Political Roundtable Part VIII

[Kanyewest]

I think the political correctness of the past where we label everyone as sexist, racist or fascist if they don't agree with our perspective on the world. And that has rebounded where folks just don't pay attention to the rants any longer.

This article is a perfect example - Trump = fascist, Trump = own army; it gets old and you eventually just ignore it.

It didn't really seem like you read the article, given that the guy says this

First of all, let me preface it by saying that I’m very, very reluctant to use the word fascism loosely, because it’s almost the most powerful epithet you can use. I guess child molester might be a little more powerful but not much.

And the guy literally wrote a book about it, so I wouldn't say he's just some doofus drawing false comparisons. http://www.amazon.com/dp/1400033918/?tag=slatmaga-20

This seems to be the overall problem with calling anyone fascist, even someone calling a Democratic fascist because it tends to end the conversation as the side that is criticized will not listen to any criticisms. That being said, I'm not really sure Trump is going to be one that has a constructive campaign going forward given that he usually insults his critics rather than using facts.

[Zonkerbl]

I think the political correctness of the past where we label everyone as sexist, racist or fascist if they don't agree with our perspective on the world. And that has rebounded where folks just don't pay attention to the rants any longer.

This article is a perfect example - Trump = fascist, Trump = own army; it gets old and you eventually just ignore it.

Wow, I am really, really tired of the term "political correctness."

I stop reading after that point. It's the grown up equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

The people who use the term are not just poor listeners. They are deliberately tuning out important things that people are trying to tell them.

[Illuminaire]

Wow, I am really, really tired of the term "political correctness."

I stop reading after that point. It's the grown up equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

The people who use the term are not just poor listeners. They are deliberately tuning out important things that people are trying to tell them.

Be the change you want to see?

That observation aside, how could people better communicate with you about the issue (or perception) of over-sensitivity? "Political correctness" is the common vernacular for this.

[tontoz]

Wow, I am really, really tired of the term "political correctness."

I stop reading after that point. It's the grown up equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

The people who use the term are not just poor listeners. They are deliberately tuning out important things that people are trying to tell them.

Be the change you want to see?

That observation aside, how could people better communicate with you about the issue (or perception) of over-sensitivity? "Political correctness" is the common vernacular for this.

LOL yeah that reminds me of this story about a pot and a kettle....

[DCZards]

I think the political correctness of the past where we label everyone as sexist, racist or fascist if they don't agree with our perspective on the world. And that has rebounded where folks just don't pay attention to the rants any longer.

This article is a perfect example - Trump = fascist, Trump = own army; it gets old and you eventually just ignore it.

Wow, I am really, really tired of the term "political correctness."

I stop reading after that point. It's the grown up equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

The people who use the term are not just poor listeners. They are deliberately tuning out important things that people are trying to tell them.

Trump has used the term "political correctness" to hide behind and somehow justify his disparaging of women (e.g. Carly Fiorina), the disabled (e.g. the reporter he made fun of), Muslims, Hispanics, his political opponents and anyone else he seeks to insult or verbally bully. It's sickening.

Yet somehow Trump's supporters (including so-called evangelicals) seem to have no problem with his uncalled for and needless demeaning of other human beings.

[Zonkerbl]

"Politically Correct" is NOT the common vernacular for this. "Politically correct" is code invented by conservatives for "I want to be able to say racist, sexist things without being called out for it." If you use the word politically correct it means you are not participating in the conversation, you are being deliberately ignorant. Nothing you say after that carries any weight.

I won't apologize for not listening to anything someone says after they yell, "HEY N*****!" and I won't listen to anything someone says after they say "politically correct."

[tontoz]

"Politically Correct" is NOT the common vernacular for this."Politically correct" is code invented by conservatives for "I want to be able to say racist, sexist things without being called out for it." If you use the word politically correct it means you are not participating in the conversation, you are being deliberately ignorant. Nothing you say after that carries any weight.

I won't apologize for not listening to anything someone says after they yell, "HEY N*****!" and I won't listen to anything someone says after they say "politically correct."

Do you have any documentation to prove this, or are you just making stuff up?

[Ruzious]

Wow, I am really, really tired of the term "political correctness."

I stop reading after that point. It's the grown up equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

The people who use the term are not just poor listeners. They are deliberately tuning out important things that people are trying to tell them.

Be the change you want to see?

That observation aside, how could people better communicate with you about the issue (or perception) of over-sensitivity? "Political correctness" is the common vernacular for this.

It's at the point where too many people use the term as justification to be bleeps. It's out-lived its usefulness or gotten so twisted that it's lost its usefulness.

[pineappleheadindc]

Marco Rubio drops out of the race delivering a really good speech.

[Illuminaire]

"Politically Correct" is NOT the common vernacular for this. "Politically correct" is code invented by conservatives for "I want to be able to say racist, sexist things without being called out for it." If you use the word politically correct it means you are not participating in the conversation, you are being deliberately ignorant. Nothing you say after that carries any weight.

I won't apologize for not listening to anything someone says after they yell, "HEY N*****!" and I won't listen to anything someone says after they say "politically correct."

OK, so... I asked how you would prefer to communicate. Are you going to answer that, or do you just not want to have conversations about subjects relating to the existence (or perception) of over-sensitivity?

Sure, some people have twisted or abused the term. This happens to many terms, and the way we determine the usage is by context, and the context in question here did not appear to be anything close to the version you are so offended by. Certainly not on the level of a racist slur.

