Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[payitforward]

Hmmm. After reading some Isaiah Thomas threads on the trade board, I'm more inclined to believe that Thomas could indeed be acquired for peanuts. Miller and a future 1st seems to be a better offer than what most non-Phoenix fans are contemplating. The consensus is that he's a decent player, but not enough better than the Aaron Brooks and DJ Augustines of the league to be worth the extra price tag.

He's a lot more productive than either of those guys.

In all I wish we were developing Jordan Clarkson @ $.5m....

[hands11]

Hmmm. After reading some Isaiah Thomas threads on the trade board, I'm more inclined to believe that Thomas could indeed be acquired for peanuts. Miller and a future 1st seems to be a better offer than what most non-Phoenix fans are contemplating. The consensus is that he's a decent player, but not enough better than the Aaron Brooks and DJ Augustines of the league to be worth the extra price tag.

Except

He IT might be available.
He is signed so you can keep him if you give something up. We would then get his production and hold him as an asset so what you give up isn't lost value.

Sure. We could have just gotten a DJ or Brooks in the off season for a cheap 1 year with player option but we haven't been able to attract one of those yet. And like DJ moved from CHI, its a year by year proposition. CHI did well to replace him with Brooks.

So they could just let it roll and take their chances this off season. I expect they are the best position to do find someone this offseason compared to others where player picked other teams.

Or you can try to lock in and get someone that will help now while moving pieces that aren't long term pieces anyway in a year where the top team all have questions.

Salary dump, opening the court and a big as things PHX wants so the trade holds value on its own right there.

Its really just a matter of working out the picks and for whatever we give up, again, some of that value is kept by getting a player teams would want in the future.

As for this years or next years pick. That's a finer detail that should be able to get worked out.

After this, the next big problems to work out are:

1) Great coach.. once you have that, we will see how they work out the front court which is still an issues.
2) need to spread the floor more and balance the line ups better and max Gortat with more PnR

At some point, they need to separate Wall, Beal, Nene, Gortat. To many primary scorers without one being a stretch.

If Wall, Beal, Gortat are your main scoring options, then you need a 3rd/4th option SF and PF that are defensive minded. Otto can be that SF one day. But Nene will never be just a defensive rebounding PF and you need either that, or a S4.

I know we all want KD, but the better way to go might be.

Wall, Beal, Otto, LMA, Gortat

So do they go all in for LMA if it mean forgetting about KD ?

[miller31time]

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/02/17/wizard ... ah-thomas/

Well at least the idea of acquiring Thomas (or Dragic) is getting some traction from the talking heads.

I'd lose it if we could get Thomas for cheap. He's a fantastic player that always seems to be looked over because of his size. If you don't look at his measurements, you see a super-efficient scoring guard who any team should welcome.

It would be silly to go after Dragic. He's a free agent next year and surely wouldn't stick around to be a backup in DC. You don't trade a first round pick for a 30-game rental. Thomas makes sense though.

I'm just happy we aren't completely off-base in speculating an interest in Thomas.

[Dark Faze]

Wiz are always so close to vest that its hard to determine what the mindset is with them. We have such a terrible need for a backup guard that I'd be stunned for Grunsfeld not to at least be looking at this, especially given how much he likely hates draft duties.

[gambitx777]

Yeah, the more I think about the resulting rotation, the better I like it. In the playoffs, Wittman can shorten the bench and go with just an 8-man rotation utilizing Thomas, Porter and Humphries off the bench. Seraphin might steal a few minutes to keep Gortat's and Nene's minutes a bit below 36. It would look something like this:

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     1ST HALF   | 2ND HALF
    210987654321|210987654321
PG  JW-------IT-|----JW------
SG  BB----IT-BB-|----IT--BB--
SF  PP----OP----|----PP------
PF  NH----KH----|--------NH--
C   MG-------KS-|NH--MG------

TOTALS: JW-34, BB-34, IT-26
        PP-28, OP-20, NH-28
        MG-34, KH-28, KS-6

I think an IT trade would result in us trading Kevin and maybe Blair. But if that were to happen and we include a future protected first we would get Plumlee in return, witch in low minutes he is better than kevin IMO. Plumlee is better on D and while you will miss the hook shot, he will give you similar overall offensive production, while being efficient and his rim protection will be greatly appreciated!. I think a
Kevin, Blair, Gooden and protected future first.
For
IT and Plumlee
makes a lot of sense.

