Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[doclinkin]

If a trade up using 30 & our high R2 pick (currently #31) could get, say, Yaxel Lendeborg or Tounde Yessoufou I'd be all for it. Doesn't seem likely, however.

To reiterate. If we have #31 in this draft it’s because New York has our lottery pick.

Edit. Nate beat me to it. Though I made this correction before.

Anyway if we are able to climb up from 30 I’d be happy. I am curious what we will do with the 3 other late picks lower down.

oops! Sorry -- dumb mistake....

Ok but what does the Pelton chart say our 3 other 2nds are worth? Combined.

[gambitx777]

Is that Portland first enough to take that terrible Patrick williams contract.

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[9 and 20]

On Trae, from the wiretap - https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/283295/Trae-Youngs-Trade-Market-Minimal-Despite-Hawks-Increased-Openness-To-Deal

Also from the article - would be dumb of Atlanta to trade Risacher for Gafford, and I really like Gaff.

I've seen somewhere that Dallas wants to send Anthony Davis to Atlanta for the Pelicans pick, which would also be terrible for Atlanta. Who the heck is running the Hawks? They got Grundle back over there? Trying to re-run Webber for Richmond somehow?

After last night, I'm sure Giannis is kicking off the new year telling Milwaukee to find him some help or trade him. The guy is a monster but the rest of their team is terrible. Kispert would for sure help them but I'm not sure what they could send us back.

[ledell_gumbo]

There are a bunch of over-the-tax teams who might be willing to trade down a few spots in exchange for us absorbing one of their sub-$14M contracts using our MLE exception or our Olynyk TPE. The teams that are paying nasty luxtax fees right now who would receive 3-to-1 or even 5-to-1 savings on luxtax fees are Cleveland, Boston, Dallas, Golden State, Clippers, Lakers, Minnesota and New York.

I think this is the most likely deal we'll see at the deadline. Almost everyone on the team is either too expensive (CJ, Middleton) or too cheap/young to make sense in a deal. The possible exceptions are Kispert, Champagnie, or Bagley, but I'm not sure competitive teams will really be seeking them out. But using a trade exception with for a midlevel guy and a pick is a perfect deal for both sides. Building off of Nate's list, it could be Lonzo Ball, Sam Hauser, Caleb Martin, Buddy Hield, Batum or Beal(!), Kleiber or Vincent, Mike Conley (but I doubt Min would), or Yabusele. There could also be smaller deals for people like Eric Gordon or Jasean Tate. Pick compensation would obviously vary (Martin's got an ugly contract!).

[nate33]

I saw both Jokic and Valanciunus are out in Denver. Trade them Bagley? Would they give a first rounder for a rental? Probably not. Send them Vuk too and then maybe, if they can also dump a bad contract? Anthony Gill rides out the season as backup center here I guess and the tank rolls on.

Denver is a bad trade target because they have traded away all their picks and they are just $100K under the luxtax and are trying to stay under to avoid being a repeater tax team in the future.

That said, I suppose we could look for a 2026 pick swap. They have their 2026 pick and can't trade it completely away due to the Stepien Rule, but they can swap it with our #30 pick. We can send them a good vet and take back an equivalent contract to keep them under the tax.

I don't know if they would want Bagley though. They're only going to need him for 4 weeks, after which he gets permanently sent to the bench. The guy who would be awesome there is Champagnie, but I don't think I want to part with Champagnie just to move up a few spots late in the first round. Worse case is that Denver could slide all the way to the #22 pick. Would you trade Champagnie and the #30 for the #22?

I wonder if they would want Cam Whitmore? It's tough to make it work salarywise though. His contract is a bit too big for them to match with a vet minimum guy, which means they would go over the tax. It would have to be a bigger deal involving someone like Zeke Nnaji and I don't want his salary on the books for the next 2 years.

[pcbothwel]

I saw both Jokic and Valanciunus are out in Denver. Trade them Bagley? Would they give a first rounder for a rental? Probably not. Send them Vuk too and then maybe, if they can also dump a bad contract? Anthony Gill rides out the season as backup center here I guess and the tank rolls on.

