Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

[keynote]

I don't get this board sometimes.

It seems the majority think Hinrich is terrible and is overpaid, yet want Gilbert Arenas (he of the gun trouble, multiple knee surgeries, no defense, and $18.5 million salary) to be retained. And just about everyone was clamoring for a BOYD deal, yet when one is made, it's only the minority that celebrate it.

I frankly don't care if OKC made a better deal. The Wiz, a rebuilding team, picked up a mid-first draft pick in a very strong draft. They were never going to get Lebron this year (the only player worth the max), and likely aren't a realistic destination for Carmelo next year. Who cares what they paid for the draft pick, so long as Ted's willing to pay it? It's not like the team was going to be seriously competitive for a few years.

Well, it's a two party system:
The EG Can Do No Right Party (call 'em the GOP, because like elephants, they never forget every perceived missed opportunity passed over by EG)
The Yes EG Can Party (they're like Dems; their ideology is based on hope)

And, of course, there are the undecideds, like me.

[MF23]

This deal loses credibility because Hinrich earns too much money.

At an amount of 8.5 over two years that warrants lottery selection. It just does. Its funny because everyone is obviously going to make a comparison to Presti's deal and the separation in value.

I can't believe this is the only deal EG is doing. I mean this isn't a strong deal on its own.

[sfam]

I don't get this board sometimes.

It seems the majority think Hinrich is terrible and is overpaid, yet want Gilbert Arenas (he of the gun trouble, multiple knee surgeries, no defense, and $18.5 million salary) to be retained. And just about everyone was clamoring for a BOYD deal, yet when one is made, it's only the minority that celebrate it.

I frankly don't care if OKC made a better deal. The Wiz, a rebuilding team, picked up a mid-first draft pick in a very strong draft. They were never going to get Lebron this year (the only player worth the max), and likely aren't a realistic destination for Carmelo next year. Who cares what they paid for the draft pick, so long as Ted's willing to pay it? It's not like the team was going to be seriously competitive for a few years.

+1

Yes, yes, we'd all like EG to fleece someone, like, perhaps getting an All-star for Kwame Brown or something, but I'm afraid this is the GM we have - sometimes he does well, other times he's mediocre, and sometimes he's downright bad - nothing new here (but I don't put this deal in the downright bad category right now). Personally, I think Hinrich is the right type of guy for this lockerroom. Again, the question for me now is what do we get with this pick?

[TheKingOfVa360]

DA saying that we'll keep Hinrich:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/06/24/wiza ... ef:nbahpt2

I'm kind of sick to see us helping the Bulls get FA room for 2 max guys. If they sign Joe Johnson, then great because he isn't worth the max. If its Lebron, then its a bad move.

I'm holding out hope that the Bulls only sign JJ and Boozer/Lee/Bosh

[Hoopalotta]

Well look on the bright side, we once again have a somewhat movable overpaid guy to plug into trade scenarios in a dump.

Who am I kidding, I was starting to miss it.

It'll be just like old times!

Ok, well actually I'm not really hostile to what Hiney brings, it's just, you know, all about them there Benjamins.

[P'Oed]

there's a DEFINITE step 2 if this happens. I just don't see how there couldn't be.

[mohammed10]

Well,

we basically acquired Lebron this offseason...........




for the bulls

[Kanyewest]

Anthony/Durant wasn't a realistic option especially since both are talking extensions with their respective clubs. Guys like LeBron/Bosh/Wade were not realistic options. That being said, I don't like Kirk Hinrich. While I think he's a decent defender, he can't knock down open shots nor is he a good passer.

The only saving grace from this deal is the #17 pick; it really depends on what kind of value the Wizards get. In the past two drafts, Hibbert and Jrue Holiday have been picked at #17. Although I think there is a good chance that you could strike out like the Nets did 3 years ago with Sean Williams

[no D in Hibachi]

Totally agree. I think EG felt pressured to make some type of deal and this was "his best effort". Plus I think he's always liked Hinrich so this is his own little FA acquisition since Teddy probably won't let him spend away in FA.

I'd be fine with Williams at 30 or 35 but yeah, at 17 he makes no sense whatsoever.

If that was the case why didn't EG step up and take on James Jones and Cook from Miami for 18? I mean the Thunder weren't willing to take that on. WOW, just looked at Hinrich's PER, a whopping 11.6!!! He's not any better than N1. In fact, guess who has had a better PER every year of his career? Our very own Randy freakin Foye. Hinrich isn't even better than Randy Foye and the Wizards gave up nearly all their cap flexability for him. Ugggh, I want to quit you Wiz!

[Ruzious]

I don't get this board sometimes.

It seems the majority think Hinrich is terrible and is overpaid, yet want Gilbert Arenas (he of the gun trouble, multiple knee surgeries, no defense, and $18.5 million salary) to be retained. And just about everyone was clamoring for a BOYD deal, yet when one is made, it's only the minority that celebrate it.

I frankly don't care if OKC made a better deal. The Wiz, a rebuilding team, picked up a mid-first draft pick in a very strong draft. They were never going to get Lebron this year (the only player worth the max), and likely aren't a realistic destination for Carmelo next year. Who cares what they paid for the draft pick, so long as Ted's willing to pay it? It's not like the team was going to be seriously competitive for a few years.

Welcome to the board.

4 years ago, I would have loved to have Arenas AND Hinrich. A lot's changed since then. I'd be fine now having 1 or the other - but not both.

One of the keys to the BOYD strategy was to get a player with a contract that expires in 2011 (not 2012, like Hiney's). The purpose of that was to have max contract space after next season. There probably would be other options other than Melo to use that max space, but who knows. We shall see, and next year's team should be pretty decent.

