Political Roundtable Part XVI

[dckingsfan]

In my 41 years on the planet I've never seen the GOP even pretend to care about income inequality.

Not even a little bit.

There have been exceptions here and there, like Jack Kemp, but it has been pretty consistent.

Here is what the Rs say but it has little influence on what they actually do:
https://gop.com/platform/restoring-the-american-dream/

[stilldropin20]

We have the income inequality of a third world country. That's a fact.

So let's take back Thee damn money!!!!! And do it in broad daylight!!!

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If that's what your ultimate goal is I believe you're supporting the wrong party.

In my 41 years on the planet I've never seen the GOP even pretend to care about income inequality.

Not even a little bit.

under the Clinton regime, D's abandoned the middle class in congress. little to no legislation to help them. In fact hurt them with bad trade deals, etc. . So D's have become a party of the poor with massive get out the vote campaigns in poor neighborhoods every 4 years. Literally picking up poor voters in vans, giving them a cheap lunch and a nice motivational speech along the way by a bought and paid for local church or civic "leader" like the one you just saw in alabama and then doing nothing for them for the entire 4 years in office. They figured out that this was easier than actually representing middle class voters in congress with legislation that middle class could judge for themselves at the ballot box. The middle class will hold your feet to the fire at the ballot in 4 years. The poor however are even more gullible than the middle class who as i said are already quite gullible.

trump took on middle class values during his campaign and is now seeing those pledges through with legislation. he knows he must perform to stay in office.

and thats why D's abandoned the middle class. the poor were easier to confuse and to sway. Along the way D's have come to represent wealthy special interests as much or more than R's. and whats worse is that D's and rino's represent globalist wealthy special interest. I mean, if i have to choose??? Give me a good old fashioned american uni-national, USA-centric billionaire over a globalist billionaire any day of the week. Otherwise we end up with bad trade deals that continue to kill our middle class, make them poor too. and we end up with even more people that are even easier to manipulate at the polls every 4 years.

[Wizardspride]

So let's take back Thee damn money!!!!! And do it in broad daylight!!!

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If that's what your ultimate goal is I believe you're supporting the wrong party.

In my 41 years on the planet I've never seen the GOP even pretend to care about income inequality.

Not even a little bit.

under the Clinton regime, D's abandoned the middle class in congress. little to no legislation to help them. In fact hurt them with bad trade deals, etc. . So D's have become a party of the poor with massive get out the vote campaigns in poor neighborhoods every 4 years. Literally picking up poor voters in vans, giving them a cheap lunch and a nice motivational speech along the way by a bought and paid for local church or civic "leader" like the one you just saw in alabama and then doing nothing for them for the entire 4 years in office. They figured out that this was easier than actually representing middle class voters in congress with legislation that middle class could judge for themselves at the ballot box. The middle class will hold your feet to the fire at the ballot in 4 years. The poor however are even more gullible than the middle class who as i said are already quite gullible.

trump took on middle class values during his campaign and is now seeing those pledges through with legislation. he knows he must perform to stay in office.

and thats why D's abandoned the middle class. the poor were easier to confuse and to sway. Along the way D's have come to represent wealthy special interests as much or more than R's. and whats worse is that D's and rino's represent globalist wealthy special interest. I mean, if i have to choose??? Give me a good old fashioned american uni-national, USA-centric billionaire over a globalist billionaire any day of the week. Otherwise we end up with bad trade deals that continue to kill our middle class, make them poor too. and we end up with even more people that are even easier to manipulate at the polls every 4 years.

I guess we'll agree to disagree cause this tax bill doesn't scream "middle class" values to me.

[Wizardspride]

Even if you don't believe collusion took place there's no way to rationalize this.

None.


Although I'd like to see someone try. It should be good.

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[stilldropin20]

We have the income inequality of a third world country. That's a fact.

So let's take back Thee damn money!!!!! And do it in broad daylight!!!

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If that's what your ultimate goal is I believe you're supporting the wrong party.

In my 41 years on the planet I've never seen the GOP even pretend to care about income inequality.

Not even a little bit.

also,

what is the fascination with income inequality solely being about the poor and the middle class. why cant it be more about between the middle class and the uber elite leisure class????

making it about the poor and the middle is a trick the uber elite play on both the poor and the middle.