Denver is a bad trade target because they have traded away all their picks and they are just $100K under the luxtax and are trying to stay under to avoid being a repeater tax team in the future.

That said, I suppose we could look for a 2026 pick swap. They have their 2026 pick and can't trade it completely away due to the Stepien Rule, but they can swap it with our #30 pick. We can send them a good vet and take back an equivalent contract to keep them under the tax.

I don't know if they would want Bagley though. They're only going to need him for 4 weeks, after which he gets permanently sent to the bench. The guy who would be awesome there is Champagnie, but I don't think I want to part with Champagnie just to move up a few spots late in the first round. Worse case is that Denver could slide all the way to the #22 pick. Would you trade Champagnie and the #30 for the #22?

I wonder if they would want Cam Whitmore? It's tough to make it work salarywise though. His contract is a bit too big for them to match with a vet minimum guy, which means they would go over the tax. It would have to be a bigger deal involving someone like Zeke Nnaji and I don't want his salary on the books for the next 2 years.

Agreed Nate. The two assets for Denver are the pick swap and Daron Holmes.
The most straight forward deal would be Bagley for Holmes, or Bagley for the pick swap.
I would try to get both Holmes and the swap by taking on Nnaji. That would be worth it to me, but it would need to Cam/Branham/etc going back...not Champagnie. Nnaji is terrible, but he only has 2/15M on his deal after this year and a $7.5M cap number is nice amount to be able to use in future trades.

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Last year, we traded Jared Butler and a boatload of second rounders to Philly for a late first. Maybe we do the same with Champagnie to Denver this year. Would rather do that than use the late first to move up.

Doubt Cam will be moved until he proves he's healthy. If Champagnie and Kispert are traded, Cam will have plenty of playing time opened up for him once he gets better. Midds is probably just going to be released after the trade deadline, I bet.

[doclinkin]

Last year, we traded Jared Butler and a boatload of second rounders to Philly for a late first. Maybe we do the same with Champagnie to Denver this year. Would rather do that than use the late first to move up.

Doubt Cam will be moved until he proves he's healthy. If Champagnie and Kispert are traded, Cam will have plenty of playing time opened up for him once he gets better. Midds is probably just going to be released after the trade deadline, I bet.

I’d rather keep JC and use the late 1st, fistfuls of 2nds, or maybe even future late firsts to move up. This draft looks deep at the top of the first round.

Get me Yaxel instead of whoever falls to 30.

JC has more value in future wins than the value he’d get in trade. Kispert might be the opposite. If he’s healthy enough to show a few more good games before the deadline.

[nate33]

Last year, we traded Jared Butler and a boatload of second rounders to Philly for a late first. Maybe we do the same with Champagnie to Denver this year. Would rather do that than use the late first to move up.

Doubt Cam will be moved until he proves he's healthy. If Champagnie and Kispert are traded, Cam will have plenty of playing time opened up for him once he gets better. Midds is probably just going to be released after the trade deadline, I bet.

Denver can't trade us the pick outright because it's encumbered. They already owe their 2027 pick to OKC. All they can do is trade down within the first round. They can't trade out of it.

I agree with Doc that Champagnie is too valuable to give away just to move up 4-6 spots in the draft. If I could package him plus the #30 to get up into the 10-14 range for a guy like Yaxel, then I would definitely be interested.

I wonder if OKC might consider that. They would very much value an ultra-cheap effective player like Champagnie because they need cheap players to stay under the luxtax. Could we trade them Champagnie and a future pick, plus take on whatever contracts they want to dump, in exchange for the Clippers pick if it turns out to be in the 10-14 range? Either way, that's a trade that would happen on Draft Day. Not now.

[tontoz]

If OKC wants to trade away some assets it makes sense to do it with a bad team in a different conference like us. Since Dawkins used to work there we should have the inside track.

