Wizards 2019 Draft thread. (Tank for Zion, or OTHER NAME HERE)

[Ruzious]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Not even close. You could have least included Bridges. I would have still turned it down but it would have been semi respectable.

If Garland is there at 6, I'd consider Beal for 6, Bridges, and Phoenix' 2020 first (no more than a top 2 protection). Trade would have to be consumated after the draft to avoid Stepien rule. I'm assuming Phoenix has the cap space to absorb that deal - don't know if they do.

[Ruzious]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Nope, But we would probably trade you #9 to take john wall for tyler johnson, T.J. warren, Ellie Okobo and the rights to the bucks pick y'all own.

We can't keep making bad trades to dump bad contracts. That was the Grunfeld way. No more Grunfelding. We need to add talent.

[nate33]

I mean, Clippers got 2 firsts and a young prospect in return for Tobias Harris - a non all star on an expiring deal whose older then Beal. Beal is a 25 year old all star on a good contract coming off a 25-5-5 season. Trading Beal between now and next season’s trade deadline will net us the best return.

This is a good point. Tobias Harris was traded for far more than he is actually worth because the Clippers didn't go out and try and shop him out of desperation. They waited until a team really needed him.

That's what I'd do with Beal. I'd publicly state that we love and him and we're keeping him. I'd plan on keeping him. But I'm sure we'd get phone calls from other teams when they're desperate, and if they're desperate, I'd listen. Maybe we could get a king's ransom for him. But I wouldn't start burning up the phones proposing ways of giving Beal away. That's a sure way of getting 50 cents on the dollar.

[oddity]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Not even close. You could have least included Bridges. I would have still turned it down but it would have been semi respectable.

If Garland is there at 6, I'd consider Beal for 6, Bridges, and Phoenix' 2020 first (no more than a top 2 protection). Trade would have to be consumated after the draft to avoid Stepien rule. I'm assuming Phoenix has the cap space to absorb that deal - don't know if they do.

We do, but we would likely have to ship you TJ Warren to match salaries. I think that trade is pretty fair.

[Illmatic12]

The goal isn't tanking, the goal is getting the most for Beal while you can because you cannot win with him right now and eventually he's going to request a trade. I know he's playing the good soldier right now but all-NBA type players grow tired of 32-win type seasons very quickly.

Trading Bradley Beal for Ja Morant and Parsons is tanking. These trades you’ve been suggesting are tanking moves that will decimate the viability of the franchise for far longer than the duration of Wall or Beal’s contracts.

Beal has firmly indicated that he’s not demanding a trade. You don’t trade a 25yo All-NBA player prematurely because you’re scared that he *might* ask for a trade down the line. If he wants out then you cross that bridge then

Were losing one way or the other. What does it matter if its 22 or 32 wins? Waiting just delays the inevitable and by that time we may be looking at a Tobias Harris level package. I hate to sound like a broken record but be patient just means we get less when were forced to deal him.

Waiting means you don't get you a Ja Morant. Waiting does not get you a JJJ. Waiting gets you some B/C level assets and protected picks.

Bringing up Tobias Harris in fact disproves your own point. Clippers waited until the deadline before his free agency to trade him and they still got a massive haul. This was the return for a 4 month rental of Harris:

Landry Shamet (a very good SG prospect)
Wilson Chandler
Mike Muscala
Philadelphia’s own protected 2020 first-round pick
Miami Heat’s unprotected 2021 first-round pick
Detroit Pistons’ 2021 and 2023 second-round picks

Yet you are saying that the Wizards should panic-trade their All-NBA guard when he still has 2 full seasons before FA? Really??

Not to mention the optics on the business-side. How do you trade a 25yo homegrown star who has been vocal about wanting to stay, and then sell your fanbase on watching a season without Wall or Beal, the longtime beloved pillars of the franchise? And without any guarantee of being rewarded with a high draft pick down the line.

The NBA is a business and that is not how businesses operate. Trading Bradley Beal today for anything less than a godfather offer would be irresponsible management.

[Ruzious]

Not even close. You could have least included Bridges. I would have still turned it down but it would have been semi respectable.

