Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[Silvie Lysandra]

That Kispert deal isn't good for the Wizards. If anything, draft Kam Jones at #45.

I'd take that in a second; I feel like Kispert is very WYSWYG and he's a better fit for a contender.

[closg00]

I was violently opposed to re-signing Corey, it was another FO mistake like this one:

A year ago, the rebuilding Wizards could have moved Kuzma at the trade deadline, but after the team consulted with him, the deal wasn’t consummated. Now, it could be very difficult for the Wizards to find another chance to do so. Kuzma, who will turn 30 this summer, is averaging just 15.6 points and shooting a dismal 26.6% from 3-point range while playing on one of the league’s worst teams, one that is clearly focused on the future. “I know he’s dealt with an injury,” a scout said, “but I think this has been the most disappointing season of his career. 2 days ago – via ESPN

Some of these moves could end-up being a net negative:

*Trading Daniel Gafford for Kyshawn
*Not trading Kuzma for a FRP
*Trading Deni for Bub

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I was violently opposed to re-signing Corey

"Violently..."?? Let me check....

Here's the thread dedicated to Kispert's re-signing -- viewtopic.php?p=115154815#p115154815 --

It's only 2 pages long so it should be no problem for you to point out where you weighed in on the deal -- negatively, strongly negatively, or....

Gee, isn't that strange.... You didn't post any reaction at all to the deal. How about that...?

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But, wait... you might have criticized the Kispert contract in the thread dedicated to him, right? Yeah, that's probably it: let me go check....

Huh! That's weird.... You didn't post about it at all.

[closg00]

"Violently..."?? Let me check....

Just wondering... did you also protest vocally when we didn't make the Kuzma trade? I didn't. But, it turns out it would have netted more than we'll get this year.

I don't recall my feelings about the punting on trading Kuzma, I believe we did not know it was a possibility until after the draft.

I have never been a Corey booster, I thought keeping Garrison and drafting someone else would have been fine, I wrote that I would have been fine letting Corey walk too rather than picking-up his option, I certainly did not see the point in re-signing him. You're gonna have to do better digging to find the relevant comments.

[pcbothwel]

[b]A year ago, the rebuilding Wizards could have moved Kuzma at the trade deadline, but after the team consulted with him, the deal wasn’t consummated.

Can people stop with this already. Dawkins didn’t ask Kuz out of kindness. Our “consultation” with him was probably a request to waive the kicker (15%).
He declined, and therefore the Mavs declined/lowered their offer.

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"Violently..."?? Let me check....

Just wondering... did you also protest vocally when we didn't make the Kuzma trade? I didn't. But, it turns out it would have netted more than we'll get this year.

I don't recall my feelings about the punting on trading Kuzma, I believe we did not know it was a possibility until after the draft....

Nah. It was talked about right away.

I have never been a Corey booster, I thought keeping Garrison and drafting someone else would have been fine, I wrote that I would have been fine letting Corey walk too rather than picking-up his option...

I'm not a Corey Kispert booster either. I didn't love the pick, & I would absolutely have kept Garrison Mathews in any case.

But, sorry, you never wrote that you'd have been "fine letting Corey walk rather than picking up his option." We gave him a second contract -- & you did not comment on this decision one way or the other.

...I certainly did not see the point in re-signing him....

Whatever you say, mon ami! But, you never wrote anything at all to that effect. In fact, you never wrote anything that even hinted at this opinion.

...You're gonna have to do better digging to find the relevant comments.

Oh I did the digging. There''s just nothing there.

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[b]A year ago, the rebuilding Wizards could have moved Kuzma at the trade deadline, but after the team consulted with him, the deal wasn’t consummated.

Can people stop with this already. Dawkins didn’t ask Kuz out of kindness. Our “consultation” with him was probably a request to waive the kicker (15%).
He declined, and therefore the Mavs declined/lowered their offer.

Yup!
Of course, as it turns out, we'd probably have been better off to take the lowered offer....

[closg00]

"Violently..."?? Let me check....

Just wondering... did you also protest vocally when we didn't make the Kuzma trade? I didn't. But, it turns out it would have netted more than we'll get this year.

I don't recall my feelings about the punting on trading Kuzma, I believe we did not know it was a possibility until after the draft....

Nah. It was talked about right away.

I have never been a Corey booster, I thought keeping Garrison and drafting someone else would have been fine, I wrote that I would have been fine letting Corey walk too rather than picking-up his option...

I'm not a Corey Kispert booster either. I didn't love the pick, & I would absolutely have kept Garrison Mathews in any case.

But, sorry, you never wrote that you'd have been "fine letting Corey walk rather than picking up his option." We gave him a second contract -- & you did not comment on this decision one way or the other.

...I certainly did not see the point in re-signing him....

Whatever you say, mon ami! But, you never wrote anything at all to that effect. In fact, you never wrote anything that even hinted at this opinion.

...You're gonna have to do better digging to find the relevant comments.

Oh I did the digging. There''s just nothing there.

You're wrong and I am not going to do the research for you to find the relevant post.

[chrbal]

3 team
Wiz get THJ, 4 seconds and 2 pick swaps in 2029 and 2030
Det get lyles, huerter
Sac get Kuz

Wiz get a modest return for kuzma

Det get a shooter upgrade for the cost fo taking on lyeles for rest of the year.

