Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[TGW]

Wow look what happens when you give Wall a mobile big to work with. Imagine one with leadership skills who could also calm down the lockeroom and focus things? Look what Sato can do when given minutes. Imagine what he could do with a big with leadership skills.

We aren’t going to tank. So, make the trades needed to add more leadership to the bench (and get us a new coach), and watch us boom.

Uh no. Nothing last night should change what the Wizards should obviously do...rebuild.

The problems with this team are almost entirely mental (when playing the proper rotations), and given the right supporting cast (who can lead from the bench) and a coach who can change our outlook. That’s a lot easier to do than rebuild an entire team from the ground up again. And if my plan doesn’t work, there is plenty of time to tank.

Becky, Tristan, Ariza. More Sato. More Howard. Feed Otto in the first quarter. Trade Rivers, Morris and company for real vet leadership. If Pierce or Ariza were still on this team (as the safety net in more ways than one), we’d be top three in the East.

Btw, I’d fire EG now. While we can. Hell, let Becky be our GM and coach. That will certainly change the story about us. And when that story changes, watch as Wall suddenly starts getting more foul calls on his drives (where now they swallow their whistles because of his press).

Sure, if your goal is to get the 8th seed the being swept by Toronto.

The goal of every team should be to win a championship. Sorry...feeding Otto and moving Keef/Rivers is not moving the needle. Not this team.

[nate33]

I heard on the Zack Lowe podcast today that the Wall trade kicker would be $20 million if he is traded before July 1, but goes away after that. So John is not going to be traded anytime soon.

Ouch!

The only way to trade him then is if he agrees to waive the trade kicker.


New Orleans is probably the only viable option then. Wall would probably waive it to be on a legit title contender alongside an MVP candidate.

I don't think Wall would waive the kicker to play in Phoenix, a 3-13 team playing in the West.
I don't think he'll waive it to play in Miami with no All-Star talent around him.
I don't think he'll waive it to play in Orlando.
I don't think LA will swallow that contract and turn down a shot at Kawhi/Klay/Durant/Butler next year.

It's going to be much harder to trade him in the summer. Maybe an under-the-cap team who strikes out on the big names will take Wall in exchange for us absorbing a smaller, shorter contract as filler.

[nate33]

The reason a Wall trade is nearly impossible is because his outgoing salary value from our perspective is just $19.2M, meaning we can only take back a maximum of $24.0M in incoming salary to fit within the 125% Rule. The trade kicker isn't factored into our outgoing calculation. But from our trade partner's perspective, they have to absorb Wall's $19.2M salary AND his $20M trade kicker for a total of $39.2M. That means they have to send out at least $31.36M in salary to make the deal work, which is $7.3M more than we can take back.

I wonder if it's possible to waive just part of the trade kicker?

For example, in a hypothetical Wall for Ryan Anderson trade, Anderson has an outgoing salary value of $20.4M. Phoenix can only take back up 125% of what they send out, or exactly $25.5M.

So, instead of demanding all $20M of the trade kicker, can Wall waive all but $6.3M of it, making Wall's incoming salary value exactly $25.5M and within the 125% Rule? From Wall's perspective, he's still getting $6.3M he wouldn't otherwise get if there was no trade. That might be enough to placate him for being traded.

[payitforward]

No. I just have a common sense. It is EASY to assume that we'd rather keep our young guns and our cap space to try to sign a player like KD, Kawhi or Klay rather than making a trade for John freakin Wall.

Hey man, you're welcome here -- I mean that. No reason why you shouldn't be.

But no fan wants someone coming around insulting his team's players, ok? Seems kind of obvious -- or as you might put it: common sense.

There's plenty of room to disagree, & there's plenty of stuff to talk about. & of course you're entitled to your opinion: that should go w/o saying.

But, that doesn't mean you need to be nasty, ok?

All meant respectfully -- not looking for an argument. Plus, it's great for basketball that a franchise like the Lakers become really good again; we all know that. Not to mention that you guys got one of the great draft bargains of the last 10 or more years when you were able to grab Josh Hart at the end of R1. He's going to be a terrific player for a long time.

Sorry if you've felt somewhat disrespected. I am just responding to the other poster's sarcastic comment saying I have an inside info.

Anyways, I am not trashing John Wall. Great player. Just not the kind of player the Lakers are looking for with his contract. That's all I am saying.

Edit: Great comeback win against the Clippers today.

There you go.... Stay around. Good to have perspective.

[payitforward]

Wow look what happens when you give Wall a mobile big to work with. Imagine one with leadership skills who could also calm down the lockeroom and focus things? Look what Sato can do when given minutes. Imagine what he could do with a big with leadership skills.

We aren’t going to tank. So, make the trades needed to add more leadership to the bench (and get us a new coach), and watch us boom.