If Garland is there at 6, I'd consider Beal for 6, Bridges, and Phoenix' 2020 first (no more than a top 2 protection). Trade would have to be consumated after the draft to avoid Stepien rule. I'm assuming Phoenix has the cap space to absorb that deal - don't know if they do.

We do, but we would likely have to ship you TJ Warren to match salaries. I think that trade is pretty fair.

I would do that - Beal for Garland, Bridges, Warren, and Phoenix' 2020 1st (top 2 protected).

Wiz would have 2 lotto picks in June and probably 2 in 2020 - and lots of young talent. I like it.

[Dat2U]

Trading Bradley Beal for Ja Morant and Parsons is tanking. These trades you’ve been suggesting are tanking moves that will decimate the viability of the franchise for far longer than the duration of Wall or Beal’s contracts.

Beal has firmly indicated that he’s not demanding a trade. You don’t trade a 25yo All-NBA player prematurely because you’re scared that he *might* ask for a trade down the line. If he wants out then you cross that bridge then

Were losing one way or the other. What does it matter if its 22 or 32 wins? Waiting just delays the inevitable and by that time we may be looking at a Tobias Harris level package. I hate to sound like a broken record but be patient just means we get less when were forced to deal him.

Waiting means you don't get you a Ja Morant. Waiting does not get you a JJJ. Waiting gets you some B/C level assets and protected picks.

Bringing up Tobias Harris in fact disproves your own point. Clippers waited until the deadline before his free agency to trade him and they still got a massive haul. This was the return for a 4 month rental of Harris:

Landry Shamet (a very good SG prospect)
Wilson Chandler
Mike Muscala
Philadelphia’s own protected 2020 first-round pick
Miami Heat’s unprotected 2021 first-round pick
Detroit Pistons’ 2021 and 2023 second-round picks

Yet you are saying that the Wizards should panic-trade their All-NBA guard when he still has 2 full seasons before FA? Really??

Not to mention the optics on the business-side. How do you trade a 25yo homegrown star who has been vocal about wanting to stay, and then sell your fanbase on watching a season without Wall or Beal, the longtime beloved pillars of the franchise? And without any guarantee of being rewarded with a high draft pick down the line.

The NBA is a business and that is not how businesses operate. Trading Bradley Beal today for anything less than a godfather offer would be irresponsible management.

So you would be happy with Landry Shamet as the best piece in a package for Beal???

If so, then what's the point in even having this discussion?

And what a player says publicly means absolutely nothing. It never has, never will. It only matters what they are saying behind closed doors.

It was known among insiders, J. Michael, former CSN beat reporter said it on twitter, Beal has wanted out for a long time. He had asked for a trade previously! He saying the right things now, but in January, when your 10 games under .500, old feelings rise back to the top!

[I_Like_Dirt]

This is a good point. Tobias Harris was traded for far more than he is actually worth because the Clippers didn't go out and try and shop him out of desperation. They waited until a team really needed him.

That's what I'd do with Beal. I'd publicly state that we love and him and we're keeping him. I'd plan on keeping him. But I'm sure we'd get phone calls from other teams when they're desperate, and if they're desperate, I'd listen. Maybe we could get a king's ransom for him. But I wouldn't start burning up the phones proposing ways of giving Beal away. That's a sure way of getting 50 cents on the dollar.

I don't disagree with the strategy, I'm just not sure getting actual full value for legitimate stars is a thing unless you're getting a roughly equal star in return somehow. There were teams out there who were contending who could pay full price for Harris and the Sixers wound up doing so. I don't think it was a good move by the Sixers but they did it anyway in part because they could afford to do so. The Sixers simply wouldn't have had the assets to make a Beal trade like that without gutting their core. That's sort of the thing about trading for stars, particularly ones that are facing UFA status in a year or two rather than RFA status. Rebuilding teams aren't going to want them unless they have a line on acquiring another star or two at the same time, so they're out in terms of paying full price. Contending teams are going to want them but contending teams are contenders because they have very good supporting casts and aren't likely to risk shaking things up unless they're getting the better end of the deal somehow - they aren't likely to have a truckload of rebuilding assets.