I guess we can forget about Livingston returning. I really enjoyed watching him.

[Hoopalotta]

It's not THAT bad guys. I wouldn't be surprised if Hiney is movable for expirings at the deadline.

I mean, whoever gets him would be paying about $4 million for half of the 2012 season after the free agent market is marauded by extensions due to the new CBA dilly. We've already seen the Bucks say "eh, buck it" to their 2011 cap space plan at this early date.

Of course, whether or not Ernie is looking to deal Hiney is another question.

[P'Oed]

wait....could this mean that Gil is officially done here? Like, that's the only way I see us recouping all of the $$$$ lost from this deal.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't get this board sometimes.

It seems the majority think Hinrich is terrible and is overpaid, yet want Gilbert Arenas (he of the gun trouble, multiple knee surgeries, no defense, and $18.5 million salary) to be retained. And just about everyone was clamoring for a BOYD deal, yet when one is made, it's only the minority that celebrate it.

I frankly don't care if OKC made a better deal. The Wiz, a rebuilding team, picked up a mid-first draft pick in a very strong draft. They were never going to get Lebron this year (the only player worth the max), and likely aren't a realistic destination for Carmelo next year. Who cares what they paid for the draft pick, so long as Ted's willing to pay it? It's not like the team was going to be seriously competitive for a few years.

+1

Yes, yes, we'd all like EG to fleece someone, like, perhaps getting an All-star for Kwame Brown or something, but I'm afraid this is the GM we have - sometimes he does well, other times he's mediocre, and sometimes he's downright bad - nothing new here (but I don't put this deal in the downright bad category right now). Personally, I think Hinrich is the right type of guy for this lockerroom. Again, the question for me now is what do we get with this pick?

Hinrich might be a terrific guy but how much does he make and how well has he produced the last three seasons?

Personally, I think a dude like Gil having hit the bottom would be a better guy to come in and give 100% going at Wall in practice. He'd treat Wall like Jamison and Boykins treated him when he came into the league with GS. Gil is that much better a player than Hinrich as well. I think Wall probably understands a guy like Arenas and would benefit from knowing how to deal with stardom (as Gil did quite successfully the first few seasons).

sfam, I'm sure most people will agree with you about Kirk Hinrich being a great lockerroom guy. I on the other hand beleive Kirk just lost his job to Derrick Rose. Now he goes to being Wall's understudy/mentor? I don't see it.

I think this is a really bad move, potentially. Washington I hope (but doubt they do) better keep Gil around a while.

[yungal07]

This is a pretty bad move IMO, but some of you guys are seriously DELUSIONAL if you think Leonsis didn't sign off this trade. This has nothing to do with EG getting desperate to appease Ted. Both of them signed off on this deal so if you have a gripe with EG, you should have one with Ted as well.

[MJG]

We just paid $17 million for a mid-first rounder and a 29 year old role player who has gotten steadily worse for the past 3-4 seasons. Huge thumbs down.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't get this board sometimes.

It seems the majority think Hinrich is terrible and is overpaid, yet want Gilbert Arenas (he of the gun trouble, multiple knee surgeries, no defense, and $18.5 million salary) to be retained. And just about everyone was clamoring for a BOYD deal, yet when one is made, it's only the minority that celebrate it.

I frankly don't care if OKC made a better deal. The Wiz, a rebuilding team, picked up a mid-first draft pick in a very strong draft. They were never going to get Lebron this year (the only player worth the max), and likely aren't a realistic destination for Carmelo next year. Who cares what they paid for the draft pick, so long as Ted's willing to pay it? It's not like the team was going to be seriously competitive for a few years.

Welcome to the board.

4 years ago, I would have loved to have Arenas AND Hinrich. A lot's changed since then. I'd be fine now having 1 or the other - but not both.

One of the keys to the BOYD strategy was to get a player with a contract that expires in 2011 (not 2012, like Hiney's). The purpose of that was to have max contract space after next season. There probably would be other options other than Melo to use that max space, but who knows. We shall see, and next year's team should be pretty decent.

I guess we can forget about Livingston returning. I really enjoyed watching him.

And the killing part is Livingston played better in March and April than Hinrich's ever played.

Washington balks at giving a guy like Livingston 3 Mil (hey, even I want his knees to be checked out) but they have NO PROBLEM of two years of Hinrich at 8.5Mil per.

[MJG]

It was probably already posted, but this tweet sums it up perfectly:

@johnhollinger OKC swallowed $2 million to get the 18th pick. Wash swallowed $17 million to get 17th pick. Quick quiz: Which team is run better?

[AceDegenerate]

I would have preferred Livingston at the backup PG to almost anyone in the league to be honest. But I really believe he gave no indication he wanted to be back here at all, regardless of the outcome. Once he heard we got the #1 pick, he may very well have given EG the word he's not coming back.

[mohammed10]

Hollinger:

OKC swallowed $2 million to get the 18th pick. Wash swallowed $17 million to get 17th pick. Quick quiz: Which team is run better?

Ouch. I see nate's point about tangible value, but still. Given how good Chicago is going to be, I'm holding out hope that we're getting their 1st next year too.

'xactly....

[Tyrone Messby]

Michael Lee is terrible, how many people did he get beat by on this story? Anyway, this type of deal isn't really Leonsis's type of move despite the draft pick. He is a frugal owner. I can't believe he is willing to eat this much salary for the draft pick. The Wizards come off as idiots for this trade a day after the OKC trade in my opinion. I like the 17th pick, but damn why pay so much? Hopefully can get the 11th pick and then I'll be happy with the day..but, what the hell Leonsis?