Uh no. Nothing last night should change what the Wizards should obviously do...rebuild.

No kidding. We play one good half -- 2d half against a team on a back to back & 3d game in 4 nights -- & all of a sudden it's "boom."

Remind you that it wasn't Wall and/or Beal who got us a win last night! Not dissing either guy, but they weren't the reason we won.

[barelyawake]

From the makers of “leadership doesn’t show up on a stat sheet,” from the producers of “players play the same no matter who is around them,” it’s new and improved “leadership can’t help this team.”

If we had a healthy Howard all season, our record would be much different and our locker room would be more unified because winning solves all problems. Get a guy like Tristan who can replace Morris or knock him to the bench, one who can also back Howard and keep our bench defending. That alone will help our team get over a hump (one that, again, is mostly a mental block and a rotation problem that seems to be getting a tad better).

[DCZards]

Wow look what happens when you give Wall a mobile big to work with. Imagine one with leadership skills who could also calm down the lockeroom and focus things? Look what Sato can do when given minutes. Imagine what he could do with a big with leadership skills.

We aren’t going to tank. So, make the trades needed to add more leadership to the bench (and get us a new coach), and watch us boom.

Uh no. Nothing last night should change what the Wizards should obviously do...rebuild.

No kidding. We play one good half -- 2d half against a team on a back to back & 3d game in 4 nights -- & all of a sudden it's "boom."

Remind you that it wasn't Wall and/or Beal who got us a win last night! Not dissing either guy, but they weren't the reason we won.

Wall and Beal might not be the reason that the Zards won last night...but I doubt that they win the game without them.

[payitforward]

Uh no. Nothing last night should change what the Wizards should obviously do...rebuild.

No kidding. We play one good half -- 2d half against a team on a back to back & 3d game in 4 nights -- & all of a sudden it's "boom."

Remind you that it wasn't Wall and/or Beal who got us a win last night! Not dissing either guy, but they weren't the reason we won.

Wall and Beal might not be the reason that the Zards won last night...but I doubt that they win the game without them.

I forgot to put in my usual ending clause in a post of this kind: "...That should not be taken as criticism of John Wall & Brad Beal."

&, as I wrote in the game thread, John Wall had quite a good game last night.

[Dat2U]

I heard on the Zack Lowe podcast today that the Wall trade kicker would be $20 million if he is traded before July 1, but goes away after that. So John is not going to be traded anytime soon.

Ouch!

The only way to trade him then is if he agrees to waive the trade kicker.


New Orleans is probably the only viable option then. Wall would probably waive it to be on a legit title contender alongside an MVP candidate.

I don't think Wall would waive the kicker to play in Phoenix, a 3-13 team playing in the West.
I don't think he'll waive it to play in Miami with no All-Star talent around him.
I don't think he'll waive it to play in Orlando.
I don't think LA will swallow that contract and turn down a shot at Kawhi/Klay/Durant/Butler next year.

It's going to be much harder to trade him in the summer. Maybe an under-the-cap team who strikes out on the big names will take Wall in exchange for us absorbing a smaller, shorter contract as filler.

LeBron won't let this year go to waste.

Durant goes East. I can't see him playing with Bron when he's already the most hated star in the league for playing with GSW.

Butler stays in Philly & Klay likely stays in GSW.

Kawhi has as good a shot of playing for the Clips then the Lakers. I dont see the Lakers waiting to figure that out.

[BigA]

Playing with LeBron would be the best situation for Wall. He's going to be better in a situation where he isn't the best player, and LeBron would be able to keep him in line.

[Jay81]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/eight-potential-wizards-trades-involving-john-wall-bradley-beal-and-otto-porter-jr-that-could-fix-things-in-d-c/

[dangermouse]

Sh-t is about to blow up

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Okari White :|

I'm PRAYING its Ernie finally getting the boot. I give this a 1% chance of happening.

I was HOPING it was a Kieff deal but if Brooks continues to bring him off the bench and reduce his minutes overall, I can live with him on the team.

If its a deal involving Beal similar to that Hornets deal, Ernie should be run out of town with pitchforks towards the Potomac.

[WallToWall]

Well, I welcome good change.

If I were to venture some guess, the signing of White, who plays mostly PF and some SF may mean we are about to trade a F.
But, I would most welcome good change at the GM position, which could trigger many more changes.

[FAH1223]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/eight-potential-wizards-trades-involving-john-wall-bradley-beal-and-otto-porter-jr-that-could-fix-things-in-d-c/

LOL @ the Otto Porter to Portland trade.

Its funny cause his girlfriend works for NBC Sports Northwest with the Blazers.

