Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Latest Bleacher Report trade ideas has Frazier, Smith and first-round pick to Memphis for James Ennis and Tyreke Evans. Not sure I'd do that to get two more expiring contracts for another first-rounder. They can help the offense no doubt. But who knows how they'll fit in the last couple of months with Wall and Beal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754679-nba-trade-ideas-could-cavs-brooklyn-pick-get-them-kemba-walker

Evans would really help this year, but this trade will never happen. Evans gets a big raise next year and we couldn't afford him. Just throwing away the pick again.

That is Ernie style to throw away the pick.

The right answer is don't waste the pick; but, I'm kind of intrigued by the talent that the Wizards could get in the short run.

[Dat2U]

Latest Bleacher Report trade ideas has Frazier, Smith and first-round pick to Memphis for James Ennis and Tyreke Evans. Not sure I'd do that to get two more expiring contracts for another first-rounder. They can help the offense no doubt. But who knows how they'll fit in the last couple of months with Wall and Beal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754679-nba-trade-ideas-could-cavs-brooklyn-pick-get-them-kemba-walker

Evans would really help this year, but this trade will never happen. Evans gets a big raise next year and we couldn't afford him. Just throwing away the pick again.

That is Ernie style to throw away the pick.

The right answer is don't waste the pick; but, I'm kind of intrigued by the talent that the Wizards could get in the short run.



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Yuck. Solves nothing long term. Iffy fit short term.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

A player who can help the Wizards in the short run is Bobby Portis.

They need help in the frontcourt. Portas is exactly what they should have drafted when they gave up a assets to get Kelly Oubre. They are the top scores off the bench in the NBA. Two of the top three I forget the other one.

[NatP4]

It's arguable if he's better than Wall now at his worst. I don't necessarily have any problem with Otto. Just that he's way too passive and I don't see any drive in him to be more aggressive. Which makes him overpaid.

The only thing Beal has over Wall at the moment is a slightly more consistent jumpshot. Other than that, they pretty much have the same flaws this year. Give me the proven commodity. Like I said. I've seen what Wall is capable of. I rather ride with that than Mr. 50 points on 45 shots and FT choke artist. No thanks.

Mr. 50 points on 45 shots? Who is that again? Not the guy averaging 19 points on 16 shots? With the .514 TS?? Or the 71% free throw shooting?

Oh you meant the guy shooting 80% from the free throw line with a .560 TS%??

People are wayyyyyy too down on Beal, he’s averaging an efficient 23-4-4 for the 2nd year in a row, and he’s much improved defensively, actually pretty good. Also, him, Porter, Oubre, and Sato are the only guys that consistently play hard every night.

No, Beal deserves the criticism that is coming to him. I love the guy, but I’m not going to excuse him for his atrocious 4th quarter play. Especially from a shooter of his caliber. Hopefully he’ll get out his slump soon.
I also don’t agree with him & Otto consistently playing hard every night, at least compared to last season. Really, Oubre & Sato are the only ones that I’ve seen has their shoes ready to go every night. Scott too if you want to include him.

The 4th quarter criticism is fair I guess, but overall, he’s really having a great season again and playing at a superstar level. Remember, crunch time doesn’t count for more than the rest of the game.

I do think the effort level has dipped with Otto at times this year for some reason. I never thought I would see him not even try to box out on a game winning free throw and give up an easy putback to lose the game. But 95% of the time those guys will do whatever it takes to win.

To be honest, I really think there’s only two guys on the team that consistently give **** effort.

[FAH1223]

A player who can help the Wizards in the short run is Bobby Portis.

They need help in the frontcourt. Portas is exactly what they should have drafted when they gave up a assets to get Kelly Oubre. They are the top scores off the bench in the NBA. Two of the top three I forget the other one.



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Rather have Portis than Morris.

Also, Portis like Oubre will be a RFA in 2019

[FAH1223]

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[Dark Faze]

Looks like the Hornets are gonna fire sale which makes sense.

I'd like Dwight, but his increased salary and the fact that we'd probably have to give up an asset to swing the deal makes it pretty infeasible. And Charlotte won't be moving a guy like Zeller I don't think.

[pcbothwel]

Looks like the Hornets are gonna fire sale which makes sense.

I'd like Dwight, but his increased salary and the fact that we'd probably have to give up an asset to swing the deal makes it pretty infeasible. And Charlotte won't be moving a guy like Zeller I don't think.

