Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

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The freaking out here is hilarious. If Beal wants out, he'll likely tell the Wizards in advance. He seems to have a good enough relationship with Shepp & Ted that if gets fed up at some point, he tell them.

Beal at no point has wavered in his commitment to DC but here we are. I assume he's staying until the offseason and the Wizards will either extend him or work with the teams he's interested in going to. AD maintained plenty of trade value in his final offseason and he had long wanted out.

If Beal wants to be here to turn things around, he should be here and the Wizards need to do everything to put a better team around him.

Agree with this, especially the last part.

If Beal wants out, I’m fairly certain he’ll make it known in plenty of time for the Zards to get a good return on a trade for him.

I agree 100%.

The FO & owner can start by doing a good job of running the franchise. That is the single most important issue. Until they do that, how can Brad take a positive view of staying here? &, ultimately, what does it matter if he stays here or goes?

We've proven we can stink with Brad on the roster. Which is why this last off-season was such an epic fail and so disheartening. We got older & less talented rather than younger & more talented.

(Rant or ramble: I want to put the blame for this on Ted Leonsis rather than Tommy Sheppard. I want to think that Ted told Tommy to try to make us "respectable." I want to, but... is it true? If so, then maybe Ted learns something from it.

(But, if this mess was on Tommy's initiative, then at least partly maybe mostly it undoes the enthusiasm I felt from the sequence of moves he'd made, beginning with his insistence on our signing Thomas Bryant, right through to our picking Deni Avdija -- with the exceptions, that is, of his drafting Rui & Admiral (tho in that case at least there was the good news that he was willing to buy a R2 pick -- i.e. an indication of difference from Ernie).

(That enthusiasm waned as I saw him handle the rest of the 2020 draft with so little imagination & no evidence of any strategy. The signings that followed (Gill, Lopez, Neto) made no sense to me (Neto maybe).

(So, at this point, I'm kind of waiting for the next move of any kind that's oriented towards rebuilding the organization rather than patching a hole. If none comes, I fear I'll be ready to give up on Tommy.)

[sixers4real]

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

[Dat2U]

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton + Matisse Thybulle + Furkan Korkmaz + Danny Green + Terrence Ferguson + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

Your not coming in peace with that offer lol. Ben Simmons is a must in any discussion for Beal.

[TGW]

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

With all due respect...hell no. Keep your bench players.

And unlike most, I don’t want Simmons. He’s such a self check offensively that it’s like playing 4 on 5 offensively.

[Ruzious]

It appears the longer we wait, the less likely we can get De'Andre Hunter. He's coming off a 33 point (13 of 22) game against Milwaukee. Okongwu's still raw now, but he might not be by the end of the season.

[gambitx777]

Hi, I like milton and MT but you would need to find a way to flip the other three in a 4-5 team trade for firsts and young assets to get beal

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

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[sixers4real]

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton + Matisse Thybulle + Furkan Korkmaz + Danny Green + Terrence Ferguson + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

Your not coming in peace with that offer lol. Ben Simmons is a must in any discussion for Beal.

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

With all due respect...hell no. Keep your bench players.

And unlike most, I don’t want Simmons. He’s such a self check offensively that it’s like playing 4 on 5 offensively.

Hi, I like milton and MT but you would need to find a way to flip the other three in a 4-5 team trade for firsts and young assets to get beal

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

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Thank you for your replies.

I wonder what is your asking price for Bradley Beal?
Let's say he demands a trade (I guess it will not be publicly).
What are your real expectations for a trade? With examples, if possible.

You will be in a complete rebuild and tank mode, right? Wanting to get as many picks as possible and young players?

[gambitx777]

North of what the bucks gave for holiday and just south of what the nets gave up for harden maybe even since beal isn't a locker room problem and younger.

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton + Matisse Thybulle + Furkan Korkmaz + Danny Green + Terrence Ferguson + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

Your not coming in peace with that offer lol. Ben Simmons is a must in any discussion for Beal.

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

With all due respect...hell no. Keep your bench players.

And unlike most, I don’t want Simmons. He’s such a self check offensively that it’s like playing 4 on 5 offensively.

Hi, I like milton and MT but you would need to find a way to flip the other three in a 4-5 team trade for firsts and young assets to get beal

Sixers fan, come with peace.

Would you be interested in this type of package for Bradley Beal? Expirings + 2 good young players + picks and swaps.

Shake Milton (great contract) + Matisse Thybulle (rookie contract) + Furkan Korkmaz (exp) + Danny Green (exp)+ Terrence Ferguson (exp) + 2 FRPs picks + 3 FRP swaps

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Thank you for your replies.

I wonder what is your asking price for Bradley Beal?
Let's say he demands a trade (I guess it will not be publicly).
What are your real expectations for a trade? With examples, if possible.

