ImageImageImageImageImage

Nothing Thread--only one opinion counts-LOCK ME

Moderators: nate33, montestewart, LyricalRico

LyricalRico
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 30,570
And1: 854
Joined: May 23, 2002
Location: Back into the fray!
Contact:
       

Re: The John Wall and/or DeMarcus Cousins Thread 

Post#181 » by LyricalRico » Tue Mar 1, 2011 12:57 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I still would take Cousins for Blatche, and you would too, Dat.


I probably would too. I think the attitude problems will prevent Cousins from being a great player. But there's still a slight chance that Cousins could be good in DC, because of his youth and because of his history with Wall. OTOH, it's a foregone conclusion that Blatche is a lost cause.

Of course Sacto would never do a straight up deal and I'm not adding any assets to make it work so it'll never happen.
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: The John Wall and/or DeMarcus Cousins Thread 

Post#182 » by Ruzious » Tue Mar 1, 2011 2:37 pm

Yeah, the way Cousins is playing, he could very well be available - if he doesn't shape up before the end of the season. But... Blatche is not the way to get him. They'd be trading Cuz in part because of his attitude, so the last thing they'd want is a guy with perhaps an even worse perceived attitude. I think there'd be a synergy putting Wall and Cuz together that's worth pursuing. And as much as I don't respect the man, maybe it'd be worth seeing if Coach Cal would come here - if they did make a trade for Cuz.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
User avatar
TGW
RealGM
Posts: 13,432
And1: 6,837
Joined: Oct 22, 2010

Re: The John Wall and/or DeMarcus Cousins Thread 

Post#183 » by TGW » Tue Mar 1, 2011 4:37 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The choice was never Cousins for Wall. It was more like Cousins and Igoudala for Wall's rights and filler like Howard, Yi, or Thornton.

It was more like Cousins, Babbitt, and a pick for the rights to Wall.

The choice really was whether to parlay Wall into better vets plus Cousins and a pick. I never said Cousins at #1 even though I (incorrectly) predicted he would be the best player in this draft.

I still would take Cousins for Blatche, and you would too, Dat.


If the Wizards made that suggested deal, I would become an OKC Thunder fan. That's how bad that idea was.

I like your Kenneth Faried idea though.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
theboomking
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,597
And1: 20
Joined: Jan 10, 2011

Re: The John Wall and/or DeMarcus Cousins Thread 

Post#184 » by theboomking » Wed Mar 2, 2011 12:13 am

Ruzious wrote:Yeah, the way Cousins is playing, he could very well be available - if he doesn't shape up before the end of the season. But... Blatche is not the way to get him. They'd be trading Cuz in part because of his attitude, so the last thing they'd want is a guy with perhaps an even worse perceived attitude. I think there'd be a synergy putting Wall and Cuz together that's worth pursuing. And as much as I don't respect the man, maybe it'd be worth seeing if Coach Cal would come here - if they did make a trade for Cuz.


I don't think Cousins will be available, but his shooting and his attitude have been horrible, so maybe I am wrong. I do agree that if there is anywhere that Cousins could succeed, it would be with Wall. I found his quote after the Rookie Challenge very telling. He said something along the lines of how nice it was to play with Wall again, because just one year at Kentucky wasn't enough.

No team in the league would take Blatche as the major return in a trade for Cousins. You'd probably have to package McGee and a high pick. The whole league knows what a loser Blatche is. I'm guessing he has very little trade value, nevermind enough to obtain a potential franchis center.

TGW wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The choice was never Cousins for Wall. It was more like Cousins and Igoudala for Wall's rights and filler like Howard, Yi, or Thornton.

It was more like Cousins, Babbitt, and a pick for the rights to Wall.

The choice really was whether to parlay Wall into better vets plus Cousins and a pick. I never said Cousins at #1 even though I (incorrectly) predicted he would be the best player in this draft.

I still would take Cousins for Blatche, and you would too, Dat.


If the Wizards made that suggested deal, I would become an OKC Thunder fan. That's how bad that idea was.

I like your Kenneth Faried idea though.


The NBA is a star driven league. Cousins, Babbit and a pick for Wall is ridiculous. How much value does Babbit add? How many players are there in the league that you think are worth John Wall in a trade? My list includes Rose, Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Durant, Wade, LBJ, Griffin. I'd disqualify Paul, Duncan, Bryant and Novitski based on age. Roy and Oden are disqualified because of health. Given Wall's performance as a rookie, I think Derron Williams and Rondo are fairly lateral moves at this juncture, and are both older than Wall as well.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 55,202
And1: 10,673
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#185 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:01 am

The most surprising player in this draft has been Greg Monroe.
mhd
General Manager
Posts: 9,752
And1: 1,741
Joined: Mar 25, 2004

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#186 » by mhd » Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:11 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The most surprising player in this draft has been Greg Monroe.