Yeah, this is about the time the bottom feeders start putting out the For Sale signs.

What about Morris, Smith, Meeks, and our 1st for Marvin Williams and Monk?

Really depends on how they value Monk, but we upgrade our PF spot and get cheap 6th man and combo guard. They cut a year off of Williams contract and get a 1st...

[nate33]

Evans would really help this year, but this trade will never happen. Evans gets a big raise next year and we couldn't afford him. Just throwing away the pick again.

That is Ernie style to throw away the pick.

The right answer is don't waste the pick; but, I'm kind of intrigued by the talent that the Wizards could get in the short run.



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Yuck. Solves nothing long term. Iffy fit short term.

Agreed. I really don't think EG is going to trade that pick for a short-term fix that turns our 46-ish win team into 49-ish win team. If they trade the pick, it will be to save significant luxtax dollars.

[nate33]

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How about John Wall + Marcin Gortat for Kemba Walker + Cody Zeller?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Kemba is the same age as Wall, arguably just as good, and he costs just $12M a year. We swap Gortat for a much younger version. It solves our immediate luxtax problems and clears up some long term luxtax issues, all while retaining the pick.

The only problem is that we can't trade Wall until July 26th, which is after the luxtax calculation is worked out. So I guess it doesn't get us out of the luxtax this year, but it really does clear up a lot of long term problems for us.

For Charlotte, it gets them a "superstar" locked into a long term deal that will hopefully keep fans in the seats in a small market.

[deneem4]

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How about John Wall + Marcin Gortat for Kemba Walker + Cody Zeller?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Kemba is the same age as Wall, arguably just as good, and he costs just $12M a year. We swap Gortat for a much younger version. It solves our immediate luxtax problems and clears up some long term luxtax issues, all while retaining the pick.

The only problem is that we can't trade Wall until July 26th, which is after the luxtax calculation is worked out. So I guess it doesn't get us out of the luxtax this year, but it really does clear up a lot of long term problems for us.

For Charlotte, it gets them a "superstar" locked into a long term deal that will hopefully keep fans in the seats in a small market.

[Ruzious]

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How about John Wall + Marcin Gortat for Kemba Walker + Cody Zeller?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Kemba is the same age as Wall, arguably just as good, and he costs just $12M a year. We swap Gortat for a much younger version. It solves our immediate luxtax problems and clears up some long term luxtax issues, all while retaining the pick.

The only problem is that we can't trade Wall until July 26th, which is after the luxtax calculation is worked out. So I guess it doesn't get us out of the luxtax this year, but it really does clear up a lot of long term problems for us.

For Charlotte, it gets them a "superstar" locked into a long term deal that will hopefully keep fans in the seats in a small market.

I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

[nate33]

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How about John Wall + Marcin Gortat for Kemba Walker + Cody Zeller?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Kemba is the same age as Wall, arguably just as good, and he costs just $12M a year. We swap Gortat for a much younger version. It solves our immediate luxtax problems and clears up some long term luxtax issues, all while retaining the pick.

The only problem is that we can't trade Wall until July 26th, which is after the luxtax calculation is worked out. So I guess it doesn't get us out of the luxtax this year, but it really does clear up a lot of long term problems for us.

For Charlotte, it gets them a "superstar" locked into a long term deal that will hopefully keep fans in the seats in a small market.

Kemba Walker, plus the $20+ million in extra money because of his cheaper contract, will do more to help our ball club than John Wall alone. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Kemba is a better player than Wall from ages 30-33 because I think Wall is going to decline pretty quickly once he loses a step.



Kemba scores 2 more points on the same number of shots with 2 few turnovers a game.

[nate33]

I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

It would be so perfect if that trade could be made right now because it would also solve our luxtax woes. Our team of the future would be:

PG Walker/Sato
SG Beal/Sato
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Morris/Porter
C Zeller/Mahinmi

That 8-man rotation costs a modest $108M next year and everyone except Mahinmi is 28 or younger. Meeks and Smith come off the books in 2019 in time to afford Oubre's and Kemba's new contracts, and then Mahinmi comes off the books a year later to give us some more flexibility.

One other benefit is that Sato could play a lot more minutes because his game would mesh quite well with Walker as Walker could play more of a SG role on offense with Sato guarding the SG on defense.