So I ask once again, what term would you prefer people use? Or how else should they engage you in a civil conversation about the topic?

[Benjammin]

Don't hit Pine with those micro aggressions and insults or are those terms off limits also? I'll brush up on my Orwell in the mean time.

[Illuminaire]

It's at the point where too many people use the term as justification to be bleeps. It's out-lived its usefulness or gotten so twisted that it's lost its usefulness.

That may very well be the case, and fair enough! But completely shutting out another person because they are using a term that they may be using in a reasonable or innocent fashion is a terrible way to reach any sort of understanding. It is an extreme position that actively prevents communication - the conversational equivalent of Trump foreign policy.

(I say the above as a tongue-in-cheek metaphor. But I think there is some merit in pointing out the downside of building social walls )

I also agree that if a term has become problematic, pointing that out and explaining why is a worthwhile thing to do. I just think that the scorched earth approach is.... less than productive.

[dckingsfan]

I think the political correctness of the past where we label everyone as sexist, racist or fascist if they don't agree with our perspective on the world. And that has rebounded where folks just don't pay attention to the rants any longer.

This article is a perfect example - Trump = fascist, Trump = own army; it gets old and you eventually just ignore it.

Wow, I am really, really tired of the term "political correctness."

I stop reading after that point. It's the grown up equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling ""

The people who use the term are not just poor listeners. They are deliberately tuning out important things that people are trying to tell them.

LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
Trump has used the term "political correctness" to hide behind and somehow justify his disparaging of women (e.g. Carly Fiorina), the disabled (e.g. the reporter he made fun of), Muslims, Hispanics, his political opponents and anyone else he seeks to insult or verbally bully. It's sickening.

Yet somehow Trump's supporters (including so-called evangelicals) seem to have no problem with his uncalled for and needless demeaning of other human beings.

Well, you guys have the "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" part down. Trump has been able to use a judo move on the political correctness agenda that has been so effectively used by progressives. I haven't figured out how he has been able to do this but they are coming out of the woodwork to support him.

I get that you guys don't like this - neither do I. But WHY is he able to get away with it? WHY has it been so effective? WHY are the progressives so tuned out in the cycle?

[montestewart]

"Politically Correct" is NOT the common vernacular for this. "Politically correct" is code invented by conservatives for "I want to be able to say racist, sexist things without being called out for it." If you use the word politically correct it means you are not participating in the conversation, you are being deliberately ignorant. Nothing you say after that carries any weight.

I won't apologize for not listening to anything someone says after they yell, "HEY N*****!" and I won't listen to anything someone says after they say "politically correct."

OK, so... I asked how you would prefer to communicate. Are you going to answer that, or do you just not want to have conversations about subjects relating to the existence (or perception) of over-sensitivity?

Sure, some people have twisted or abused the term. This happens to many terms, and the way we determine the usage is by context, and the context in question here did not appear to be anything close to the version you are so offended by. Certainly not on the level of a racist slur.

So I ask once again, what term would you prefer people use? Or how else should they engage you in a civil conversation about the topic?

I can see you're trying to have a sincere discussion about this, and Z is a little wound up. With its reactionary history, "politically correct" is too loaded a term. It sounds a lot like a bunch of white males asking who let all the women, blacks, gays, etc. into the conversation.

I've experienced so-called "political correctness" and have apparently often been "politically incorrect" (just ask AFM). I still think they're pretty useless terms lacking universally defined meanings. Why not just use the term "over-sensitive"? It might be just as subjective, but it doesn't have the baggage of "politically correct."

[dckingsfan]

Marco Rubio drops out of the race delivering a really good speech.

Interesting that he is finally framing the anger in a meaningful way - should have done this earlier... blaming the "political establishment"

[dckingsfan]

Thinks that Islam hates the US - around 10 min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zgvP4V8xE

[dckingsfan]

Looks like Kasich will win Ohio and stay in the race... and like Pine says, no more Rubio. And Clinton puts the hurt on Sanders.

[dckingsfan]

[nate33]

Trump's big win in Illinois is significant. He might end up taking all the delegates even though it wasn't a winner take all state. It almost makes up for losing Ohio. Between the two states, Trump could end up with 69 delegates, Kasich gets 66, and Cruz gets 0. This means Trump goes up +69 over Cruz and Kasich stays in the race to split the anti-Trump vote going forward.

That's almost better than a scenario where Trump wins Ohio and splits Illinois with Cruz. In that alternate scenario, Trump would have gotten 101 delegates, Cruz about 35, and Kasich 0. Trump would have only moved up +66 relative to Cruz, and Kasich would have dropped out of the race.

[CobraCommander]

Trump's big win in Illinois is significant. He might end up taking all the delegates even though it wasn't a winner take all state. It almost makes up for losing Ohio. Between the two states, Trump could end up with 69 delegates, Kasich gets 66, and Cruz gets 0. This means Trump goes up +69 over Cruz and Kasich stays in the race to split the anti-Trump vote going forward.

That's almost better than a scenario where Trump wins Ohio and splits Illinois with Cruz. In that alternate scenario, Trump would have gotten 101 delegates, Cruz about 35, and Kasich 0. Trump would have only moved up +66 relative to Cruz, and Kasich would have dropped out of the race.

Wow that's a great point... Trump stomping them out...but instead of Tims he doing it in his socks now. But he still more than the front runner...his is the Canidate now.