Many (most?) appear to be from the top as a trailer on the break.

He's imperfect (are't we all), but he's young, insanely talented, and locked into a cheap contract. As Beal sits out with yet another injury, I am becoming more open to going after DMC, to exorcise the demons of Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, et al.

I think that Cousins' overall skill -- his athleticism, ballhandling, passing, and shooting range -- mean that he could play a decent chunk of 4 alongside Gortat (if the Kings didnt want him). The Spurs are playing big chunks with Duncan and LMA, the Grizz with Gasol and ZBo. Cousins is really effing good.

I'm with you. Anyone but Wall and they have my attention.

I would add Porter. Keep John and Otto.

I don't think we'd have to gut the roster if we dealt for Cousins. If Sacto gives up and deals him, it's because of internal strife and concerns about his character, and they won't be dealing from a position of strength. Consider the Wolves got Wiggins, a draft bust (Bennett), and Thad Young's expiring deal for Love, LRMAM, and Shved. I don't think it's a stretch to the think that Beal, Sactto's choice of Nene/Gortat, and one other modest asset, gets it done. Beal has a choir boy image and is perceived as a budding star.

queridiculo · Post #1724 » by **queridiculo** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:07 pm

Any chance the Pelicans make a trade deadline deal of Nene for Ryan Anderson?

Dark Faze · Post #1725 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:39 pm

I don't see why they'd do it without getting a 1st from us or something. He's a versatile backup that can play alongside either Asik or AD and probably won't be very expensive to extend.

thricethefun · Post #1726 » by **thricethefun** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:43 pm

fishercob wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Induveca wrote:
I'm with you. Anyone but Wall and they have my attention.

I would add Porter. Keep John and Otto.

I don't think we'd have to gut the roster if we dealt for Cousins. If Sacto gives up and deals him, it's because of internal strife and concerns about his character, and they won't be dealing from a position of strength. Consider the Wolves got Wiggins, a draft bust (Bennett), and Thad Young's expiring deal for Love, LRMAM, and Shved. I don't think it's a stretch to the think that Beal, Sactto's choice of Nene/Gortat, and one other modest asset, gets it done. Beal has a choir boy image and is perceived as a budding star.

Giving up our 2nd, and 3rd best player and a 1st (or Oubre) is pretty much gutting the roster

Dark Faze · Post #1727 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:53 pm

Its a shame that Cousins agent was so poor. He could have gotten Cousins more money and in a better situation. He could have signed with us straight up

dckingsfan · Post #1728 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:12 pm

Do we think EG is going to sit pat regardless while waiting for the KD2DC?

Dat2U · Post #1729 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

No sir, I'm not an Alex believer - never have been. What about the folks who were gushing about him the last couple seasons - I'd like to hear what they think now? Just a temporary setback?

Yep, I'd rather trade our 1st for either Cody Zeller or Kelly Olynyk... other long discussed targets from the 2013 draft.

Dark Faze · Post #1730 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:24 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Do we think EG is going to sit pat regardless while waiting for the KD2DC?

I'd say we'd try to get an underrated backup center from a team for a 2nd--that's EG's usual M.O, but we've given up our 2016, 2019 and 2020 second rounders already. And after seeing what happened with Clarkson I doubt he moves anymore.

I'd love to acquire Withey. I think that's the easiest target with the lowest price and the highest value. Maybe for Neal and Blair .

fishercob · Post #1731 » by **fishercob** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:33 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Do we think EG is going to sit pat regardless while waiting for the KD2DC?

I'd say we'd try to get an underrated backup center from a team for a 2nd--that's EG's usual M.O, but we've given up our 2016, 2019 and 2020 second rounders already. And after seeing what happened with Clarkson I doubt he moves anymore.

I'd love to acquire Withey. I think that's the easiest target with the lowest price and the highest value. Maybe for Neal and Blair .

We could have had him over the summer for the minimum. Presumably if we wanted him over Blair, he'd already be here.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1732 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:14 pm

Blair and Neal to Memphis for Barnes and JaMychal Green?

"Trade down and draft Demarcus Cousins plus a pick" 2010
"Kirk Cousins will be a starting QB" (even over Griffin) 2012
Dejuan Blair is as good as ever. 2015

Dark Faze · Post #1733 » by **Dark Faze** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:16 pm

I wonder if Nerlens could be had for a first at some point. It's possible that Simmons is trending towards being a PF in the NBA, and there are a number of top tier prospects that are PF's as well.