By next year, maybe Morris is moved and Porter plays PF full time. Also, we get to keep our 1st round pick and hopefully draft a young big man to groom as the rim protector to replace Mahinmi or as the pure PF to replace Morris in our 3-forward rotation.

[Wizardspride]

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How about John Wall + Marcin Gortat for Kemba Walker + Cody Zeller?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Kemba is the same age as Wall, arguably just as good, and he costs just $12M a year. We swap Gortat for a much younger version. It solves our immediate luxtax problems and clears up some long term luxtax issues, all while retaining the pick.

The only problem is that we can't trade Wall until July 26th, which is after the luxtax calculation is worked out. So I guess it doesn't get us out of the luxtax this year, but it really does clear up a lot of long term problems for us.

For Charlotte, it gets them a "superstar" locked into a long term deal that will hopefully keep fans in the seats in a small market.

I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

Frankly, I think you underestimate "the extreme Wall fanbase".

They'd have a fit if this deal happened.

I know I would lol

[deneem4]

I'm totally with nate on this one - I think it's a great idea assuming there's no poison pill provision that would prevent it. And because Kemba is a name player, it's something Wiz management could do without having a revolt from the extreme loyal Wall fanbase. Who doesn't like Kemba? And he happens to be a helluva player. And Cody'd be a real nice fit - as Dat pointed out a while back. I think Charlotte would jump at this trade.

It would be so perfect if that trade could be made right now because it would also solve our luxtax woes. Our team of the future would be:

PG Walker/Sato
SG Beal/Sato
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Morris/Porter
C Zeller/Mahinmi

That 8-man rotation costs a modest $108M next year and everyone except Mahinmi is 28 or younger. Meeks and Smith come off the books in 2019 in time to afford Oubre's and Kemba's new contracts, and then Mahinmi comes off the books a year later to give us some more flexibility.

One other benefit is that Sato could play a lot more minutes because his game would mesh quite well with Walker as Walker could play more of a SG role on offense with Sato guarding the SG on defense.

By next year, maybe Morris is moved and Porter plays PF full time. Also, we get to keep our 1st round pick and hopefully draft a young big man to groom as the rim protector to replace Mahinmi or as the pure PF to replace Morris in our 3-forward rotation.

Only to be swept by john wall on pnr with Howard while batum comes back to scoring form playing with a playmaking point guard...

That’s how our post season goes with this trade

[Wizardspride]

I'm not with the thought process behind trading John.

Ok. He's not worth 40-something mill a year...except for the fact that he earned that contract by making an all-nba team. The market is what the market is etc etc.

I mean we knew this was a possibility when he was balling last season.

If you didn't plan to pay him you (the Wizards) should have just moved him.

Heck, I hope Brad doesn't ever have a ridiculous season himself cause we might need to move him as well. Right?

Truth be told the player that we should be looking to move is Otto Porter...but that's just me.

[nate33]

I'm not with the thought process behind trading John.

Ok. He's not worth 40-something mill a year...except for the fact that he earned that contract by making an all-nba team. The market is what the market is etc etc.

I mean we knew this was a possibility when he was balling last season.

If you didn't plan to pay him you (the Wizards) should have just moved him.

Heck, I hope Brad doesn't ever have a ridiculous season himself cause we might need to move him as well. Right?

Truth be told the player that we should be looking to move is Otto Porter...but that's just me.

John is the player whose perceived value exceeds his actual value by the greatest extent. It makes him the best trade asset. Porter could be traded, but chances are, the return would be a player who isn't as good at doing the things that win games.

[nate33]

Only to be swept by john wall on pnr with Howard while batum comes back to scoring form playing with a playmaking point guard...

That’s how our post season goes with this trade

Maybe. Or maybe the post season goes with Wall shooting Charlotte out of a series by going 2-11 from midrange every night while committing 5 turnovers to go with his 11 assists.

I'm not hating on Wall. I'm merely acknowledging that he does a lot of bad things to lose games in addition to all the good things he does to win games. Kemba doesn't do quite as many good things, but he does A LOT less bad things.

Just imagine having a reliable end-of-game ball handler who is also a reliable shot maker off the dribble. We haven't had a guy like that since Arenas, and Arenas won us a lot of ball games.

[dcstanley]

I’m not sure I would trade John but Kemba fits this team better than Wall:

Kemba
Beal
Otto
Oubre

Is a lethal shooting unit