I know people look at Kawhi Leonard and talk about only having one year left on his contract and was clearly on his way out from the Spurs, and those are different dynamics, but I'd suggest that the fact that he was so much better than Beal (not an insult to Beal) changes the equation more to his favor. He got a lesser star with 2 years before becoming a UFA in Derozan, a recent lottery pick who was good but hadn't shown any signs of future stardom in Poeltl and a late 1st rounder. Beal is better than Derozan, but far closer to Derozan's value than Kawhi's. I think the Wizards could do a Beal+ for a better player like Anthony Davis but they aren't as good of a team as the Raptors were when they made that trade. There will be loads of teams willing to trade for Beal. Finding teams willing to pay for him is another matter. I do sort of wonder if there wouldn't be something that might be done centered around Pascal Siakam, though. Not sure if that's a good trade for either team and it would need to involve other players to make the salaries work but the Raptors might be one of the better trade partners for Beal in general. They don't have an amazing young core but they have one of the better ones amongst contenders where they could trade them and still come out ahead with a star. Teams who don't get Anthony Davis might consider Beal, too, but I'm guessing they'd be offering less for Beal than Davis, fair or not.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

If Garland is there at 6, I'd consider Beal for 6, Bridges, and Phoenix' 2020 first (no more than a top 2 protection). Trade would have to be consumated after the draft to avoid Stepien rule. I'm assuming Phoenix has the cap space to absorb that deal - don't know if they do.

We do, but we would likely have to ship you TJ Warren to match salaries. I think that trade is pretty fair.

I would do that - Beal for Garland, Bridges, Warren, and Phoenix' 2020 1st (top 2 protected).

Wiz would have 2 lotto picks in June and probably 2 in 2020 - and lots of young talent. I like it.

This would be horrible. You'd blow up the whole franchise overnight and would be giving away a fan favorite, the team's best player, and a legit franchise player, if this were to happen.

I'd like to know what you guys see in Garland that's so special that have you trading away your best player and some calling for a trade up to go get him.

I'd be surprised if he didn't simply fall to the Wizards without doing anything extra to acquire him; I see a good player, but I don't see a game-changer in him.

[Ruzious]

We do, but we would likely have to ship you TJ Warren to match salaries. I think that trade is pretty fair.

I would do that - Beal for Garland, Bridges, Warren, and Phoenix' 2020 1st (top 2 protected).

Wiz would have 2 lotto picks in June and probably 2 in 2020 - and lots of young talent. I like it.

This would be horrible. You'd blow up the whole franchise overnight and would be giving away a fan favorite, the team's best player, and a legit franchise player, if this were to happen.

I'd like to know what you guys see in Garland that's so special that have you trading away your best player and some calling for a trade up to go get him.

I'd be surprised if he didn't simply fall to the Wizards without doing anything extra to acquire him; I see a good player, but I don't see a game-changer in him.

I've answered that enough times already. I gotta ask - Where do you see this franchise going if they keep Beal, and are you fine with that?

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I would do that - Beal for Garland, Bridges, Warren, and Phoenix' 2020 1st (top 2 protected).

Wiz would have 2 lotto picks in June and probably 2 in 2020 - and lots of young talent. I like it.

This would be horrible. You'd blow up the whole franchise overnight and would be giving away a fan favorite, the team's best player, and a legit franchise player, if this were to happen.

I'd like to know what you guys see in Garland that's so special that have you trading away your best player and some calling for a trade up to go get him.

I'd be surprised if he didn't simply fall to the Wizards without doing anything extra to acquire him; I see a good player, but I don't see a game-changer in him.

I've answered that enough times already. I gotta ask - Where do you see this franchise going if they keep Beal, and are you fine with that?

Oh did you, I must've missed it.

Sounds like you're implying that Beal is some sort of hindrance to the team going further--- which would be baffling, if the case.

[Shoe]

I like Rui Hachimura - stoic intensity, physical, high release on his jumper, comfortable posting up. 20 ppg on 64 TS%. Unfortunately the Morris twins put up similar numbers on similar TS%, similar height and lateral quickness. At least he wouldn't give that delusional "we were the better team" post loss soundbite.

