Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[Benjammin]

^I completely agree with you, but it doesn't mean we're right.

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[Ruzious]

Am I the only one who sees the current Wizards lineup as;
Dinwiddie, Holiday, Winston
Beal, KCP, Neto
Kuzma, Deni, Respert
Rui, Bertans, Todd
Gafford, Harrell, Bryant (Until he's fully recovered in Dec, & assumes the starting role),

I see sites with KCP projected as our starting three. I see post saying Kuzma is best at the four, & Rui off the bench. I'm not one who thinks this can't be our best lineup going forward. Please elaborate as to where I'm waaaaay off base in my thinking. Thanks!

That's also how I see it. Kispert - instead of Respert.

Interesting about KCP; I'm not sure when's the last time we had a legit 3 and D wing, and I think that's what he is. Seems that he does have a good rep for his defense. Made 41% of his 3's - becoming a 3 point shooting specialist - doesn't do much else offensively. A key player for the 19-20 NBA champions.

[Dat2U]

Yeah, I guess I'll continue to be lone one to rail against the idea of Rui & Kuz starting together. I see a duplication of skills and traits that make me think it's not an ideal pairing. I don't think neither is the toughest cat mentally. Neither does the dirty work. Both offer little utility outside of scoring ability. Neither has great awareness for what's going on around them on either side of the ball. Neither will make their teammates better. Kuz definitely has strong case of tunnel vision and questionable shot selection in the past. Neither is stopper defensively or known for grabbing tough rebounds. I just don't see a clean fit with both in the lineup together.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I guess I'll continue to be lone one to rail against the idea of Rui & Kuz starting together. I see a duplication of skills and traits that make me think it's not an ideal pairing. I don't think neither is the toughest cat mentally. Neither does the dirty work. Both offer little utility outside of scoring ability. Neither has great awareness for what's going on around them on either side of the ball. Neither will make their teammates better. Kuz definitely has strong case of tunnel vision and questionable shot selection in the past. Neither is stopper defensively or known for grabbing tough rebounds. I just don't see a clean fit with both in the lineup together.

I think the real problem is - we don't have a top-notch forward - and that's one of the reasons we should consolidate - making a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade. I'd target Miles Bridges - but don't know if he's gettable. I think it's possible, because he'll be an RFA after this season. Of course, that means trading for him means that we'd have to pay him.

[dckingsfan]

Yeah, I guess I'll continue to be lone one to rail against the idea of Rui & Kuz starting together. I see a duplication of skills and traits that make me think it's not an ideal pairing. I don't think neither is the toughest cat mentally. Neither does the dirty work. Both offer little utility outside of scoring ability. Neither has great awareness for what's going on around them on either side of the ball. Neither will make their teammates better. Kuz definitely has strong case of tunnel vision and questionable shot selection in the past. Neither is stopper defensively or known for grabbing tough rebounds. I just don't see a clean fit with both in the lineup together.

I think the real problem is - we don't have a top-notch forward - and that's one of the reasons we should consolidate - making a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade. I'd target Miles Bridges - but don't know if he's gettable. I think it's possible, because he'll be an RFA after this season. Of course, that means trading for him means that we'd have to pay him.

So, my crystal ball has it this way.

PG: Dinwiddie, Holiday, Neto
SG: Beal, KCP
SF: KCP, Bertans
PF: Hachurma, Kuzma
C: Gafford, Harrell

Avidja & Bryant will be limited at the start of the season due to their injuries and it will last longer than either of them will want.

Neto will get more play due to the minutes restriction if/when of Dinwiddie.

We will be disappointed by the lack of PT for Kispert.

Winston & Todd will get virtually no PT.

Anyway, my 1/2 cent.

[Frichuela]

Yeah, I guess I'll continue to be lone one to rail against the idea of Rui & Kuz starting together. I see a duplication of skills and traits that make me think it's not an ideal pairing. I don't think neither is the toughest cat mentally. Neither does the dirty work. Both offer little utility outside of scoring ability. Neither has great awareness for what's going on around them on either side of the ball. Neither will make their teammates better. Kuz definitely has strong case of tunnel vision and questionable shot selection in the past. Neither is stopper defensively or known for grabbing tough rebounds. I just don't see a clean fit with both in the lineup together.

I think the real problem is - we don't have a top-notch forward - and that's one of the reasons we should consolidate - making a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade. I'd target Miles Bridges - but don't know if he's gettable. I think it's possible, because he'll be an RFA after this season. Of course, that means trading for him means that we'd have to pay him.

So, my crystal ball has it this way.

PG: Dinwiddie, Holiday, Neto
SG: Beal, KCP
SF: KCP, Bertans
PF: Hachurma, Kuzma
C: Gafford, Harrell

Avidja & Bryant will be limited at the start of the season due to their injuries and it will last longer than either of them will want.

Neto will get more play due to the minutes restriction if/when of Dinwiddie.

