Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

[WallToWall]

I look for ownership to over rule DM sooner than later. They need to move Ben, Ben basically called DM's bluff and pulled the mental health card.

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Anyone know if the mental health out is a new card players are playing? I can't recall other examples

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

A plausible case can be made for Simmons. Between the ridicule from the fan base, the GM's actions, the coach and even players repeated public statements, Simmons could *say* that he suffers from the mental anguish it has caused.

I am waiting for the "poor unprofessional work environment" card to be played.

[closg00]

I look for ownership to over rule DM sooner than later. They need to move Ben, Ben basically called DM's bluff and pulled the mental health card.

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Anyone know if the mental health out is a new card players are playing? I can't recall other examples

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

Posting fail on my part. Simmons "mental health" card is on the heels of Rui's, so I was wondering if he and his agent are piggybacking, or if there are/were any other recent examples that come to mind.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Anyone know if the mental health out is a new card players are playing? I can't recall other examples

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

Posting fail on my part. Simmons "mental health" card is on the heels of Rui's, so I was wondering if he and his agent are piggybacking, or if there are/were any other recent examples that come to mind.

Larry Sanders might be the most relevant example. Different on a whole bunch of levels but still a big one and they had to negotiate a rather massive buyout with him.

[payitforward]

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That could be any of us in this pandemic.

All I am saying is that my life is slowly but surely becoming richer and fuller with a lot more fun! I am getting back to the way I used to be with the help of a lot of good doctors and just life circumstances improving.

Just saw this. Good to hear, man! Keep it up!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

Posting fail on my part. Simmons "mental health" card is on the heels of Rui's, so I was wondering if he and his agent are piggybacking, or if there are/were any other recent examples that come to mind.

Larry Sanders might be the most relevant example. Different on a whole bunch of levels but still a big one and they had to negotiate a rather massive buyout with him.

If you are living a pretty good life and you have never been inside a psych ward or jail cell or you've never felt at least a little bit suicidal or maybe a whole lot overwhelmed you might want to just not comment on this

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Playing a mental health card...

All the years that I got called weak by a first ex-wife (user) or all the times my second (dumbass) ex wife said they "put me out of the military"...

They did not have a clue what mental health stigma or shaming is

They never saw any brain scans that might have shown some sort of traumatic brain injury

There is no telling what is going on in the mind of rui hachimura right now but I know a whole lot of people assume he's weak for not being at Camp because all they give a **** about us what he does on the court...

If I sound a little salty I could tell you about the last 25 years or the last 10 in particular but I will spare you. My experience is pretty unique. I've seen the Other Extreme end of the spectrum the last eight years after child custody was taken away and I was falsely accused

Most recently athletes like Naomi Osaka and Simone biles and rui hachimura have all mentioned something about mental health and they're all young somewhat black people

On the other hand when Freddie Mercury was dying of AIDS he just sang The Show Must Go On

With pro players making a lot of money-- and the rest of us not-- I can see why SOME among the rest of us question their not being in uniform or on court

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am pretty sure a day is coming when the NBA contract allots of certain amount of mental health days that are similar to family medical leave absence days


Some absences should be leave without pay in my opinion and others excused with pay

[I_Like_Dirt]

Posting fail on my part. Simmons "mental health" card is on the heels of Rui's, so I was wondering if he and his agent are piggybacking, or if there are/were any other recent examples that come to mind.

Larry Sanders might be the most relevant example. Different on a whole bunch of levels but still a big one and they had to negotiate a rather massive buyout with him.

If you are living a pretty good life and you have never been inside a psych ward or jail cell or you've never felt at least a little bit suicidal or maybe a whole lot overwhelmed you might want to just not comment on this

Fair enough. I actually didn't mean to compare Sanders to Simmons specifically. I don't really have access to the kind of information that would make for that kind of assessment anyway. We're talking about major mental health issues that have come up in the NBA and there aren't very many. People are rushing to the conclusion that Simmons is faking it and that might even be true but it's impossible to tell.