[leswizards]

To reiterate. If we have #31 in this draft it’s because New York has our lottery pick.

Edit. Nate beat me to it. Though I made this correction before.

Anyway if we are able to climb up from 30 I’d be happy. I am curious what we will do with the 3 other late picks lower down.

oops! Sorry -- dumb mistake....

Ok but what does the Pelton chart say our 3 other 2nds are worth? Combined.

Sports illustrated says the wizards have the 41st, 45th, 53rd and 60th. Roughly equals the 14th pick.

[doclinkin]

oops! Sorry -- dumb mistake....

Ok but what does the Pelton chart say our 3 other 2nds are worth? Combined.

Sports illustrated says the wizards have the 41st, 45th, 53rd and 60th. Roughly equals the 14th pick.

They have it wrong. The 41 is the Bulls pick we lost in the Whitmore trade. Unless you can show me how we both traded it and retained it. The sites nowadays are terrible at updating. They just borrow from each other.

[nate33]

According to Real GM, we have the OKC pick (#60), the Phoenix pick (#49), and the best of NYK/MIN (currently #53)

Basically, our SRP's are worthless.

[leswizards]

Ok but what does the Pelton chart say our 3 other 2nds are worth? Combined.

Sports illustrated says the wizards have the 41st, 45th, 53rd and 60th. Roughly equals the 14th pick.

They have it wrong. The 41 is the Bulls pick we lost in the Whitmore trade. Unless you can show me how we both traded it and retained it. The sites nowadays are terrible at updating. They just borrow from each other.

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Then per Nate’s comment, the value would be just less than the 25th pick.

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...what does the Pelton chart say our 3 other 2nds are worth? Combined.

Sports illustrated says the wizards have the 41st, 45th, 53rd and 60th. Roughly equals the 14th pick.

Not according to the Pelton chart. Not even close. More like equal to #28.

Here's the Pelton chart: http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2

[leswizards]

...what does the Pelton chart say our 3 other 2nds are worth? Combined.

Sports illustrated says the wizards have the 41st, 45th, 53rd and 60th. Roughly equals the 14th pick.

Not according to the Pelton chart. Not even close. More like equal to #28.

Here's the Pelton chart: http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2

I can never find the most current chart. I think the one you posted is outdated, but I don’t know.

[dckingsfan]

According to Real GM, we have the OKC pick (#60), the Phoenix pick (#49), and the best of NYK/MIN (currently #53)

Basically, our SRP's are worthless.

What about Chicago's SRP (right now 44)?

CHI's 2027 2nd round pick to WAS (in separate, protected conveyances; via WAS to NOP)

[nate33]

According to Real GM, we have the OKC pick (#60), the Phoenix pick (#49), and the best of NYK/MIN (currently #53)

Basically, our SRP's are worthless.

What about Chicago's SRP (right now 44)?

CHI's 2027 2nd round pick to WAS (in separate, protected conveyances; via WAS to NOP)

That's in 2027.

[dckingsfan]

According to Real GM, we have the OKC pick (#60), the Phoenix pick (#49), and the best of NYK/MIN (currently #53)

Basically, our SRP's are worthless.

What about Chicago's SRP (right now 44)?

CHI's 2027 2nd round pick to WAS (in separate, protected conveyances; via WAS to NOP)

That's in 2027.

Don't know why, but I thought this was in both years...

Edit: here it is...
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/bulls-trade-compensation-for-second-round-pick-julian-phillips-revealed/3176326/

[doclinkin]

What about Chicago's SRP (right now 44)?

CHI's 2027 2nd round pick to WAS (in separate, protected conveyances; via WAS to NOP)

That's in 2027.

Don't know why, but I thought this was in both years...

Edit: here it is...
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/bulls-trade-compensation-for-second-round-pick-julian-phillips-revealed/3176326/

I must be blocked. Nobody reads me:

As part of the deal, the Rockets have traded guard/forward Cam Whitmore to Washington in exchange for a 2026 second-round pick from Chicago and a 2029 second round pick from Sacramento.