We will be disappointed by the lack of PT for Kispert.

Winston & Todd will get virtually no PT.

Anyway, my 1/2 cent.

I am afraid this may be the case both re Avdija and Kispert...Let's hope we are wrong!

[nate33]

Yeah, I guess I'll continue to be lone one to rail against the idea of Rui & Kuz starting together. I see a duplication of skills and traits that make me think it's not an ideal pairing. I don't think neither is the toughest cat mentally. Neither does the dirty work. Both offer little utility outside of scoring ability. Neither has great awareness for what's going on around them on either side of the ball. Neither will make their teammates better. Kuz definitely has strong case of tunnel vision and questionable shot selection in the past. Neither is stopper defensively or known for grabbing tough rebounds. I just don't see a clean fit with both in the lineup together.

I agree that their respective skillsets are somewhat duplicative, but I wouldn't put it so harshly. I think both are pretty good on-ball defenders but are lousy off ball. Likewise, both guys are pretty useful in creating a shot when they have the ball, but they are lousy playmakers. Both guys would be better off paired with a forward that offsets their weakness - someone who has good awareness on team defense and a good off-ball game on offense, like Avdija or Kispert or Bertans.

So, yeah, Hachimura and Kuzma shouldn't start together. Start one of them with Bertans/Avdija/Kispert, and play the other one with someone else.

I'd start Bertans and Hachimura, with Avdija and Kuzma on the 2nd unit. Unless Kispert is so good from the get-go that he can supplant Bertans in the starting lineup.

The best case would be to showcase Bertans early, and the trade him for picks and cap relief.

[doclinkin]

Man. Too bad this conversation is buried in the TRADE thread instead of the LINE-UPS thread created for that purpose. It would be useful to be able to back up and refer to it where it wouldnt be lost.

I guess I'll take my thoughts there.

[J-Ves]

What’s the board’s opinion of Jerami Grant? Looking at the Wiz’ roster as constructed there is still a need at starting SF. If Detroit continues to tank to add to their Cade core then I would expect Grant to be on the block this season.

[mhd]

What’s the board’s opinion of Jerami Grant? Looking at the Wiz’ roster as constructed there is still a need at starting SF. If Detroit continues to tank to add to their Cade core then I would expect Grant to be on the block this season.

Don't want him. His production fell off a cliff during the later part of the year. We have enough forwards to develop.

[pcbothwel]

What’s the board’s opinion of Jerami Grant? Looking at the Wiz’ roster as constructed there is still a need at starting SF. If Detroit continues to tank to add to their Cade core then I would expect Grant to be on the block this season.

Don't want him. His production fell off a cliff during the later part of the year. We have enough forwards to develop.

Agreed. Ill give him a break as he played 7 more minutes and almost doubled his usage... But his last 30 games were terrible

[nate33]

What’s the board’s opinion of Jerami Grant? Looking at the Wiz’ roster as constructed there is still a need at starting SF. If Detroit continues to tank to add to their Cade core then I would expect Grant to be on the block this season.

He would be an interesting consolidation target if we could trade them two players for one. But I'm unwilling to trade them Avdija, Kispert or Rui for a 27-year-old, and I'm assuming they wouldn't have much interest in a Kuzma + Bertans for Grant trade unless we threw in more assets.

[jangles86]

Bertans for Marcus Smart

Anybody think this would be a great deal for both teams?

[payitforward]

It would be great for us, to be sure. Not for them.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

It would be great for us, to be sure. Not for them.

Agreed, great trade if we could get him for Bertans and one of Kuzma, Harrell, or Bryant. Only issue would be the assumption that he wants to start at this point in his career. I don't know how we'd be able to trot out a lineup of Dimwiddie, Beal, and Smart even if Smart, I'd assume, would take the best offensive player. He'd be awesome to have off the bench and to finish games.

[payitforward]

It would be great for us, to be sure. Not for them.

Agreed, great trade if we could get him for Bertans and one of Kuzma, Harrell, or Bryant. Only issue would be the assumption that he wants to start at this point in his career. I don't know how we'd be able to trot out a lineup of Dimwiddie, Beal, and Smart even if Smart, I'd assume, would take the best offensive player. He'd be awesome to have off the bench and to finish games.

Might be good to get clear on the following fact: we are not in a position to trade Thomas Bryant. Not unless we're getting back another Center.

We all love Daniel Gafford, but at this point it appears that 20 minutes a game is about his limit. That may change, of course, but that's how it was last year, & we can't just assume he's going to be able to play 30 minutes on a regular basis. In fact, we can't assume he'll be able to play 25 on a regular basis.

Montrezl Harrell is a Center, of course. But, he's 6'7". That might work if you have an all star, enormous stud at the 4 -- i.e. Anthony Davis. But, starting Rui & Harrell at the 4 & the 5 is not a great idea.

I don't know why Boston would want to trade Smart anyway, so it's a moot point.