Sac get a PF upgrade.

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Pistons would need picks to take on Huerter. Also he’s having a pretty bad season and other than his first season with the Kings, he really isn’t anything special

[AFM]

I don't recall my feelings about the punting on trading Kuzma, I believe we did not know it was a possibility until after the draft....

Nah. It was talked about right away.

I have never been a Corey booster, I thought keeping Garrison and drafting someone else would have been fine, I wrote that I would have been fine letting Corey walk too rather than picking-up his option...

I'm not a Corey Kispert booster either. I didn't love the pick, & I would absolutely have kept Garrison Mathews in any case.

But, sorry, you never wrote that you'd have been "fine letting Corey walk rather than picking up his option." We gave him a second contract -- & you did not comment on this decision one way or the other.

...I certainly did not see the point in re-signing him....

Whatever you say, mon ami! But, you never wrote anything at all to that effect. In fact, you never wrote anything that even hinted at this opinion.

...You're gonna have to do better digging to find the relevant comments.

Oh I did the digging. There''s just nothing there.

You're wrong and I am not going to do the research for you to find the relevant post.

well you did write this:

Corey is a good stable horse, but I'm ready to ride a new one that can clear a higher bar.

[gambitx777]

3 team
Wiz get THJ, 4 seconds and 2 pick swaps in 2029 and 2030
Det get lyles, huerter
Sac get Kuz

Wiz get a modest return for kuzma

Det get a shooter upgrade for the cost fo taking on lyeles for rest of the year.

Sac get a PF upgrade.

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Pistons would need picks to take on Huerter. Also he’s having a pretty bad season and other than his first season with the Kings, he really isn’t anything special

Why would they need a pic for his contract. They are trying to win games KHJ makes sense on that team. He only has one more year so it gives them a treadable contract next year. SF is a weak spot for them so is shooting. No he's not what he was when he was 24 but he could get back there. All they trade is the corpse of THJ. KHj is only 26. He isn't a negative asset.

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[pcbothwel]

Can people stop with this already. Dawkins didn’t ask Kuz out of kindness. Our “consultation” with him was probably a request to waive the kicker (15%).
He declined, and therefore the Mavs declined/lowered their offer.

Yup!
Of course, as it turns out, we'd probably have been better off to take the lowered offer....

Ehh. Maybe. But the gamble is/was worth it.
If you assume no change in production, it’s safe to assume we could get a better offer.
His declining salary, increased cap, and no trade kicker causes his cap% to drop really fast.
Combine that with each FA class signing new contracts and making his contract more palatable.

[Benjammin]

Trade Brogdon before the trade deadline for whatever they can get. Unless there's a good deal available, keep JV to at least some games next season. Keep Kuz for the flagging for Flagg and trade Kyle before or at the draft.

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[closg00]

well you did write this:

Corey is a good stable horse, but I'm ready to ride a new one that can clear a higher bar.

..but wait, there's more, and there is plenty more out-there....

Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II
Post#212 » by closg00 » Tue May 14, 2024 6:18 pm

tontoz wrote:
closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:




Ha!!!



Arent you the one that said resigning Deni was a bad idea?


I wrote that I would have been fine with not picking-up the options on any of Davis, Deni, Corey and seeing what the market would offer, I was massively wrong on Deni, I was right about not trusting Topic and his knee, he hasn't even started an 82 game season yet, the knee will not hold

[SUPERBALLMAN]

"Violently..."?? Let me check....

Just wondering... did you also protest vocally when we didn't make the Kuzma trade? I didn't. But, it turns out it would have netted more than we'll get this year.

I don't recall my feelings about the punting on trading Kuzma, I believe we did not know it was a possibility until after the draft.

I have never been a Corey booster, I thought keeping Garrison and drafting someone else would have been fine, I wrote that I would have been fine letting Corey walk too rather than picking-up his option, I certainly did not see the point in re-signing him. You're gonna have to do better digging to find the relevant comments.

Yeah, I had suggested drafting Jaylen Wells as a Kispert replacement.

[penbeast0]

At this point we should bench Kuzma, he's been awful and JV deserves the time and the showcase so we can trade him. He's been our best offensive player, even better than Poole (or Jared Butler). Even Kyshawn deserves it more if we feel we need to go small.

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...Yeah, I had suggested drafting Jaylen Wells as a Kispert replacement.

The guy I would have liked in that roll was Ajay Mitchell -- & he's having an outstanding rookie run.

We didn't have a pick to use on either of them....

[pcbothwel]

At this point we should bench Kuzma, he's been awful and JV deserves the time and the showcase so we can trade him. He's been our best offensive player, even better than Poole (or Jared Butler). Even Kyshawn deserves it more if we feel we need to go small.

In theory, letting Kuz cook bench guys could be a real spark for him...However, I dont quite see the lineup.
Our primary backup 4's right now are really all 2/3's in Champagnie and George, which we REALLY cannot afford to do with Sarr as the 5.
So in order to move Kuz to the bench, you have to move Sarr to the 4. If the team sees him as a 5, then you are stifling his development in order to prop up Kuz...which they wont do

[penbeast0]

I'd start JV or even Holmes, then bring Kuzma in with either JV or Sarr when you make your first substitution. It's not about helping Kuzma, it's about providing a team around Sarr and Carrington that will help their development.