Political Roundtable Part XXX

[pancakes3]

drug orgies are like the least objectionable thing about the GOP and yet with super red western NC voters, it was the deepest line in the sand.

i would think that the voting base that's hopped up on pedophilia and sex trafficking conspiracy theories would WANT to get more insiders in office to tell tales out of school and drain the swamp.

but it's just another example of GOP voters lying through their teeth about their actual beliefs. none of it is about fighting corruption, none of it is about moral character. they're just rooting for a team and don't know or care why.

[pancakes3]

oy veh.

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[Zonkerbl]

well, he's got the "I'm a privileged white guy and a BILLIONAIRE but somehow I'm the victim" thing right

[Pointgod]

There are a couple of interesting theories of the case in the Senate races.

Fetterman and Tim Ryan can prove the case from some Democrats that the party should only focus on the white working class voters to win. The Bernie wing of the party believe that as long as a candidate supports Medicare for all they’ll win anywhere. Charles Booker and Fetterman could prove that theory ,although each race is distinct and candidate matters as well. If there are upsets, it would be interesting to see which states they’re in. All that matters is that Democrats win enough to expand their numbers in the House and Senate.

[Pointgod]

Funny none of the Republicans that lost are claiming that their elections were rigged or stolen…… funny how that works..

[Pointgod]

well, he's got the "I'm a privileged white guy and a BILLIONAIRE but somehow I'm the victim" thing right

I can’t for the life of me understand how rich white guys always see themselves as victims? Can someone explain it to me? I’m general lost how all of these middle to upper class guys believe the world is unfair to them.

[queridiculo]

oy veh.

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Elon Musk is a troll.

I'd take this with a metric ton of salt.

[FAH1223]

oy veh.

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Elon Musk is a troll.

I'd take this with a metric ton of salt.

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[queridiculo]

oy veh.

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Elon Musk is a troll.

I'd take this with a metric ton of salt.

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An unhinged troll?

[FAH1223]

There are a couple of interesting theories of the case in the Senate races.

Fetterman and Tim Ryan can prove the case from some Democrats that the party should only focus on the white working class voters to win. The Bernie wing of the party believe that as long as a candidate supports Medicare for all they’ll win anywhere. Charles Booker and Fetterman could prove that theory ,although each race is distinct and candidate matters as well. If there are upsets, it would be interesting to see which states they’re in. All that matters is that Democrats win enough to expand their numbers in the House and Senate.

Fetterman looks to be a strong candidate... in an R+3 environment and a GOP leaning state... he's going need to recover from his latest medical and get out to every county these next 5 months..

Ryan unfortunately has no shot. Ohio is firmly in GOP hands. I think Sherrod Brown is the only Dem who can win statewide at this point.

Booker is also in an unfortunate spot in Kentucky. Rand Paul isn't liked or highly approved but like will win easily..

Cortez Masto in NV, Warnock in GA, and Kelly in AZ have to win for Dems to keep their majority...

The race in WI also may be competitive... Ron Johnson is a terrible US Senator.

[FAH1223]

An unhinged troll?

Guy is out of pocket.

[Zonkerbl]

There are a couple of interesting theories of the case in the Senate races.

Fetterman and Tim Ryan can prove the case from some Democrats that the party should only focus on the white working class voters to win. The Bernie wing of the party believe that as long as a candidate supports Medicare for all they’ll win anywhere. Charles Booker and Fetterman could prove that theory ,although each race is distinct and candidate matters as well. If there are upsets, it would be interesting to see which states they’re in. All that matters is that Democrats win enough to expand their numbers in the House and Senate.

Although Fetterman seems to have a lot of charisma, making people want to vote for him regardless of his policies. Well, maybe that's how you get necessary change done, you hitch your carriage to a powerful engine that's willing to take you along for the ride.

Worked for the Republicans :smh:

[Zonkerbl]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/05/19/recession-economy-markets/

I'm not a macroeconomist, so maybe this is correct. Or maybe I'm right and there's no real world reason for a recession to happen, but there are a number of psychological problems going on:

1) After taking ten years to readjust from the 2001-2007 growth path to the 2009-post covid growth path, we are finally back to a normal macroeconomic situation where printing too much money results in inflation (we had a ten year period where readjusting to a lower capital stock meant you could lower interest rates as much as you wanted and have zero effect on investment), which is causing a bunch of idiots who believed in the New Monetary Theory to panic

2) There could be genuine contractionary problems in China, which is probably not enjoying every supply chain in the world desperately trying to diversify away from them

3) People are stupid and are overreacting to deliberate misinformation being spread by right wing agitprop distributors

Hopefully reality will prevail, that the world economy is recovering from several years of extremely stupid Trump policies that hurt the world economy (his idiotic trade war and his idiotic approach to COVID), and except for a mild possibility of inflation causing the economy to overheat, there's no reason to expect a recession. Diversifying supply chains away from China will raise costs but reduce risk so on net, after you get over the pain of doing it, it should encourage growth.