Most of the NBA's mental health stuff has historically manifested itself in addictions and other self-destructive behavior and the league hasn't been too kind to it. Simmons is playing on a different field here. I'm not sure how I feel about it because I don't want him to be faking it since that hurts the many legitimate cases out there brushed aside but I also don't want this to be legit because that would suck for Simmons.

Morey walked into this kind of discussion once before already with Royce White and the initial public reaction was rather negative against Royce too while I'm not so sure that was warranted in that case, and no, he wasn't like Sanders either. I just don't necessarily think it's wise to go into this assuming Simmons isn't legit here. Morey's the one with the track record.

The biggest complaint from the public usually stems from the fact that they aren't treated as such. That's an argument that they should be treated better too, not the other way around.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wasn't directing my comment at you, ILD

I enjoy everybody's input and I would never be the one to try to censor anybody's opinion

[gambitx777]

I look for ownership to over rule DM sooner than later. They need to move Ben, Ben basically called DM's bluff and pulled the mental health card.

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Anyone know if the mental health out is a new card players are playing? I can't recall other examples

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

I genuinely believe that Rui had something going on. We don't have the full story here and with how that's played out I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have zero faith in be and his team that this is in anyway a serious issue that would have come up if it wasn't in his best financial/public interest to do so. It sheilds him in several way and also continues to tank his value out of spite. And it's just grimy, and it spits in the face of players who have had those legit issues like Trez and possibly Rui.

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[nate33]

Anyone know if the mental health out is a new card players are playing? I can't recall other examples

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

I genuinely believe that Rui had something going on. We don't have the full story here and with how that's played out I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have zero faith in be and his team that this is in anyway a serious issue that would have come up if it wasn't in his best financial/public interest to do so. It sheilds him in several way and also continues to tank his value out of spite. And it's just grimy, and it spits in the face of players who have had those legit issues like Trez and possibly Rui.

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I agree. I didn't mean my post to come off as critical of Rui at all. I'm saying that Rui's mental health issues seem to be legitimate, and he appears to have communicated with the franchise along the proper channels and they seem to be working it out together. It's an example of how the process is supposed to work.

I'm highly skeptical of Ben Simmons. He first skipped training camp and then expected to get paid. After not getting paid, he showed up to practice but dogged it and then started talking about a sore back. When that didn't work, he started talking about mental issues. This seems like a cynical attempt to exploit the legitimate mental health clauses in the CBA in a way so that he gets paid not to play.

[mhd]

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

I genuinely believe that Rui had something going on. We don't have the full story here and with how that's played out I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have zero faith in be and his team that this is in anyway a serious issue that would have come up if it wasn't in his best financial/public interest to do so. It sheilds him in several way and also continues to tank his value out of spite. And it's just grimy, and it spits in the face of players who have had those legit issues like Trez and possibly Rui.

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I agree. I didn't mean my post to come off as critical of Rui at all. I'm saying that Rui's mental health issues seem to be legitimate, and he appears to have communicated with the franchise along the proper channels and they seem to be working it out together. It's an example of how the process is supposed to work.

I'm highly skeptical of Ben Simmons. He first skipped training camp and then expected to get paid. After not getting paid, he showed up to practice but dogged it and then started talking about a sore back. When that didn't work, he started talking about mental issues. This seems like a cynical attempt to exploit the legitimate mental health clauses in the CBA in a way so that he gets paid not to play.

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that the Wiz were caught off-guard by this. Simmons seems to have played this card when he had no other options. If he were legit suffering from mental issues, then there would have been no reports that he would have been fine going to the 3 Cali teams, then any team but Philly.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

I genuinely believe that Rui had something going on. We don't have the full story here and with how that's played out I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have zero faith in be and his team that this is in anyway a serious issue that would have come up if it wasn't in his best financial/public interest to do so. It sheilds him in several way and also continues to tank his value out of spite. And it's just grimy, and it spits in the face of players who have had those legit issues like Trez and possibly Rui.

