Political Roundtable Part XIV

[montestewart]

I am getting tired of the double posting communist mods

[dckingsfan]

I am getting tired of the double posting communist mods

[BigA]

Sessions wants to prosecute journalists for publishing leaked info?? Welcome to the banana republic.

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Continuing and expanding what the previous administration did. Not surprising.

If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama

Obama used the Espionage Act to put a record number of reporters' sources in jail, and Trump could be even worse

[dckingsfan]

Sessions wants to prosecute journalists for publishing leaked info?? Welcome to the banana republic.

Continuing and expanding what the previous administration did. Not surprising.

If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama

Obama used the Espionage Act to put a record number of reporters' sources in jail, and Trump could be even worse

Crap - I forgot about that - it just seemed soooo much more justifiable under Obama. I guess that goes the same for the executive orders that we cheered.

[TGW]

Obama was such a sellout when it came to civil liberties. People think cause he lets gays marry, that he was this pro-civil liberties president, but in actuality he just continued the same horrible invasions that GWB started.

[montestewart]

Obama was such a sellout when it came to civil liberties. People think cause he lets gays marry, that he was this pro-civil liberties president, but in actuality he just continued the same horrible invasions that GWB started.

Generally agree, although the expansion of executive power seems to stretch back further than that, with but a short pause around the Ford/Carter era.

[dckingsfan]

Obama was such a sellout when it came to civil liberties. People think cause he lets gays marry, that he was this pro-civil liberties president, but in actuality he just continued the same horrible invasions that GWB started.

Generally agree, although the expansion of executive power seems to stretch back further than that, with but a short pause around the Ford/Carter era.

October 4, 1957, Moscow launched Sputnik - and then it started.

[closg00]

Justice Department reverses position to support Ohio purging inactive voters in high-profile case

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-reverses-position-to-allow-ohio-to-purge-inactive-voters-from-rolls/2017/08/08/e93c5116-7c35-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_ohio-1035a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c510414e4c01#comments

More of the transparent effort of Republican's to shave votes or make it harder for voters. Since when is the right to vote in this country predicated on the number of times you vote? This is utter BS.

[dckingsfan]

Justice Department reverses position to support Ohio purging inactive voters in high-profile case

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-reverses-position-to-allow-ohio-to-purge-inactive-voters-from-rolls/2017/08/08/e93c5116-7c35-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_ohio-1035a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c510414e4c01#comments

More of the transparent effort of Republican's to shave votes or make it harder for voters. Since when is the right to vote in this country predicated on the number of times you vote? This is utter BS.

I haven't wrapped my head around this or done enough research. So don't beat me up on this but to get purged you need to not vote and then not respond to a change of address confirmation.

So, is the notion that you should:
1) Never purge the voter rolls
2) It should be 2 or more voting cycles
3) You shouldn't have to confirm a change of address
or
4) other

[JWizmentality]

So.... is Sessions going to charge Trump for tweeting classified info?

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[Zonkerbl]

Justice Department reverses position to support Ohio purging inactive voters in high-profile case

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-reverses-position-to-allow-ohio-to-purge-inactive-voters-from-rolls/2017/08/08/e93c5116-7c35-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_ohio-1035a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c510414e4c01#comments

More of the transparent effort of Republican's to shave votes or make it harder for voters. Since when is the right to vote in this country predicated on the number of times you vote? This is utter BS.

I haven't wrapped my head around this or done enough research. So don't beat me up on this but to get purged you need to not vote and then not respond to a change of address confirmation.

So, is the notion that you should:
1) Never purge the voter rolls
2) It should be 2 or more voting cycles
3) You shouldn't have to confirm a change of address
or
4) other

Given how few actual voter fraud violation we observe, you should balance the right to vote that you will deny people against the voter fraud you will prevent. There will be many, many instances where purging the voting rolls will accidentally deny a citizen the legal right to vote (or make it more difficult, with the statistical likelihood that some people will give up), with almost no balancing benefit of preventing fraud. When that is the case, you should not purge anything. The right to vote is the most important right a citizen has, and when there is any possible doubt that you will be affecting that, you should not do it.

Not going to yell at you, but statistically speaking, the *only* discernible purpose of such actions is to prevent people from voting, and the people most likely to be denied the vote are people who tend to vote Democrat. You guys just need to stop pursuing this - it's an extremely bad look. Does voter roll clutter result in actual voter fraud? No? Then leave it alone.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

President Trump has publicly called the widening federal investigation into Russia's election meddling a "witch hunt." But through his lawyer, Trump has sent private messages of "appreciation" to special counsel Robert Mueller.

"He appreciates what Bob Mueller is doing,'' Trump's chief counsel John Dowd told USA TODAY in an interview Tuesday. "He asked me to share that with him and that's what I've done.''

Trump's legal team has been in contact with Mueller's office, and Dowd says he has passed along the president's messages expressing “appreciation and greetings’’ to the special counsel.

“The president has sent messages back and forth,’’ Dowd said, declining to elaborate further.

[Zonkerbl]

"Oh and please don't have me arrested."