Grant Williams with 82% FT on 7 attempts per game. 19/8/3 1 steal, 2 blocks, only 2 turnovers, on 65 TS%, 30 PER. Can finish with both hands and turn with both shoulders. 19% - 13% assist to turnover ratio. He's undersized, has below the rim athleticism, and probably a defensive sieve in the NBA.

PJ Washington's 66% FT on 5 attempts a game is underwhelming. A better athlete than Williams and a decent 42% from 3 on 2 attempts per game. 13% - 13% assist to turnover ratio.

Good debate as to which SEC forward will better translate to the NBA. I think Williams passing will buoy his career.

Kawhi had a 51 TS% in his last season at SDSU, interestingly.

[Rafael122]

Beal will be Plan B in case the Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, etc all strike out on Davis and/or the major free agents. The issue is free agency starts after the draft so if the Knicks pick a guy the Wizards may not like, the deal is screwed.

Honestly, if the Pelicans say no to the Lakers latest offer, and if Ingram's medicals check out, I would do Ingram/Ball/Kuzma/Hart/4th/Another 1st for Beal in a heart beat.

[Ruzious]

This would be horrible. You'd blow up the whole franchise overnight and would be giving away a fan favorite, the team's best player, and a legit franchise player, if this were to happen.

I'd like to know what you guys see in Garland that's so special that have you trading away your best player and some calling for a trade up to go get him.

I'd be surprised if he didn't simply fall to the Wizards without doing anything extra to acquire him; I see a good player, but I don't see a game-changer in him.

I've answered that enough times already. I gotta ask - Where do you see this franchise going if they keep Beal, and are you fine with that?

Oh did you, I must've missed it.

Sounds like you're implying that Beal is some sort of hindrance to the team going further--- which would be baffling, if the case.

Answer the question. Where to do you see the Wiz franchise going if they keep Beal?

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I've answered that enough times already. I gotta ask - Where do you see this franchise going if they keep Beal, and are you fine with that?

Oh did you, I must've missed it.

Sounds like you're implying that Beal is some sort of hindrance to the team going further--- which would be baffling, if the case.

Answer the question. Where to do you see the Wiz franchise going if they keep Beal?

I won't be answering anything before you've address the question I posed to you concerning Garland, or your suggestion that Beal is a hindrance to the progress of the team.

[Ruzious]

I like Rui Hachimura - stoic intensity, physical, high release on his jumper, comfortable posting up. 20 ppg on 64 TS%. Unfortunately the Morris twins put up similar numbers on similar TS%, similar height and lateral quickness. At least he wouldn't give that delusional "we were the better team" post loss soundbite.

Grant Williams with 82% FT on 7 attempts per game. 19/8/3 1 steal, 2 blocks, only 2 turnovers, on 65 TS%, 30 PER. Can finish with both hands and turn with both shoulders. 19% - 13% assist to turnover ratio. He's undersized, has below the rim athleticism, and probably a defensive sieve in the NBA.

PJ Washington's 66% FT on 5 attempts a game is underwhelming. A better athlete than Williams and a decent 42% from 3 on 2 attempts per game. 13% - 13% assist to turnover ratio.

Good debate as to which SEC forward will better translate to the NBA. I think Williams passing will buoy his career.

Kawhi had a 51 TS% in his last season at SDSU, interestingly.

I like Rui - but not that high. Problem is - he's got no 3 ball, and he's not a talented defender. His jump shot is awfully flat, so I think he's got to change his form if he's ever going to develop a consistent 3. I do love the way he goes hard to the basket - almost looks like a mini-Giannis - but he doesn't have the length and explosion that Giannis has. He's also not going to set up his teammates or rebound or defend like Giannis, but it's probably not fair to compare a prospect to Giannis.

Williams and PJ are good underrated players to look for after the lottery. One player I'd target if we had a late 1st - Auburn's stud - Chuma Okeke - outstanding defender with an all-around game. He might not be able to play much as a rookie with the ACL injury, but he'll be worth the wait.

[Ruzious]

Oh did you, I must've missed it.

Sounds like you're implying that Beal is some sort of hindrance to the team going further--- which would be baffling, if the case.

Answer the question. Where to do you see the Wiz franchise going if they keep Beal?