You will be in a complete rebuild and tank mode, right? Wanting to get as many picks as possible and young players?

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app

[Dat2U]

It appears the longer we wait, the less likely we can get De'Andre Hunter. He's coming off a 33 point (13 of 22) game against Milwaukee. Okongwu's still raw now, but he might not be by the end of the season.

I'm not sure Atlanta would be in the market for Beal at this time. Offense is not an issue for them at all.

Miami, Denver, Golden State, Philly, Toronto, NO and maybe Boston would likely be making offers. We know Ainge's offer will be some BS so I was kinda hesitant to include them. Ainge will probably offer a package starring Grant Williams for Beal but digress. Lakers, Clippers, Dallas & Milwaukee don't have the pieces but would at least call. Anyone else is just taking a gamble.

That Minny pick looks to be either 4 or 5 or kicked out to the following year so some risk involved with that if you make a trade prior to the deadline. If that pick does end up at 4 or 5, then GS's offer gets better post lottery as you still get picks down the road. You get a high lottery pick to immediately add to your own and still get Wiseman. Wiggins also doesn't look like one of the five worst contracts in league anymore, just a solid but overpaid wing.

Also lets say a team fighting for a playoff spot could end up just missing the playoffs but they land a top 4 pick. How would we feel about a package NO could put together if they landed the 2nd pick in the draft? What if NY or ORL land a top 3 and wants to use it in a package to acquire a "all-star"?

[TGW]

Thank you for your replies.

I wonder what is your asking price for Bradley Beal?
Let's say he demands a trade (I guess it will not be publicly).
What are your real expectations for a trade? With examples, if possible.

You will be in a complete rebuild and tank mode, right? Wanting to get as many picks as possible and young players?

At least one premium young player 22 and younger (Tyler Herro and Michael Porter Jr come to mind), and at least 2 FRPS would be my lowest acceptable package.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Toronto trade idea:

Bonga and Robinson for Patrick McCaw and Yuta Tabuse

McCaw is a SG who defends well. Yuta is Japanese.Both have DMV ties, McCaw to Montrose Christian and Yuta to GW. Gets rid of Robinson’s salary and frees Bonga from Brooks. Gives a second fluent Japanese for whatever that does for Rui if anything.

[Ruzious]

It appears the longer we wait, the less likely we can get De'Andre Hunter. He's coming off a 33 point (13 of 22) game against Milwaukee. Okongwu's still raw now, but he might not be by the end of the season.

I'm not sure Atlanta would be in the market for Beal at this time. Offense is not an issue for them at all.

Miami, Denver, Golden State, Philly, Toronto, NO and maybe Boston would likely be making offers. We know Ainge's offer will be some BS so I was kinda hesitant to include them. Ainge will probably offer a package starring Grant Williams for Beal but digress. Lakers, Clippers, Dallas & Milwaukee don't have the pieces but would at least call. Anyone else is just taking a gamble.

That Minny pick looks to be either 4 or 5 or kicked out to the following year so some risk involved with that if you make a trade prior to the deadline. If that pick does end up at 4 or 5, then GS's offer gets better post lottery as you still get picks down the road. You get a high lottery pick to immediately add to your own and still get Wiseman. Wiggins also doesn't look like one of the five worst contracts in league anymore, just a solid but overpaid wing.

Also lets say a team fighting for a playoff spot could end up just missing the playoffs but they land a top 4 pick. How would we feel about a package NO could put together if they landed the 2nd pick in the draft? What if NY or ORL land a top 3 and wants to use it in a package to acquire a "all-star"?

So make it a 3-way with Atlanta. They're .500 with an excess of good players, so they must be in the market for something.

[prime1time]

There is nothing that De’Andre Hunter can do that would put me in a rush to trade Beal.

[Ruzious]

There is nothing that De’Andre Hunter can do that would put me in a rush to trade Beal.

Hey, he's no Patrick Williams, but he's still pretty good.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2925631-the-10-best-trade-chips-in-the-nba-right-now

[nate33]

Toronto trade idea:

Bonga and Robinson for Patrick McCaw and Yuta Tabuse

McCaw is a SG who defends well. Yuta is Japanese.Both have DMV ties, McCaw to Montrose Christian and Yuta to GW. Gets rid of Robinson’s salary and frees Bonga from Brooks. Gives a second fluent Japanese for whatever that does for Rui if anything.

Robinson and Bonga are both expiring contracts. There is no advantage to "getting rid of them" except we lose RFA rights and Bird Rights.

Now, if you want to argue that Yuta and McCaw are more talented than Bonga and Robinson, that's fine. I haven't watched them play at all so I have no idea. I'm just saying there's no contractual advantage to this move whatsoever.