[verbal8]

More of the transparent effort of Republican's to shave votes or make it harder for voters. Since when is the right to vote in this country predicated on the number of times you vote? This is utter BS.

I misread this and thought you were referring to the number of times in one election

[verbal8]

So.... is Sessions going to charge Trump for tweeting classified info?

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Why bother with charges? As his crowds like to say "Lock him up", I guess it is actually "her" in that case.

[dckingsfan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-reverses-position-to-allow-ohio-to-purge-inactive-voters-from-rolls/2017/08/08/e93c5116-7c35-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_ohio-1035a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c510414e4c01#comments

More of the transparent effort of Republican's to shave votes or make it harder for voters. Since when is the right to vote in this country predicated on the number of times you vote? This is utter BS.

I haven't wrapped my head around this or done enough research. So don't beat me up on this but to get purged you need to not vote and then not respond to a change of address confirmation.

So, is the notion that you should:
1) Never purge the voter rolls3) You shouldn't have to confirm a change of address
or
4) other

Given how few actual voter fraud violation we observe, you should balance the right to vote that you will deny people against the voter fraud you will prevent. There will be many, many instances where purging the voting rolls will accidentally deny a citizen
2) It should be 2 or more voting cycles
the legal right to vote (or make it more difficult, with the statistical likelihood that some people will give up), with almost no balancing benefit of preventing fraud. When that is the case, you should not purge anything. The right to vote is the most important right a citizen has, and when there is any possible doubt that you will be affecting that, you should not do it.

Not going to yell at you, but statistically speaking, the *only* discernible purpose of such actions is to prevent people from voting, and the people most likely to be denied the vote are people who tend to vote Democrat. You guys just need to stop pursuing this - it's an extremely bad look. Does voter roll clutter result in actual voter fraud? No? Then leave it alone.

So, 4 - other. Unless there is a necessary action - proven fraud, just leave it alone. This kind of goes with my "government where government is necessary" vs. "government meddling.

Question (I haven't bothered with the research - I don't expect you to do it either). Was the Ohio purging done because of proven voter fraud? Is it a long-term policy that they are just enforcing. Has the enforcement just coming up now or has it been going on for some time.

And even if there was fraud - did they do due diligence to find out the number of case they would prevent vs. the number of eligible voters that didn't vote. Guessing no.

When I read these articles it is frustrating - none of the real questions are answered. Sigh.

[verbal8]

Not going to yell at you, but statistically speaking, the *only* discernible purpose of such actions is to prevent people from voting, and the people most likely to be denied the vote are people who tend to vote Democrat. You guys just need to stop pursuing this - it's an extremely bad look. Does voter roll clutter result in actual voter fraud? No? Then leave it alone.

Serious penalties and a low reward seem to do enough to discourage any significant level of voter fraud in US elections.

One anecdote that really convinced me that even benign seeming requirements limit voting, was the story of an ardent Trump supporter who didn't vote because he forgot his wallet(and ID).

[cammac]

"Oh and please don't have me arrested."

You can join pinko's in Canada like me and thumb your nose across the Niagara River.

On a serious note with Trumps treats against North Korea he is completely inarticulate and looks like a fumbling fool much to much a megalomaniac. Sometimes his facial expressions remind me so much of Mussolini and he must have practised it for hours.

[tontoz]

(Reuters) - The Baltimore Police Department suspended seven officers after body camera video emerged that the city's public defender said appeared to show them planting drugs in a car during a traffic stop, the second such episode in the city in two weeks.

Some of the videos published this week showed officers searching around the driver's seat of a car for several minutes but finding nothing during the stop on Nov. 29 last year. Other videos recorded about 30 minutes later show one officer crouching near the seat as others look on.

When he steps back, colleagues can be seen switching on their cameras, at which point audio can be heard. The cameras are designed to store silent video footage of the 30 seconds preceding the camera's activation.

"Now?" someone can be heard saying. Then a different officer steps toward the seat and quickly makes a discovery.

"Oh here you go," he says, holding up a black bag that police say contained illegal drugs. "That's the weed smell right there."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-maryland-police-idUSKBN1AI27U

[Dat2U]

(Reuters) - The Baltimore Police Department suspended seven officers after body camera video emerged that the city's public defender said appeared to show them planting drugs in a car during a traffic stop, the second such episode in the city in two weeks.

Some of the videos published this week showed officers searching around the driver's seat of a car for several minutes but finding nothing during the stop on Nov. 29 last year. Other videos recorded about 30 minutes later show one officer crouching near the seat as others look on.

When he steps back, colleagues can be seen switching on their cameras, at which point audio can be heard. The cameras are designed to store silent video footage of the 30 seconds preceding the camera's activation.

"Now?" someone can be heard saying. Then a different officer steps toward the seat and quickly makes a discovery.

"Oh here you go," he says, holding up a black bag that police say contained illegal drugs. "That's the weed smell right there."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-maryland-police-idUSKBN1AI27U

And this is WITH a body camera. Imagine all of the times evidence was planted successfully and how many lives and family were ruined over all of these years.

And some people here have the nerve to point to crime statistics as unequivocal evidence of the violent tendencies of minorities.