Take the wealth from the uber elites and give to the middle!!!!! then and only then do you make more and real plathways open for the poor to become middle class. otherwise you are just taking from the middle class which is stupid policy. it doesn't work. It only ends up with a larger poor class of people and a smaller middle class.

[Wizardspride]

So let's take back Thee damn money!!!!! And do it in broad daylight!!!

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If that's what your ultimate goal is I believe you're supporting the wrong party.

In my 41 years on the planet I've never seen the GOP even pretend to care about income inequality.

Not even a little bit.

also,

what is the fascination with income inequality solely being about the poor and the middle class. why cant it be more about between the middle class and the uber elite leisure class????

making it about the poor and the middle is a trick the uber elite play on both the poor and the middle.

Take the wealth from the uber elites and give to the middle!!!!! then and only then do you make more and real plathways open for the poor to become middle class. otherwise you are just taking from the middle class which is stupid policy. it doesn't work. It only ends up with a larger poor class of people and a smaller middle class.

Who said it's only between those two groups?

I'm talking about all three groups and everyone in between.

[Wizardspride]

This would end up hurting the Ds in the long-run.

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I agree this would be a bad move. Franken would have been long since fired in the private sector.

I think the democrats may have done the right thing politically but the more I read, the more I have my doubts if they did the RIGHT thing.

[Zonkerbl]

Both parties are bought and paid for by lobbyists and wall street. The Democrats are only a little bit less repulsive, but it does the classic working class, union supporting Dem-voters a disservice when we turn a blind eye to the corruption within the Democratic party.

You say bought and paid for, I say professional representative of constituents. There's nothing wrong with exercising your right to free speech. If you're going to condemn politicians for representing the people who care enough to fund their elections you're shutting yourself out of the political dialogue entirely. The internet has made it possible for a large number of small donors to drown out the voices of a small number of wealthy donors - as long as you stay engaged in the process.

LOL so you think it's okay for Joe Manchin to vote against coal mining regulation because the coal mining industry "has the right to exercise their free speech" by giving him hundreds of thousands of dollars towards his campaign? It's okay for Claire McCaskill to vote against single-payer, even though her constituency overwhelmingly wanted it, because the healthcare companies were "exercising free speech" by giving her millions of dollars?

C'mon dude...that's not a democracy. That's corruption. And if you can show me an example of a corporate, establishment politician ignoring their large donors for small ones, I want to see that. Sounds like you're making excuses.

YES GODDAMMIT. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. FAIR has NOTHING to do with it. Sitting in your corner whining IT'S NOT FAIR, I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME, I QUIT.

COWARD.

Do I think it's right that billionaires get their way because jerks like you sit on their hands and let them get away with it? You're goddam right it's wrong and it's YOUR FAULT.

Who gets to decide what's right and wrong in this country? The cave trolls who sit in their mother's basements whining about mean billionaires taking everything unopposed? Or the people who stand up to the bullies and fight?

[stilldropin20]

You say bought and paid for, I say professional representative of constituents. There's nothing wrong with exercising your right to free speech. If you're going to condemn politicians for representing the people who care enough to fund their elections you're shutting yourself out of the political dialogue entirely. The internet has made it possible for a large number of small donors to drown out the voices of a small number of wealthy donors - as long as you stay engaged in the process.

LOL so you think it's okay for Joe Manchin to vote against coal mining regulation because the coal mining industry "has the right to exercise their free speech" by giving him hundreds of thousands of dollars towards his campaign? It's okay for Claire McCaskill to vote against single-payer, even though her constituency overwhelmingly wanted it, because the healthcare companies were "exercising free speech" by giving her millions of dollars?

C'mon dude...that's not a democracy. That's corruption. And if you can show me an example of a corporate, establishment politician ignoring their large donors for small ones, I want to see that. Sounds like you're making excuses.

YES GODDAMMIT. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. FAIR has NOTHING to do with it. Sitting in your corner whining IT'S NOT FAIR, I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME, I QUIT.

COWARD.

Do I think it's right that billionaires get their way because jerks like you sit on their hands and let them get away with it? You're goddam right it's wrong and it's YOUR FAULT.

