Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

PaulinVA · Post #1721 » by **PaulinVA** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 4:28 am

gambitx777 · Post #1722 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:49 am

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This will be tought in sports management programs for decades lol. I'm laughing all the way on this one.

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Post #1723 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 3:21 pm

Bill Simmons describes it as "new owner syndrome" where you just got the team and want to make a splash. I think they were fine with the KD trade, but they went to extra step and stripped the team of a bench once Beal was brought in and Ayton was shipped out. They made one too many moves.

Frichuela · Post #1724 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:28 pm

So glad we are out of Beal and his circus.

Tyrone Messby · Post #1725 » by **Tyrone Messby** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 6:19 pm

lol Beal , Ted and co were such clowns to hand Beta Beal that contract. :lol:

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dckingsfan · Post #1726 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:43 pm

The Beal situation takes one of Miami's suitors out of the equation. It only leaves the Warriors, Mavericks, and Rockets on Butler's preferred list. Why does this matter - because any team signing him could have him turnaround and opt out. So, they will be far less inclined to offer trade collateral.

Miami is looking at this as a "well, looks like he is here for this season...".

Miami is plummeting fast in the standings and is increasingly at risk of an unwanted outcome with regards to its traded first-round picks.

- If the Heat make the playoffs this season, they’d send the Thunder their 2025 first-rounder and would owe the Hornets their 2027 first-rounder with lottery protection.

- Missing the playoffs and keeping their 2025 pick would mean they owe Oklahoma City their 2026 pick and Charlotte their 2028 pick without protections!

I guess if they get lucky in the lottery (in 2025), it could work out for them.

gambitx777 · Post #1727 » by **gambitx777** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 3:35 am

That's a weird pic situation. So they really are incentivsed to win. I still think the pistons are an option. They have THJ contract a large amount of cap room and the Stewart contract or a couple others to offer for Jimmy

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FAH1223 · Post #1728 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 4:12 pm

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closg00 · Post #1729 » by **closg00** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 6:55 pm

Every NBA team is treating Brad the way we should have half a decade ago, Tommy/Ted's atrocity of a contract is still an albatross for the entire NBA.

dckingsfan · Post #1730 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 8:01 pm

gambitx777 wrote:That's a weird pic situation. So they really are incentivised to win. I still think the pistons are an option. They have THJ contract a large amount of cap room and the Stewart contract or a couple others to offer for Jimmy

Yeah, it depends on how they want to play it. Tank and go for the best '25 pick and then they give up their other two picks or try to make the playoffs and give up this year's pick.

It also depends on if they think Butler will reup next year. They could just take the '25 pick and "assume" that Butler doesn't reup. That would get them out of the luxury and start the rebuild. They have lots of cap space in '26-'27.

Butler has intimated that there are only a couple of teams where he would go and not opt out. If I am Detroit, I don't make that trade - no way. But, GMs do what GMs do.

The Consiglieri · Post #1731 » by **The Consiglieri** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 9:01 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Bill Simmons describes it as "new owner syndrome" where you just got the team and want to make a splash. I think they were fine with the KD trade, but they went to extra step and stripped the team of a bench once Beal was brought in and Ayton was shipped out. They made one too many moves.

It's a good reminder of what to root against and fear if we're ever actually an elite franchise because how often do these trades for players on patently obvious horror show contracts work out? Pretty much never? Granted Poole was one in many ways, but we also knew that we could eat the bulk of the years and it would have little overall impact on much since we weren't contending/FA hunting anyway.

JAR69 · Post #1732 » by **JAR69** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 9:12 pm

I can't say how happy I am that Beal never got to break Elvin Hayes' franchise scoring record.

Also, Beal's contract has now eaten two franchises. Quite a record there. And 2.5 seasons left on it!

Kanyewest · Post #1733 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:44 pm

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tontoz · Post #1734 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 6:05 pm

Why would we take Nurkic? I would rather just keep JV who is cheaper.

PaulinVA · Post #1735 » by **PaulinVA** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:17 pm

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Frichuela · Post #1736 » by **Frichuela** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:23 pm

Pleeaaaase make this happen...Probably just a rumor though....

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dckingsfan · Post #1737 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:55 pm

Interesting summary of the Beal/Butler saga...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-everybody-knows-jimmy-butler-wants-suns-trade

dckingsfan · Post #1738 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 9:57 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting summary of the Beal/Butler saga...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-everybody-knows-jimmy-butler-wants-suns-trade

Not sure how we would capitalize on this as neither the Suns nor Heat have the draft capital we would want.

Another reason I just think this doesn't get done.

gambitx777 · Post #1739 » by **gambitx777** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:43 am

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I have zero issues taking him on if we get some assets in return. They have one pick swap and 3 seconds they can give. We have several cheaper centers than nurkic and nurkic might be a really solid tradechip next year. I would do either Holmes or Bagley for nurkic and all 3 seconds.
If they want JV that would need to include an unprotected pick swap in 31 and they would have to take Johnny Davis to make the trade work. They could include two of their rookies dunn and ighodaro or something like that but they would have to be made separate trades to skirt the new apron rules.

I can't see them blowing the only assets they have getting rid of nurkic. But stranger things.

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gambitx777 · Post #1740 » by **gambitx777** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:47 am

Frichuela wrote:Pleeaaaase make this happen...Probably just a rumor though....

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I would take hurter and lyles and some picks in a heart beatideally 2 seconds and a protected first. But I guess settling would be all right. They can give 4 seconds and maybe some pick swaps?

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