Post #1734 » by **nate33** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:26 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I wonder if Nerlens could be had for a first at some point. It's possible that Simmons is trending towards being a PF in the NBA, and there are a number of top tier prospects that are PF's as well.

Maybe if Philly concludes they don't want to pay him max or near-max money to play out of position, they would be willing to trade him at the Trade Deadline in his 4th season so that we could receive his RFA and Bird Rights. I think it would be a great move - particularly if it happens next year after we've added Durant. Noel would be our backup C and part time PF until he displaces Gortat at starting C.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1735 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:33 am

Dark Faze wrote:What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

Accidentally and 1'd.

I keep the first. Somebody on a rookie deal like Robert Carter interest me more than Alex with a couple less seasons on his deal.

Wizardspride · Post #1736 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:43 am

Dark Faze wrote:What do you guys think about our first this year for Alex Len?

I'd do that in heartbeat.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1737 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:48 am

What good would Len be? Is it common knowledge that he would be an upgrade? What about "March"? (Marcin Gortat)

Trading a first for a man nearing the end of his rookie deal seems dicey to me.

"Trade down and draft Demarcus Cousins plus a pick" 2010
"Kirk Cousins will be a starting QB" (even over Griffin) 2012
Dejuan Blair is as good as ever. 2015

fishercob · Post #1738 » by **fishercob** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:59 pm

Cousins' first quarter last night:

12 minutes (which was too many, he was clearly gassed), 13 points on 9 shots (1-2 from 3, 4-5 from the line), 4 boards, 2 assists, 2 turnovers, a foul, and one dirty reactionary elbow to Al Horford's head for which he probably should have been ejected.

He finished the game with 22 more minutes, 11 points on 11 more shots, 8 boards, an assist, a turnover and 3 more fouls. Giving him 35% of his minutes in the first 25% of the game probably wasn't the wisest idea; I wonder if he wore down and his production slipped.

He continues to be an enigma. He's having his best season (though the sample is small), he leads the league in usage, and remains a hothead. I'd still probably trade Beal for him.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1739 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:57 pm

Read Boogie Cousins postgame quotes, fish.

He's not that enigmatic to me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/millsaps-23-points-help-hawks-hold-off-kings-034440046--nba.html

Sacramento hurt itself with 20 turnovers.

''We let them play to their strength,'' said DeMarcus Cousins, who scored 24 points and pulled down 12 rebounds. ''They play well off turnovers and bad shots, and we took some bad shots.''

He's maturing (spot on recognition of his mistakes) but still prone to impulsive outbursts (elbow here comment there) when he feels provoked.

IMO-- DMC is Not unique and his temper is not that big of a deal unless he crosses the line and he ends up having to miss games.

"Trade down and draft Demarcus Cousins plus a pick" 2010
"Kirk Cousins will be a starting QB" (even over Griffin) 2012
Dejuan Blair is as good as ever. 2015

payitforward · Post #1740 » by **payitforward** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:33 pm

I don't care about Cousins' temper; I don't see it as a big deal. I don't have a problem w/ his "character" at all -- he has a personality, and he's passionate.

I care about his ability to put up numbers -- not just *some* numbers but across the board, because that's the way it is in basketball. Everyone does everything (some things more some less of course), and all of it influences wins and losses the same way no matter who is doing it. I.e. I don't worry about a quarterback's ability to tackle, but I do worry about a point guard's rebounding.

It's too few minutes to matter, but Cousins is *not* having "his best season." He's had some monster games, you bet. He'll have more too, because he's unbelievably gifted. But...

...though he's added the 3, and is shooting it well, his 2 pt. % is down. Overall, his TS% is .55 -- it was .54% last year. That's a little better, yes, and his turnovers are down some too -- also better. But his defensive rebounds, steals, blocks and assists have all dropped. Overall, using any measure but PER, he's actually a little down off of last year. His PER is up very very slightly (0.8).*

* Keep in mind that PER rewards volume shooters for their misses as well as their makes. E.g. look at Cousins' numbers vs. for example DeAndre Jordan. Leaving aside shooting, Jordan does most everything better. More rebounds, way fewer fouls, way fewer turnovers, almost as many steals, way more blocks, etc. But, every 40 minutes, Cousins makes 13+ more points shooting the ball than Jordan.

Yet, to do that, he has to take 17+ extra shots! That's 39% on the extra shots -- awful, but those misses *help* rather than hurt his PER. Even w/ Jordan's horrendous FT shooting, his TS% is .60 to Cousins' .56. And, he's better at everything else. Still, his PER is 18 to Cousins' 25