I won't be answering anything before you've address the question I posed to you concerning Garland, or your suggestion that Beal is a hindrance to the progress of the team.

Garland has Lillard-like potential - though he's not quite the explosive finisher. He's a phenominal ball-handler with deep 3 point range and appears to have pretty good shot selection. But he was only part of the trade you bashed. We would also get the 10th pick in last year's draft - Mikal Bridges - an excellent defensive athletic swingman with solid offensive potential who had a rough rookie season but still shot 43.5% from the field. TJ Warren isn't Bradley Beal, but he's a very useful player - a high scorer with the same eFG as Beal and the same age. He shot 42.8% from 3 last season. He also contributed with steals and blocks - didn't rebound well for a 3 though. And... we'd be getting a high pick in next year's draft from Phoenix - to go along with ours - since we'll be in rebuild mode - which makes sense because we have no chance at competing for anything... next season - with or without Beal. With Beal, our goal would continue to be to try (most likely failing) to get the 8th playoff spot in the East.

[80sballboy]

If anybody listened to the Wiz podcast last night with Jimmy Patsos, Chris Miller, Ben Standig and Nick Ashooh, not a lot to be learned but Miller had one nugget. Basically said that Bol Bol was a risk due to the fact he loves to "party". Not sure if that means anything because the injuries scare me the most on a 7-3 thin frame.

[deneem4]

I wouldn’t trade Beal...
We lucked out on Zion...
Package that 9th pick for a starting pf
Wall with be back from injury early (tanking excuse)
Make a push

[Illmatic12]

Were losing one way or the other. What does it matter if its 22 or 32 wins? Waiting just delays the inevitable and by that time we may be looking at a Tobias Harris level package. I hate to sound like a broken record but be patient just means we get less when were forced to deal him.

Waiting means you don't get you a Ja Morant. Waiting does not get you a JJJ. Waiting gets you some B/C level assets and protected picks.

Bringing up Tobias Harris in fact disproves your own point. Clippers waited until the deadline before his free agency to trade him and they still got a massive haul. This was the return for a 4 month rental of Harris:

Landry Shamet (a very good SG prospect)
Wilson Chandler
Mike Muscala
Philadelphia’s own protected 2020 first-round pick
Miami Heat’s unprotected 2021 first-round pick
Detroit Pistons’ 2021 and 2023 second-round picks

Yet you are saying that the Wizards should panic-trade their All-NBA guard when he still has 2 full seasons before FA? Really??

Not to mention the optics on the business-side. How do you trade a 25yo homegrown star who has been vocal about wanting to stay, and then sell your fanbase on watching a season without Wall or Beal, the longtime beloved pillars of the franchise? And without any guarantee of being rewarded with a high draft pick down the line.

The NBA is a business and that is not how businesses operate. Trading Bradley Beal today for anything less than a godfather offer would be irresponsible management.

So you would be happy with Landry Shamet as the best piece in a package for Beal???

If so, then what's the point in even having this discussion?

And what a player says publicly means absolutely nothing. It never has, never will. It only matters what they are saying behind closed doors.

It was known among insiders, J. Michael, former CSN beat reporter said it on twitter, Beal has wanted out for a long time. He had asked for a trade previously! He saying the right things now, but in January, when your 10 games under .500, old feelings rise back to the top!

Beal is much more desired than Harris, they would be in position to demand a better prospect than Shamet for him. Or more future picks instead. The point is that there should be no rush or panic to trade him now.


Whatever J Michael has said in the past is irrelevant today. He hasn’t been around the team in years, and even when he was here the only team source he has was Gortat. Regardless of what anyone knows or thinks they know, the facts are that what Beal said behind closed doors is the same thing he’s been saying publicly - that he wants to stay. He had a CLOSED DOOR meeting with Ted Leonsis and said exactly that. He’s met with Tommy Sheppard and said exactly that.

This is a homegrown star player in Beal who has communicated to the Wizards management that he values loyalty, is connected to city of DC and is committed to the franchise long term. Trading him for a draft pick is not on the table, I don’t understand how this is difficult to see.

If he changes his mind in January then sure, at that point you adjust your plans. They could still get a considerable return for Beal at the deadline, or next offseason, or even the 2020 deadline.