Who gets to decide what's right and wrong in this country? The cave trolls who sit in their mother's basements whining about mean billionaires taking everything unopposed? Or the people who stand up to the bullies and fight?

Damn skippy!!!!

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[DCZards]

Just remember this. Donald Trump is dying to look Barrack Obama in the face and say, "I helped the poor. you didn't. I helped the middle class, you didnt. And Im still a billionaire!! you're not." help this man say these words to that man is all I got to say on this. and I will keep saying it here daily until it sinks in. It does NOT matter the motivation. The end game is all that matters. If you need to, just say Obama played a jedi mind trick on trump to motivate trump to do these things. whatever you need to tell yourself. Just help this man help you!!! If you show him loyalty he will become loyal. Thats how his kind of mind works. He gave Omarosa a job at the white house for christ sakes!!!!! And would have kept her if she played her cards more patiently. Donald trump is a billionaire who fancies himself a hero to the working class. Its not that uncommon for the wealthy to feel this way. He wants to help. let him help.

I'd add that there is nothing he has done since he became elected that has hurt the middle class or the poor. In fact he has helped them greatly with a strong economy, strong growth, and strong jobs numbers, historically low unemployment numbers, and the credit markets are flush with cash.

ah, but lets keep taking about russia gate! obstruction of justice gate!! puzzy gate!!!!! All in lieu of the real needle moving issues that matter.

Obama did nothing to help the poor and middle class. Give me a break. Under Obama, the unemployment rate went from 9.5% in June 2009 to 4.8% in January 2017. The unemployment rate in November 2017 was 4.1%.

Yet you want to give Trump huge props for reducing the unemployment rate .7% while Obama reduced it by almost 5%.

#45 is riding a positive economic wave left behind by #44.

On top of that, I believe history will show that universal healthcare (or Obamacare) will be one of best things to ever happen for our economy...and the poor and middle class.

Here’s some job growth "facts" that I hope you’ll find enlightening

Obama’s Final Jobs Report Marks 75 Consecutive Months of Growth
This is from a Jan. 6, 2017 CNN Money article:
Overall, President Obama has presided over 75 straight months of job gains, a record. It's a remarkable period, given that when he took office, the U.S. was losing about 800,000 jobs a month. Congress ... It took until May 2014 for the U.S. to finally gain back all the 8.7 million jobs lost during the downturn.
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2017/01/06/obama-economy-10-charts-final/2.html

How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs
Donald Trump's job record as president so far has been pretty good. It's just not as good as Barack Obama's.
Employers added 1,189,000 jobs in February through August, according to data released Friday.

That falls short of the 1,375,000 jobs created during Obama's last seven months.

At the current pace, the U.S. would add about 1.9 million jobs in 2017. ... That would continue a downward trend since the economy added nearly 3 million net new jobs — an average of 250,000 a month — in 2014 in the best year of labor market growth since the late 1990s.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/01/news/economy/jobs-trump-vs-obama/index.html?sr=twCNN090117economy0209PMVODtopLink

This is from a Sept. 20, 2017 article in Politifact, which takes into account the job growth numbers through August 2017.

The highest monthly job gain under Trump -- 232,000 -- was exceeded in 28 separate months on Obama’s watch.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/

This is from a Dec. 8, 2017 article (see link below):

In the nine months beginning in February, the economy has added 163,000 jobs per month on average. In the three years before Trump took office, job growth was higher (250,000 per month in 2014, 226,000 per month in 2015 and 187,000 per month in 2016).
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/12/08/economy/under-trump-administration-so-far-monthly-job-creation-has-continued

Wages also started to inch up under the Obama Administration. This is from a January 7, 2017 article:

Having a job is one thing. Having a job that pays well is another. And slowly through Obama's tenure, those wages have inched upward. In fact, wages were one bright spot of Friday's jobs report. Average hourly wages were up by 2.9 percent in December. After several years of hovering around 2 percent, that's welcome growth.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

[gtn130]

I think that's what I said (implied)? The Rs are guilty by association - no? Tax bill, no movement forward on healthcare, support of Trump (sexist, racist).

I don't agree that the Republicans have gone along with Trump - they made Trump.

Let's agree to disagree...