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I agree. I didn't mean my post to come off as critical of Rui at all. I'm saying that Rui's mental health issues seem to be legitimate, and he appears to have communicated with the franchise along the proper channels and they seem to be working it out together. It's an example of how the process is supposed to work.

I'm highly skeptical of Ben Simmons. He first skipped training camp and then expected to get paid. After not getting paid, he showed up to practice but dogged it and then started talking about a sore back. When that didn't work, he started talking about mental issues. This seems like a cynical attempt to exploit the legitimate mental health clauses in the CBA in a way so that he gets paid not to play.

Here's the thing with Ben. I'm not so sure of the severity we're seeing but ultimately I don't think it took so long for them to realize that they could fabricate something after holding out failed. It's certainly possible, but I feel it's more likely that he was willing to hold out but when he started to show signs of mental health struggles, he went back to the team and then bailed as soon as he could. Medical fraud isn't the easiest thing to pull off, least of all when you're under such high levels of public scrutiny.

[DCZards]

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

Really, Nate. The man is going through a major career crisis with his bosses, teammates, fans, media, etc. publicly weighing in on who he is and is not and you refuse to even consider that he might be dealing with mental health issues. Really?

[badinage]

The transparency of this is laughable. I don’t think there’s any way that this isn’t just complete fabrication. Not that it was for other athletes; it may have been — probably was — real. But this — this is (or for all the world looks like) a gambit.

And so, no, he isn’t deserving of sympathy and understanding — again, assuming this is what I think it is. What he’s deserving of, is scorn — for behaving so cynically.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The transparency of this is laughable. I don’t think there’s any way that this isn’t just complete fabrication. Not that it was for other athletes; it may have been — probably was — real. But this — this is (or for all the world looks like) a gambit.

And so, no, he isn’t deserving of sympathy and understanding — again, assuming this is what I think it is. What he’s deserving of, is scorn — for behaving so cynically.

I am loving this because I don't know either way

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[nate33]

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

Really, Nate. The man is going through a major career crisis with his bosses, teammates, fans, media, etc. publicly weighing in on who he is and is not and you refuse to even consider that he might be dealing with mental health issues. Really?

Making a series of bad decisions and then having to face the consequences of them is not a mental health issue.

[DCZards]

Bob Marley would say that there are a lot of “Crazy Baldheads” comments in this thread the last couple of days.

Posters who "eat up all our corn and treat us with a scorn."

[bsilver]

Rui Hachimura?

Not that I mean that Rui is cynically "pulling the mental health card". But he is an example of a guy who is missing games for a mental health issue and still getting paid.

What Simmons seems to be doing is outrageous and contemptable. He is just trying to find a way to get paid without having to play, so he is fabricating a mental health issue where one doesn't exist.

Really, Nate. The man is going through a major career crisis with his bosses, teammates, fans, media, etc. publicly weighing in on who he is and is not and you refuse to even consider that he might be dealing with mental health issues. Really?

Making a series of bad decisions and then having to face the consequences of them is not a mental health issue.

Lots of things cause stress including making bad decisions. That’s normal and most of us eventually deal with it. But if you google, can stress cause depression, the answer is obviously yes according to medical studies.

Simmons is definitely stressed, but there’s no way to know much beyond that.

[dckingsfan]

Roberts said, "Really? Is it so hard to believe that Ben’s not mentally at a place to compete? Professional athletes — like the rest of us — have difficult periods in our lives that require time and energy to heal. We have and will continue to provide Ben with the support and resources he needs to work through this. Threatening the prospect of 'another four years' serves no one’s interests. Like Tobias (Harris), I say let’s respect Ben’s space and embrace him while allowing him the time to move forward.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264522/Michele-Roberts-Calls-Out-Daryl-Moreys-Comments-On-Ben-Simmons