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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1781 » by AFM » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:55 am

keynote wrote:I was feeling icky looking at these emails, so I've stopped. Yes, they're interesting from voyeuristic perspective, but I'm sure some folks found Kate Upton's leaked photos interesting as well. We're looking through the fruits of a crime; it's no different than the Fappening.

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The govt has been reading your emails for years, so this is sort of poetic karma in a way.

"No different from the fappening" would be if hackers released nude photos of HRC. Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1782 » by Wizardspride » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:21 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1783 » by Wizardspride » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:31 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1785 » by AFM » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:49 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1786 » by keynote » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:27 pm

AFM wrote:
keynote wrote:I was feeling icky looking at these emails, so I've stopped. Yes, they're interesting from voyeuristic perspective, but I'm sure some folks found Kate Upton's leaked photos interesting as well. We're looking through the fruits of a crime; it's no different than the Fappening.

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The govt has been reading your emails for years, so this is sort of poetic karma in a way.

"No different from the fappening" would be if hackers released nude photos of HRC. Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth...


Joke all you want. The point is that it's a crime to hack into that guy's private account, and yet we're all perusing its private contents with no guilt -- just like some people did with J Law's photos. And that's putting aside the fact that Wikileaks might well be selecting the emails that make Clinton's camp look bad, while holding back the emails that would appear to exonerate them and/or otherwise present them in a positive light.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1787 » by Wizardspride » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:49 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1788 » by Wizardspride » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:41 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1789 » by Induveca » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:25 pm

keynote wrote:
AFM wrote:
keynote wrote:I was feeling icky looking at these emails, so I've stopped. Yes, they're interesting from voyeuristic perspective, but I'm sure some folks found Kate Upton's leaked photos interesting as well. We're looking through the fruits of a crime; it's no different than the Fappening.

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The govt has been reading your emails for years, so this is sort of poetic karma in a way.

"No different from the fappening" would be if hackers released nude photos of HRC. Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth...


Joke all you want. The point is that it's a crime to hack into that guy's private account, and yet we're all perusing its private contents with no guilt -- just like some people did with J Law's photos. And that's putting aside the fact that Wikileaks might well be selecting the emails that make Clinton's camp look bad, while holding back the emails that would appear to exonerate them and/or otherwise present them in a positive light.


Crime or not, the emails are now publicly available. It's also "illegal" to hack a drug lord's SMS messages but the government would seize upon the contents if leaked and indicated criminal activity.

In other words, it doesn't matter how the content was obtained. We all may disagree with hacking morally, but the law typically doesn't have "feelings". They'd prosecute the hacker *and* drug lord. Usually in reverse order.

To think otherwise would be naive. The abyss of lawyers, legal maneuvering and wide interpretation of statutes would ensure they're both ****.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1790 » by keynote » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:34 pm

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keynote wrote:
AFM wrote:The govt has been reading your emails for years, so this is sort of poetic karma in a way.

"No different from the fappening" would be if hackers released nude photos of HRC. Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth...


Joke all you want. The point is that it's a crime to hack into that guy's private account, and yet we're all perusing its private contents with no guilt -- just like some people did with J Law's photos. And that's putting aside the fact that Wikileaks might well be selecting the emails that make Clinton's camp look bad, while holding back the emails that would appear to exonerate them and/or otherwise present them in a positive light.


Crime or not, the emails are now publicly available. It's also "illegal" to hack a drug lord's SMS messages but the government would seize upon the contents if leaked and indicated criminal activity.

In other words, it doesn't matter how the content was obtained. We all may disagree with hacking morally, but the law typically doesn't have "feelings". They'd prosecute the hacker *and* drug lord. Usually in reverse order.

To think otherwise would be naive. The abyss of lawyers, legal maneuvering and wide interpretation of statues would ensure they're both ****.


The key to your example of amoral law inforcement is the phrase "indicated criminal activity." Despite all of the hand-waving from the Breitbart crowd, I've yet to hear anyone credibly state that the leaks are indicative of criminal activity. Evidence of political networking? Definitely. Evidence of political in-fighting? Definitely. Evidence of politically duplicitous behavior? Perhaps/probably. But nothing criminal.

Besides: your willingness to shrug your shoulders and state that the "ends justifies the means" logic is disheartening. It *does* matter how the content was contained in this instance. Because (a) it was the result of a crime, and (b) it's been leaked by someone who can pick and choose what they want to disclose to shape the narrative they want to push.

We all agree that people will cast aside this moral dilemma and look anyway. I'm not disputing that. And I'm not going to bother trotting out that tired argument that "if the tables were turned, Side X would be screaming bloody murder," etc.

There's no need to traffic in hypotheticals; the ethics of the current situation is clear. I'm certainly entitled to find the circumstances queasy.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1791 » by dckingsfan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:24 am

keynote wrote:...it's been leaked by someone who can pick and choose what they want to disclose to shape the narrative they want to push.

Sounds like the NY Times :)

Although I agree with many of your points - after reading, I don't trust our media to even try to get to the truth - it doesn't leave us with many options.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1792 » by AFM » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:13 pm

Dear lord, if Drudge's tweet is true...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1793 » by Induveca » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:40 pm

keynote wrote:There's no need to traffic in hypotheticals; the ethics of the current situation is clear. I'm certainly entitled to find the circumstances queasy.


That pretty much sums up this entire election for all voters.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1794 » by Induveca » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:41 pm

AFM wrote:Dear lord, if Drudge's tweet is true...


I'm hoping for it, purely to see how it could be spun......and how people would react. Ha!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1795 » by montestewart » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:57 pm

AFM wrote:Dear lord, if Drudge's tweet is true...

which one?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1796 » by AFM » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:07 pm

montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Dear lord, if Drudge's tweet is true...

which one?

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This would confirm decades of rumors. Obviously I'm not exactly holding my breath on this one though.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1797 » by montestewart » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:35 pm

AFM wrote:
montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:Dear lord, if Drudge's tweet is true...

which one?

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This would confirm decades of rumors. Obviously I'm not exactly holding my breath on this one though.

Hillary and Ellen? Cool! Almost makes me want to vote for her, but it's too late in the game to change my preseason predictions. Wizards 0-83, 16th seed.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1798 » by AFM » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:05 pm

montestewart wrote:
AFM wrote:
montestewart wrote:which one?

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This would confirm decades of rumors. Obviously I'm not exactly holding my breath on this one though.

Hillary and Ellen? Cool! Almost makes me want to vote for her, but it's too late in the game to change my preseason predictions. Wizards 0-83, 16th seed.


More like Hillary and Huma. Please God, let there be a sextape.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1799 » by Induveca » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:33 pm

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/727

Podesta agreeing Iran deal condemns next generation to nuclear cleanup in the Middle East. Guess this is the publi/private position thing. :(
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#1800 » by AFM » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:43 pm

Induveca wrote:https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/727

Podesta agreeing Iran deal condemns next generation to nuclear cleanup in the Middle East. Guess this is the publi/private position thing. :(

Same with Hyena Rodent Clintons sexuality, if Mr Drudge is correct. In public she is a heterosexual, dedicated spouse. In private she is Huma's sex slave, callsign Carly Danger.

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