We can if you'd like, but it's tough for me to see how the GOP didn't enable Trump when they more or less welcomed his birther claims with open arms.

[Wizardspride]

Read this guys.

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[stilldropin20]

The gop was wise enough to see trump was there only path to victory.

Conversely the dems did not realize that Bernie was their only path to victory.

Since then the dems have realized they have only one path in 2020. Impeachment. The problem is they're so stupid about how they're getting it done and too desperate about how they're getting it done that they are crossing the lines of legality. If not optically for sure.

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[stilldropin20]

The gop was wise enough to see trump was there only path to victory.

Conversely the dems did not realize that Bernie was their only path to victory.

Since then the dems have realized they have only one path in 2020. Impeachment. The problem is they're so stupid about how they're getting it done and too desperate about how they're getting it done that they are crossing the lines of legality. If not optically for sure.

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But no. Gop didn't make trump. He made them.

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[dckingsfan]

I don't agree that the Republicans have gone along with Trump - they made Trump.

Let's agree to disagree...

We can if you'd like, but it's tough for me to see how the GOP didn't enable Trump when they more or less welcomed his birther claims with open arms.

There was a period of time where 1/3 of Democrats believed that George Bush helped plan or at least knew all about the attack on the World Trade Center before September 11.

Did Ds make Hillary?

I think your anger is misdirected. It should be at the DNC, the Hillary nomination and the really bad campaign she waged.

[stilldropin20]

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[Wizardspride]

Just remember this. Donald Trump is dying to look Barrack Obama in the face and say, "I helped the poor. you didn't. I helped the middle class, you didnt. And Im still a billionaire!! you're not." help this man say these words to that man is all I got to say on this. and I will keep saying it here daily until it sinks in. It does NOT matter the motivation. The end game is all that matters. If you need to, just say Obama played a jedi mind trick on trump to motivate trump to do these things. whatever you need to tell yourself. Just help this man help you!!! If you show him loyalty he will become loyal. Thats how his kind of mind works. He gave Omarosa a job at the white house for christ sakes!!!!! And would have kept her if she played her cards more patiently. Donald trump is a billionaire who fancies himself a hero to the working class. Its not that uncommon for the wealthy to feel this way. He wants to help. let him help.

I'd add that there is nothing he has done since he became elected that has hurt the middle class or the poor. In fact he has helped them greatly with a strong economy, strong growth, and strong jobs numbers, historically low unemployment numbers, and the credit markets are flush with cash.

ah, but lets keep taking about russia gate! obstruction of justice gate!! puzzy gate!!!!! All in lieu of the real needle moving issues that matter.

Obama did nothing to help the poor and middle class. Give me a break. Under Obama, the unemployment rate went from 9.5% in June 2009 to 4.8% in January 2017. The unemployment rate in November 2017 was 4.1%.

Yet you want to give Trump huge props for reducing the unemployment rate .7% while Obama reduced it by almost 5%.

#45 is riding a positive economic wave left behind by #44.

On top of that, I believe history will show that universal healthcare (or Obamacare) will be one of best things to ever happen for our economy...and the poor and middle class.

Here’s some job growth "facts" that I hope you’ll find enlightening

Obama’s Final Jobs Report Marks 75 Consecutive Months of Growth
This is from a Jan. 6, 2017 CNN Money article:
Overall, President Obama has presided over 75 straight months of job gains, a record. It's a remarkable period, given that when he took office, the U.S. was losing about 800,000 jobs a month. Congress ... It took until May 2014 for the U.S. to finally gain back all the 8.7 million jobs lost during the downturn.
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2017/01/06/obama-economy-10-charts-final/2.html

How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs
Donald Trump's job record as president so far has been pretty good. It's just not as good as Barack Obama's.
Employers added 1,189,000 jobs in February through August, according to data released Friday.

That falls short of the 1,375,000 jobs created during Obama's last seven months.

At the current pace, the U.S. would add about 1.9 million jobs in 2017. ... That would continue a downward trend since the economy added nearly 3 million net new jobs — an average of 250,000 a month — in 2014 in the best year of labor market growth since the late 1990s.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/01/news/economy/jobs-trump-vs-obama/index.html?sr=twCNN090117economy0209PMVODtopLink

This is from a Sept. 20, 2017 article in Politifact, which takes into account the job growth numbers through August 2017.