I don't know why the Biden administration has been telling people the price spikes due to supply chains are "temporary." I think the economists are giving bad advice. When I say the supply chain spikes are temporary, it means when the market has a chance to adjust the price spike will go away. But not in the next 3 months! The world distribution system needs to recalibrate, probably meaning significant physical investment in manufacturing and shipping capacity in countries other than China. That doesn't happen overnight.

Economists need to say the adjustment can take a few years, depending on whether major physical investment is required.

If we got rid of Republican-dairy-lobby-requested bans on dairy product imports we could solve the infant formula problem *tomorrow.* BTW.

[Pointgod]

There are a couple of interesting theories of the case in the Senate races.

Fetterman and Tim Ryan can prove the case from some Democrats that the party should only focus on the white working class voters to win. The Bernie wing of the party believe that as long as a candidate supports Medicare for all they’ll win anywhere. Charles Booker and Fetterman could prove that theory ,although each race is distinct and candidate matters as well. If there are upsets, it would be interesting to see which states they’re in. All that matters is that Democrats win enough to expand their numbers in the House and Senate.

Fetterman looks to be a strong candidate... in an R+3 environment and a GOP leaning state... he's going need to recover from his latest medical and get out to every county these next 5 months..

Ryan unfortunately has no shot. Ohio is firmly in GOP hands. I think Sherrod Brown is the only Dem who can win statewide at this point.

Booker is also in an unfortunate spot in Kentucky. Rand Paul isn't liked or highly approved but like will win easily..

Cortez Masto in NV, Warnock in GA, and Kelly in AZ have to win for Dems to keep their majority...

The race in WI also may be competitive... Ron Johnson is a terrible US Senator.

If you look at election trends, if the Democrats win all the battle ground states that Biden won, they’d expand their numbers in the Senate by 2 (add Wisconsin and Pennsylvania). It would not be unlike when the Republicans expanded Senate seats in 2018 despite the head winds in the House. It should be all hands on deck to elect every single Democrat.

Also the Senate race in Utah would prove an interesting theory of the case as to whether Independents are better candidates in Red States.

[dckingsfan]

Also the Senate race in Utah would prove an interesting theory of the case as to whether Independents are better candidates in Red States.

I think that this is something that really should be studied by Ds. Partnering with Independents would be a really good move in the swing states. If an independent is doing really well, the D candidate might want to take a step back - but that would be really hard on the D candidates' ego.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm bored, let's stir things up and talk about replacement theory:

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The United States is the greatest country in the world and everyone wants to move here. We benefit tremendously from being able to skim off the most talented people from other countries. It's not too much to ask that these people who bring so much benefit to our economy have a say in how the country is run.

This is the one area where the Dems have invested decades of time, showing up at immigration naturalization ceremonies and encouraging them to vote Democrat. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think the Dems need to embrace it. Yes we are trying to break the unholy alliance between white supremacy and oligarchic kleptocrats (like tfg) and you, new immigrants, can help us do it.

Love to see the Dems just run ads that are nothing but naturalized citizens taking the naturalization oath.

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

[Pointgod]

There are a couple of interesting theories of the case in the Senate races.

Fetterman and Tim Ryan can prove the case from some Democrats that the party should only focus on the white working class voters to win. The Bernie wing of the party believe that as long as a candidate supports Medicare for all they’ll win anywhere. Charles Booker and Fetterman could prove that theory ,although each race is distinct and candidate matters as well. If there are upsets, it would be interesting to see which states they’re in. All that matters is that Democrats win enough to expand their numbers in the House and Senate.

Although Fetterman seems to have a lot of charisma, making people want to vote for him regardless of his policies. Well, maybe that's how you get necessary change done, you hitch your carriage to a powerful engine that's willing to take you along for the ride.

Worked for the Republicans :smh:

Fetterman is a great example for Progressives that you they should run to their states or districts not on some purity bull. Fetterman he positions himself as pro police and he’s not pushing a ban on fracking. He’s also pro marijuana legalization and sentencing reform. Guess what if that’s what works for Pennsylvania, then so be it.

Democrats in Pennsylvania need to run on a unified Democratic ticket. The Republicans just elected a wannabe Facist as their candidate for Governor and even if Shapiro wins, he won’t be able to get anything done with a Republican state legislature.

[Zonkerbl]

I feel like Fetterman's an example, like Trump was, that noninformed voters (which is about 80% of them) respond more to personality than policy.

[TGW]

What a loser.

https://www.newsweek.com/half-joe-biden-twitter-followers-are-fake-audit-elon-musk-1707244

[Zonkerbl]

who cares?