[nate33]

It would be great for us, to be sure. Not for them.

Agreed, great trade if we could get him for Bertans and one of Kuzma, Harrell, or Bryant. Only issue would be the assumption that he wants to start at this point in his career. I don't know how we'd be able to trot out a lineup of Dimwiddie, Beal, and Smart even if Smart, I'd assume, would take the best offensive player. He'd be awesome to have off the bench and to finish games.

Might be good to get clear on the following fact: we are not in a position to trade Thomas Bryant. Not unless we're getting back another Center.

We all love Daniel Gafford, but at this point it appears that 20 minutes a game is about his limit. That may change, of course, but that's how it was last year, & we can't just assume he's going to be able to play 30 minutes on a regular basis. In fact, we can't assume he'll be able to play 25 on a regular basis.

Montrezl Harrell is a Center, of course. But, he's 6'7". That might work if you have an all star, enormous stud at the 4 -- i.e. Anthony Davis. But, starting Rui & Harrell at the 4 & the 5 is not a great idea.

I don't know why Boston would want to trade Smart anyway, so it's a moot point.

I agree that Gafford hasn't proven to be a full time center, but it's a stretch to say that 20 minutes a game is his limit. I don't think there's any reason he can't go 24-28 minutes. That's just four 6-7 minute stints with about 10 minutes rest in between each.

But, yes, we will need at least one more center who can play 20-24 minutes a night, not a just a mediocre backup center on a vet minimum deal who will play just 12 minutes a game. Resigning Bryant on a manageable deal would be ideal.

Regarding Bertans for Smart, it's certainly interesting from a salary dump perspective, but I don't really see much use for Smart on this team. I'd rather flip him elsewhere for a pick or consolidate him with someone else and get back a better player.

[nate33]

I wonder if we can still make a play for Reddish at some point. Atlanta has too many rookie salary guys who will soon want to be paid. They can't pay them all. Reddish could be the odd man out. They might be interested in trading him for someone with a long term, cost-controlled contract like Kuzma. It gets us a true SF, we don't really have one on this roster.

[payitforward]

Agreed, great trade if we could get him for Bertans and one of Kuzma, Harrell, or Bryant. Only issue would be the assumption that he wants to start at this point in his career. I don't know how we'd be able to trot out a lineup of Dimwiddie, Beal, and Smart even if Smart, I'd assume, would take the best offensive player. He'd be awesome to have off the bench and to finish games.

Might be good to get clear on the following fact: we are not in a position to trade Thomas Bryant. Not unless we're getting back another Center.

We all love Daniel Gafford, but at this point it appears that 20 minutes a game is about his limit. That may change, of course, but that's how it was last year, & we can't just assume he's going to be able to play 30 minutes on a regular basis. In fact, we can't assume he'll be able to play 25 on a regular basis.

Montrezl Harrell is a Center, of course. But, he's 6'7". That might work if you have an all star, enormous stud at the 4 -- i.e. Anthony Davis. But, starting Rui & Harrell at the 4 & the 5 is not a great idea.

I don't know why Boston would want to trade Smart anyway, so it's a moot point.

I agree that Gafford hasn't proven to be a full time center, but it's a stretch to say that 20 minutes a game is his limit. I don't think there's any reason he can't go 24-28 minutes. That's just four 6-7 minute stints with about 10 minutes rest in between each.

But, yes, we will need at least one more center who can play 20-24 minutes a night, not a just a mediocre backup center on a vet minimum deal who will play just 12 minutes a game. Resigning Bryant on a manageable deal would be ideal.

Regarding Bertans for Smart, it's certainly interesting from a salary dump perspective, but I don't really see much use for Smart on this team. I'd rather flip him elsewhere for a pick or consolidate him with someone else and get back a better player.

True, "limit" is the wrong word. But, that was the pattern last year, & he's yet to actually demonstrate that he can play more than that with any regularity.

& when he does, & when he remains as productive as he is on shorter minutes, & when we have another Center we want to give the remaining 20-24 minutes, why then we can think about trading Thomas Bryant if there's an attractive deal available. Until then... we are not in a position to trade Thomas Bryant.

I'm sure, all the same, that virtually every trade idea in this thread will be based on our sending him out.

[pcbothwel]

I wonder if we can still make a play for Reddish at some point. Atlanta has too many rookie salary guys who will soon want to be paid. They can't pay them all. Reddish could be the odd man out. They might be interested in trading him for someone with a long term, cost-controlled contract like Kuzma. It gets us a true SF, we don't really have one on this roster.

Pass. Reddish is awful. We have a deep rotation full of mature, hard working professional. We are going to win a lot of games by out working people and feasting on 2nd units. So the deadline becomes a bit more interesting, especially if Rui breaks out as a Tobias Harris type contributor.
I'd rather hang on to Kuz for a bigger trade, or take on a dead weight contract and get a pick if we flounder... anything in between is of no interest to me TBH.