The highest monthly job gain under Trump -- 232,000 -- was exceeded in 28 separate months on Obama’s watch.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/

This is from a Dec. 8, 2017 article (see link below):

In the nine months beginning in February, the economy has added 163,000 jobs per month on average. In the three years before Trump took office, job growth was higher (250,000 per month in 2014, 226,000 per month in 2015 and 187,000 per month in 2016).
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/12/08/economy/under-trump-administration-so-far-monthly-job-creation-has-continued

Wages also started to inch up under the Obama Administration. This is from a January 7, 2017 article:

Having a job is one thing. Having a job that pays well is another. And slowly through Obama's tenure, those wages have inched upward. In fact, wages were one bright spot of Friday's jobs report. Average hourly wages were up by 2.9 percent in December. After several years of hovering around 2 percent, that's welcome growth.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

This needs to be pinned lol

[stilldropin20]

Just remember this. Donald Trump is dying to look Barrack Obama in the face and say, "I helped the poor. you didn't. I helped the middle class, you didnt. And Im still a billionaire!! you're not." help this man say these words to that man is all I got to say on this. and I will keep saying it here daily until it sinks in. It does NOT matter the motivation. The end game is all that matters. If you need to, just say Obama played a jedi mind trick on trump to motivate trump to do these things. whatever you need to tell yourself. Just help this man help you!!! If you show him loyalty he will become loyal. Thats how his kind of mind works. He gave Omarosa a job at the white house for christ sakes!!!!! And would have kept her if she played her cards more patiently. Donald trump is a billionaire who fancies himself a hero to the working class. Its not that uncommon for the wealthy to feel this way. He wants to help. let him help.

I'd add that there is nothing he has done since he became elected that has hurt the middle class or the poor. In fact he has helped them greatly with a strong economy, strong growth, and strong jobs numbers, historically low unemployment numbers, and the credit markets are flush with cash.

ah, but lets keep taking about russia gate! obstruction of justice gate!! puzzy gate!!!!! All in lieu of the real needle moving issues that matter.

Obama did nothing to help the poor and middle class. Give me a break. Under Obama, the unemployment rate went from 9.5% in June 2009 to 4.8% in January 2017. The unemployment rate in November 2017 was 4.1%.

Yet you want to give Trump huge props for reducing the unemployment rate .7% while Obama reduced it by almost 5%.

#45 is riding a positive economic wave left behind by #44.

On top of that, I believe history will show that universal healthcare (or Obamacare) will be one of best things to ever happen for our economy...and the poor and middle class.

Here’s some job growth "facts" that I hope you’ll find enlightening

Obama’s Final Jobs Report Marks 75 Consecutive Months of Growth
This is from a Jan. 6, 2017 CNN Money article:
Overall, President Obama has presided over 75 straight months of job gains, a record. It's a remarkable period, given that when he took office, the U.S. was losing about 800,000 jobs a month. Congress ... It took until May 2014 for the U.S. to finally gain back all the 8.7 million jobs lost during the downturn.
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2017/01/06/obama-economy-10-charts-final/2.html

How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs
Donald Trump's job record as president so far has been pretty good. It's just not as good as Barack Obama's.
Employers added 1,189,000 jobs in February through August, according to data released Friday.

That falls short of the 1,375,000 jobs created during Obama's last seven months.

At the current pace, the U.S. would add about 1.9 million jobs in 2017. ... That would continue a downward trend since the economy added nearly 3 million net new jobs — an average of 250,000 a month — in 2014 in the best year of labor market growth since the late 1990s.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/01/news/economy/jobs-trump-vs-obama/index.html?sr=twCNN090117economy0209PMVODtopLink

This is from a Sept. 20, 2017 article in Politifact, which takes into account the job growth numbers through August 2017.