That would free us up to bring in another guard, preferable a defensive 2 guard, with a bit of range and passing ability like a Dominique Jones and another big to anchor the bench, maybe a KG once he gets bought out.

You see if you can dump Webster with sato and a second and if not you let him be a cheerleader.

[fishercob]

I'd trade our 2016 first, but not our 2015. We really need that pick to be a good one who will hopefully grow into a cheap contributing player by his second season in 2016.

So: 2016 1st + Miller + Blair for Thomas. Make it so.

Isaiah solves a lot of problems for us. Bench scorer? Check. Quality backup PG to give Wall some rest? Check. Good enough shooter to steal some SG minutes alongside Wall? Check. Young? Check. Better end-of-quarter iso scorer than Wall? Check.

I'd love that trade.

Isaiah is only 25 and is just what this team needs.

Yeah, the more I think about the resulting rotation, the better I like it. In the playoffs, Wittman can shorten the bench and go with just an 8-man rotation utilizing Thomas, Porter and Humphries off the bench. Seraphin might steal a few minutes to keep Gortat's and Nene's minutes a bit below 36. It would look something like this:

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     1ST HALF   | 2ND HALF
    210987654321|210987654321
PG  JW-------IT-|----JW------
SG  BB----IT-BB-|----IT--BB--
SF  PP----OP----|----PP------
PF  NH----KH----|--------NH--
C   MG-------KS-|NH--MG------

TOTALS: JW-34, BB-34, IT-26
        PP-28, OP-20, NH-28
        MG-34, KH-28, KS-6

I might tweak this so that Webster was getting the spot minutes instead of Seraphin and Nene was spending more time at backup C -- thereby opening time for PP at the 4. But overall I agree and had the same basic thoughts on how good a rotation would look with Thomas as a third guard.

I do wonder if Wall's defensive impact would be at all blunted guarding 2's for a decent chunk of his court time. It's not that he can't, I wonder how much of his defensive impact has to do with guarding primary ballhandlers. More of a question than a quibble.

End of the day, I'm happy to give up a '16 pick and any spare parts for Thomas.

[nate33]

I'd love that trade.

Isaiah is only 25 and is just what this team needs.

Yeah, the more I think about the resulting rotation, the better I like it. In the playoffs, Wittman can shorten the bench and go with just an 8-man rotation utilizing Thomas, Porter and Humphries off the bench. Seraphin might steal a few minutes to keep Gortat's and Nene's minutes a bit below 36. It would look something like this:

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     1ST HALF   | 2ND HALF
    210987654321|210987654321
PG  JW-------IT-|----JW------
SG  BB----IT-BB-|----IT--BB--
SF  PP----OP----|----PP------
PF  NH----KH----|--------NH--
C   MG-------KS-|NH--MG------

TOTALS: JW-34, BB-34, IT-26
        PP-28, OP-20, NH-28
        MG-34, KH-28, KS-6

I might tweak this so that Webster was getting the spot minutes instead of Seraphin and Nene was spending more time at backup C -- thereby opening time for PP at the 4. But overall I agree and had the same basic thoughts on how good a rotation would look with Thomas as a third guard.

I do wonder if Wall's defensive impact would be at all blunted guarding 2's for a decent chunk of his court time. It's not that he can't, I wonder how much of his defensive impact has to do with guarding primary ballhandlers. More of a question than a quibble.

End of the day, I'm happy to give up a '16 pick and any spare parts for Thomas.

Yeah, Webster, Butler or Porter can play some extra minutes and free up room for Pierce to slide to PF.

[BruceO]

otto porter and Seraphin for Kanter and Alec burke

burks*

[gambitx777]

otto porter and Seraphin for Kanter and Alec burke

burks*

They have kanter valued way higher than that. Plus I doubt Otto appeals to them much, and Burks is out for the season. Not really a good trade for us right now.

[Dat2U]

otto porter and Seraphin for Kanter and Alec burke

burks*

Kanter is a complete trainwreck defensively and is looking for a 7-digit payday annually - Do not want!

[BruceO]

personally I like Kanter. He has to work defensively to get better but otherwise his overall talent is very high. .He's who I wanted in that draft and we went with vesely. I believe he is ranked higher or valued high for said reasons. Fortunately what's working in every teams favour is he is restricted and might walk eventually for nothing. He has also publicly stated he wants to be traded and to leave. Utah has to make a move at some point and they have gobert who eventually or already is taking over.