[King Ken]

I heard on the Zack Lowe podcast today that the Wall trade kicker would be $20 million if he is traded before July 1, but goes away after that. So John is not going to be traded anytime soon.

Ouch!

The only way to trade him then is if he agrees to waive the trade kicker.


New Orleans is probably the only viable option then. Wall would probably waive it to be on a legit title contender alongside an MVP candidate.

I don't think Wall would waive the kicker to play in Phoenix, a 3-13 team playing in the West.
I don't think he'll waive it to play in Miami with no All-Star talent around him.
I don't think he'll waive it to play in Orlando.
I don't think LA will swallow that contract and turn down a shot at Kawhi/Klay/Durant/Butler next year.

It's going to be much harder to trade him in the summer. Maybe an under-the-cap team who strikes out on the big names will take Wall in exchange for us absorbing a smaller, shorter contract as filler.

So basically they need a 3rd team who can take on 10 mil for free. Kings are the only one.

[deneem4]

Brooks fired or Ernie n brooks fired...

[King Ken]

The reason a Wall trade is nearly impossible is because his outgoing salary value from our perspective is just $19.2M, meaning we can only take back a maximum of $24.0M in incoming salary to fit within the 125% Rule. The trade kicker isn't factored into our outgoing calculation. But from our trade partner's perspective, they have to absorb Wall's $19.2M salary AND his $20M trade kicker for a total of $39.2M. That means they have to send out at least $31.36M in salary to make the deal work, which is $7.3M more than we can take back.

I wonder if it's possible to waive just part of the trade kicker?

For example, in a hypothetical Wall for Ryan Anderson trade, Anderson has an outgoing salary value of $20.4M. Phoenix can only take back up 125% of what they send out, or exactly $25.5M.

So, instead of demanding all $20M of the trade kicker, can Wall waive all but $6.3M of it, making Wall's incoming salary value exactly $25.5M and within the 125% Rule? From Wall's perspective, he's still getting $6.3M he wouldn't otherwise get if there was no trade. That might be enough to placate him for being traded.

This would work:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya38zwqq

Wizards Get: Ryan Anderson, Troy Daniels, PHX 1st 2019 unprotected, MIL 1st unprotected
PHX Gets: John Wall, Justin Jackson, and SAC 2nd rounder
SAC Gets: T.J. Warren

Ideally, PHX would like to NOT trade T.J. Warren and would rather move Josh Jackson I would imagine.

[dangermouse]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/eight-potential-wizards-trades-involving-john-wall-bradley-beal-and-otto-porter-jr-that-could-fix-things-in-d-c/

Some of these are alright, but I feel like a lot are missing "plus a Top XX Protected first round pick"

[gambitx777]

The reason a Wall trade is nearly impossible is because his outgoing salary value from our perspective is just $19.2M, meaning we can only take back a maximum of $24.0M in incoming salary to fit within the 125% Rule. The trade kicker isn't factored into our outgoing calculation. But from our trade partner's perspective, they have to absorb Wall's $19.2M salary AND his $20M trade kicker for a total of $39.2M. That means they have to send out at least $31.36M in salary to make the deal work, which is $7.3M more than we can take back.

I wonder if it's possible to waive just part of the trade kicker?

For example, in a hypothetical Wall for Ryan Anderson trade, Anderson has an outgoing salary value of $20.4M. Phoenix can only take back up 125% of what they send out, or exactly $25.5M.

So, instead of demanding all $20M of the trade kicker, can Wall waive all but $6.3M of it, making Wall's incoming salary value exactly $25.5M and within the 125% Rule? From Wall's perspective, he's still getting $6.3M he wouldn't otherwise get if there was no trade. That might be enough to placate him for being traded.

This would work:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya38zwqq

Wizards Get: Ryan Anderson, Troy Daniels, PHX 1st 2019 unprotected, MIL 1st unprotected
PHX Gets: John Wall, Justin Jackson, and SAC 2nd rounder
SAC Gets: T.J. Warren

Ideally, PHX would like to NOT trade T.J. Warren and would rather move Josh Jackson I would imagine.

I don't think thats how the trade kicker works. I might be wrong but my understanding was that if you trade him the values in the trade are done on the original deals. Then once he hits the other team his salary pops up with the trade kicker and it counts towards their cap but does not count towards the incoming trade value ?

[BigA]

I don't think thats how the trade kicker works. I might be wrong but my understanding was that if you trade him the values in the trade are done on the original deals. Then once he hits the other team his salary pops up with the trade kicker and it counts towards their cap but does not count towards the incoming trade value ?

On the Zach Lowe podcast they weren't 100% sure on the details of how it would work, but were pretty sure it has to be paid for a trade before July 1, and then it goes away. There has never been a trade kicker like Wall's. The league would need to make some determination of how it works consistent with the CBA.