The highest monthly job gain under Trump -- 232,000 -- was exceeded in 28 separate months on Obama’s watch.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/

This is from a Dec. 8, 2017 article (see link below):

In the nine months beginning in February, the economy has added 163,000 jobs per month on average. In the three years before Trump took office, job growth was higher (250,000 per month in 2014, 226,000 per month in 2015 and 187,000 per month in 2016).
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/12/08/economy/under-trump-administration-so-far-monthly-job-creation-has-continued

Wages also started to inch up under the Obama Administration. This is from a January 7, 2017 article:

Having a job is one thing. Having a job that pays well is another. And slowly through Obama's tenure, those wages have inched upward. In fact, wages were one bright spot of Friday's jobs report. Average hourly wages were up by 2.9 percent in December. After several years of hovering around 2 percent, that's welcome growth.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

This needs to be pinned lol

So you guys can continue to lie to each other.

4.8-5% is about our norm since 1981. Obama git under it in 1 quarter!!! It if 8 years!!!!

You don't get credit for getting back to the norm!! We've been under 4.7 often. It's normal. Its when you get near 4.0 n under it are you moving needles.

Stock market was already at 14,000 n some change in 07. Took obama 6 years n 6 trillion to get back there. Then barely got over that. 18,000.

And he lost so many jobs in his first 2 years that he does nor getting any credit for getting them back.

I mean seriously what kind of lousy a statistics are you guys trying to use here???? You think we're fools.

And what's worse is he should have had the damn banks by the balls as I've said over and over. He could have crushed the bank's. nationalize them. Then made them healthy while writing off our entire national debt in the process and then sold the central Banks two different financiers. And while doing all of that he could have kept every single American in their homes that they already bought and purchased... writing offs ignition significant portions of their debt as well. The only losers would have been the billionaires. No American president will ever have that opportunity again most likely and he effing blew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Wizardspride]

Obama did nothing to help the poor and middle class. Give me a break. Under Obama, the unemployment rate went from 9.5% in June 2009 to 4.8% in January 2017. The unemployment rate in November 2017 was 4.1%.

Yet you want to give Trump huge props for reducing the unemployment rate .7% while Obama reduced it by almost 5%.

#45 is riding a positive economic wave left behind by #44.

On top of that, I believe history will show that universal healthcare (or Obamacare) will be one of best things to ever happen for our economy...and the poor and middle class.

Here’s some job growth "facts" that I hope you’ll find enlightening

This needs to be pinned lol

So you guys can continue to lie to each other.

4.8-5% is about our norm since 1981. Obama git under it in 1 quarter!!! It if 8 years!!!!

You don't get credit for getting back to the norm!! We've been under 4.7 often. It's normal. Its when you get near 4.0 n under it are you moving needles.

Stock market was already at 14,000 n some change in 07. Took obama 6 years n 6 trillion to get back there. Then barely got over that. 18,000.

And he lost so many jobs in his first 2 years that he does nor getting any credit for getting them back.

I mean seriously what kind of lousy a statistics are you guys trying to use here???? You think we're fools.

And what's worse is he should have had the damn banks by the balls as I've said over and over. He could have crushed the bank's. nationalize them. Then made them healthy while writing off our entire national debt in the process and then sold the central Banks two different financiers. And while doing all of that he could have kept every single American in their homes that they already bought and purchased... writing offs ignition significant portions of their debt as well. The only losers would have been the billionaires. No American president will ever have that opportunity again most likely and he effing blew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You act like Obama took office when things were just grand and he just wrecked it.

Are you sure you voted for Obama because I would expect you to know these things.

Do you realize how many jobs the economy was shedding per month when Obama entered office?

Research that and then post it for everyone to see.

We were in the worst recession since the early 30's (from reputable economists) so it took years to stabalize things.

And President Obama did that and got us to a point where the economy was growing.

We were in a big hole and we gradually rose out of it on his watch.

So yes, I will give him credit or "lie" as you put it.

Sorry if that offends you.


Let us know when you find those numbers I requested of you.

[closg00]

Loyalty oaths (Comey), purging the ranks, talks of creating his own spy networks etc etc.

Not to get all melodramatic but I'm concerned about where this is all headed...

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Random observation: Isn't it interesting how the intelligence agencies/DOJ suddenly became a bastion of liberalism?

You all know the narrative: "Obama's DOJ, The Deep State" etc etc

It's commonly known that these institutions (military as well) are probably more conservative than the general population.

It's just funny to watch Hannity and his deplorable ilk meltdown (and lie).

Trump truly wants to be Putin 2.0