I'm mentioning porter to see what people's perception of his value vs enes or a healthy Alec burks is. He's also a high pick like enes and Utah can play him alongside Hayward and give them length and youth on the wings and someone to develop who isn't redundant.

Enes hasn't scratched the surface of how good he can be. Neither has porter. might be a win win

[nate33]

No. Porter for Kanter is a bad idea on many levels.

First, Kanter is a poor defender at center. That basically puts a ceiling on how good your team can be. The only successful team (conference finals) of the past five years without a highly functional defensive center was the Heat, and they compensated because they had the personnel to run that frenetic trapping and switching scheme. The Suns are the only other team in the past decade to be elite without a defensive center.

Second, it would cause more roster imbalances. How many expensive, burly bigs do we need? We would definitely have to follow up by trading Gortat.

Third, Kanter is up for a new contract. In 2016, instead of paying Porter $6M, we'd be paying Kanter something like $12-15M. That would knock us out of the Durant sweepstakes.

[payitforward]

...I think an IT trade would result in us trading Kevin and maybe Blair. But if that were to happen and we include a future protected first we would get Plumlee in return, witch in low minutes he is better than kevin IMO. Plumlee is better on D and while you will miss the hook shot, he will give you similar overall offensive production, while being efficient and his rim protection will be greatly appreciated!. I think a
Kevin, Blair, Gooden and protected future first.
For
IT and Plumlee
makes a lot of sense. ....

Seraphin and Gooden are UFAs at the end of the season; they have no value. Blair can't have much trade value at present. So, basically, you're suggesting we swap a future protected R1 pick for Isaiah Thomas and Miles Plumlee.

Phoenix would have to feel awfully generous to make that trade! And, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd do that deal!!

Thing is, Gambit, if you were the Phoenix GM, you *wouldn't* do that deal. For starters, you rate Plumlee higher than Seraphin -- you just said that (and you're right, btw).

[hands11]

Ok, sounds more and more like they want to keep Dragic which makes me feel like our chances for IT are actually pretty good.

Looking forward to this team getting to the next level with the guards more settled longer term. IT would help clear up that picture a lot and if we could move Miller in the deal, that would be awesome. Then we can get to tweaking the front court.

And man, if we could get LMA. I would be all in for that. That's how they could transition away from Nene and clear up this Nene/Gortat offensive clutter that clogs the paint for Wall.

And while it might not be a board favorite idea, I wouldn't let Gooden go so quickly. I like him off the bench and actually wish they would play him more to spread the floor right now. A lot of times I would rather see him out there instead of Hump or Kevin. Hell, I would even consider starting Gooden with Gortat just so you could then turn to Nene with Kevin or Hump. It would make everyone more efficient if they separated the scorers from the glue guys. Same problem Randy had last year.

I know Nene/Gortat has some benefits, but if they separated them and played Gooden more, they would have a sick 10 man rotation.

[nate33]

hands11, how in the world would we get LaMarcus Aldridge? We don't have any cap room, and Aldridge has little incentive to leave a good Portland team to come here.

[hands11]

hands11, how in the world would we get LaMarcus Aldridge? We don't have any cap room, and Aldridge has little incentive to leave a good Portland team to come here.

sign an trade ?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/portland.htm

man..They don't have much signed next year.

[FAH1223]

Damnit Dragic.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/567897657106128897[/tweet]

Nice to dream of Thomas but that's over now.

[hands11]

Damnit Dragic.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/567897657106128897[/tweet]

Nice to dream of Thomas but that's over now.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54[/youtube]

[hands11]

Scoop Jackson. Nice breakdown.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12340 ... gic-trades

Hey, it could just be hard ball negotiations by the Drag.. Get paid and make sure they trade IT.

We aren't out of this year. Actually, it would play to our favor by forcing PHX to take the first reasonable offer for IT and throw the sink at Goran.

Hardball negotiations. Like Scoop says. How does HOU makes sense ? As for LA. Sure. He could be core in their rebuild. Same with NY.

Goran/Melo/Lottery pick
Goran/Kobe/Randle and lottery pick

[J-Ves]

I would trade Beal for the Dragon if we could also get Wright or the lesser Morris twin in the deal. Obviously KS and more salary would have to go their way.


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