[doclinkin]

Thank you for your replies.

I wonder what is your asking price for Bradley Beal?
Let's say he demands a trade (I guess it will not be publicly).
What are your real expectations for a trade? With examples, if possible.

You will be in a complete rebuild and tank mode, right? Wanting to get as many picks as possible and young players?

If Beal quietly requests a trade the expectation would be an auction for his services. Essentially look at the most you would give to obtain him, then look around to see who might outlast you in a bidding war. Then ask if you had a little more to give.

Beal is an instant fit next to any starter. He plays well with and without the ball. He is a remarkably efficient high volume scorer, who passes and does not turn the ball over. On defense he is average, but has been above average when his usage rate on offense is lessened. He has proven to be a solid rebounder from the guard position and has floor stretching range. In addition he is a coach's dream. Locker room leader, teacher of young players, good character and thoughtful. He is politically active without being disruptive. The only way the Wizards move on from him is if he wants to play for a current contender. That is your loophole: what teams are potential winners who need a lead guard to carry them over the top? It limits the pool of competitors for his service. Mock up the best offer those teams can offer, then top it.

[NatP4]

There is nothing that De’Andre Hunter can do that would put me in a rush to trade Beal.

One of the best defenders in the NBA, super efficient low usage, 23 years old. Hunter is starting to look like the next Kawhi. 20-6-2-1 per 36, less than 2 turnovers, 65% TS.

I’m not sure why Atlanta would even want to trade him straight up for Beal right now.

Raptor player ratings now have John Collins at 10, and Hunter at 17th in the NBA, both above Beal.

Atlanta would never do the deal now.

[Dat2U]

There is nothing that De’Andre Hunter can do that would put me in a rush to trade Beal.

One of the best defenders in the NBA, super efficient low usage, 23 years old. Hunter is starting to look like the next Kawhi. 20-6-2-1 per 36, less than 2 turnovers, 65% TS.

I’m not sure why Atlanta would even want to trade him straight up for Beal right now.

Raptor player ratings now have John Collins at 10, and Hunter at 17th in the NBA, both above Beal.

Atlanta would never do the deal now.

Let's calm down on Kawhi comparisons. Also I'm sure every GM checks a players' RAPTOR rating before considering any move.

[Dat2U]

It appears the longer we wait, the less likely we can get De'Andre Hunter. He's coming off a 33 point (13 of 22) game against Milwaukee. Okongwu's still raw now, but he might not be by the end of the season.

I'm not sure Atlanta would be in the market for Beal at this time. Offense is not an issue for them at all.

Miami, Denver, Golden State, Philly, Toronto, NO and maybe Boston would likely be making offers. We know Ainge's offer will be some BS so I was kinda hesitant to include them. Ainge will probably offer a package starring Grant Williams for Beal but digress. Lakers, Clippers, Dallas & Milwaukee don't have the pieces but would at least call. Anyone else is just taking a gamble.

That Minny pick looks to be either 4 or 5 or kicked out to the following year so some risk involved with that if you make a trade prior to the deadline. If that pick does end up at 4 or 5, then GS's offer gets better post lottery as you still get picks down the road. You get a high lottery pick to immediately add to your own and still get Wiseman. Wiggins also doesn't look like one of the five worst contracts in league anymore, just a solid but overpaid wing.

Also lets say a team fighting for a playoff spot could end up just missing the playoffs but they land a top 4 pick. How would we feel about a package NO could put together if they landed the 2nd pick in the draft? What if NY or ORL land a top 3 and wants to use it in a package to acquire a "all-star"?

So make it a 3-way with Atlanta. They're .500 with an excess of good players, so they must be in the market for something.

I'm sure Atlanta just can't wait to give away Hunter as the 3rd team in a three team deal lol.

I'm under the impression that Atlanta isn't ready for any sort of all in move for a title right now. I think they'd just be happy with a playoff appearance.

[NatP4]

There is nothing that De’Andre Hunter can do that would put me in a rush to trade Beal.

One of the best defenders in the NBA, super efficient low usage, 23 years old. Hunter is starting to look like the next Kawhi. 20-6-2-1 per 36, less than 2 turnovers, 65% TS.

I’m not sure why Atlanta would even want to trade him straight up for Beal right now.

Raptor player ratings now have John Collins at 10, and Hunter at 17th in the NBA, both above Beal.

Atlanta would never do the deal now.

Let's calm down on Kawhi comparisons. Also I'm sure every GM checks a players' RAPTOR rating before considering any move.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=leonaka01&p1yrfrom=2013&player_id2=huntede01&p2yrfrom=2021

I’m not sure what NBA GMs look at that leads them to believe that Robin Lopez is worth 7.5 million/year.

We are like every board out there. We underrate other teams players, and overrate our own.