Yeah, with the crap around him in terms of poisonous atmoshphere, he's REALLY impressed me. Heck, I think he'll be better than Chris Bosh in 2 years. Too bad, Detroit is saddled with longterm contracts.
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,793
And1: 4,620
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#187 » by closg00 » Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:20 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The most surprising player in this draft has been Greg Monroe.


I have posted about Monroe in several threads, he is definitely way ahead in his development and is playing well. GS were insane to pass on Monroe in-favor of Udoh.
LyricalRico
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 30,570
And1: 854
Joined: May 23, 2002
Location: Back into the fray!
Contact:
       

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#188 » by LyricalRico » Wed Mar 2, 2011 2:11 am

Is Monroe worth us taking on Rip's contract? What about Charlie V + Maxiell?
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 55,202
And1: 10,673
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#189 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 2, 2011 2:19 am

Heck yeah, LR! No way to get Monroe now, however.
User avatar
dangermouse
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,628
And1: 814
Joined: Dec 08, 2009

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#190 » by dangermouse » Wed Mar 2, 2011 2:34 am

I have pondered over how to get Monroe, him being a Georgetown guy. There is no chance though, he is the only bright spot on that Detroit roster right now, they should clean house and build around him, and i mean the entire house.

He is less obtainable than Cousins imo.
Image
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
nuposse04
RealGM
Posts: 11,317
And1: 2,473
Joined: Jul 20, 2004
Location: on a rock
   

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#191 » by nuposse04 » Wed Mar 2, 2011 3:11 am

I said it to a couple friends of mine, I think Monroe will go down as the best big from this draft class. He doesn't have elite athleticism but I felt like he always "got it" at G-town. I wouldn't be surprised if became the second coming of chris webber. Javale+AB+w/e get it done EG.
User avatar
willbcocks
Analyst
Posts: 3,676
And1: 344
Joined: Mar 17, 2003
Location: Wall-E has come to save Washington!

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#192 » by willbcocks » Wed Mar 2, 2011 3:32 am

I don't want to steal Detroit's only ray of sunshine. Compared to even us they are a total mess.
hands11
Banned User
Posts: 31,171
And1: 2,444
Joined: May 16, 2005

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#193 » by hands11 » Wed Mar 2, 2011 4:26 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Heck yeah, LR! No way to get Monroe now, however.



http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... reg-monroe

He does seem to be progressing nicely.

So are they about to loose Prince?
Dat2U
RealGM
Posts: 24,230
And1: 8,062
Joined: Jun 23, 2001
Location: Columbus, OH
       

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#194 » by Dat2U » Wed Mar 2, 2011 3:42 pm

I was one of Monroe's biggest fans before the draft. He was my dream BOYD scenario target. Glad to see him doing well. Good size, high IQ, unique skillset. It should have been a foregone conclusion that he would have at least been a solid NBA player. Outside of Wall, he was the safest player in the draft IMO.

It made no sense to me that Wesley Johnson and especially Ekpe Udoh was taken ahead of Monroe. Especially Udoh. Apparently Golden State soured on Monroe because of a poor workout. LOL. Obviously they totally ignored all the game film which showed Monroe was a quality prospect and that Udoh had no business being taken that high.
User avatar
Hoopalotta
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,937
And1: 3
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#195 » by Hoopalotta » Wed Mar 2, 2011 3:55 pm

Dat2U wrote:I was one of Monroe's biggest fans before the draft. He was my dream BOYD scenario target. Glad to see him doing well. Good size, high IQ, unique skillset. It should have been a foregone conclusion that he would have at least been a solid NBA player. Outside of Wall, he was the safest player in the draft IMO.

It made no sense to me that Wesley Johnson and especially Ekpe Udoh was taken ahead of Monroe. Especially Udoh. Apparently Golden State soured on Monroe because of a poor workout. LOL. Obviously they totally ignored all the game film which showed Monroe was a quality prospect and that Udoh had no business being taken that high.


Yeah, but Udoh's still only 28 years old. He's got a lot of room to grow.

I liked Monroe, but I had concerns about his athleticism and skinny legs. I did select him with the 5th pick in the Trade's and Transactions board pre-lottery mock draft thingy (ahead of Wes Johnson/ behind the consensus 4). He's definitely had a better rookie year than I was expecting, though as I was thinking it'd be a slow climb upwards.
Image
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#196 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 2, 2011 4:34 pm

I definitely underrated him. It's a good lesson that you don't poopoo guys his size with very sound offensive skills and enough athleticism and a good attitude. Look at Tim Duncan - he's lost a couple of steps, but he's still tremendously effective. Brad Daugherty was the same way. I don't think he's going to be in their class, but he's looking good.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
theboomking
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,597
And1: 20
Joined: Jan 10, 2011

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#197 » by theboomking » Wed Mar 2, 2011 4:41 pm

Everybody is going to think I'm an idiot, but what is "BOYD"?

I also like Monroe, but don't think they would trade him, and even if they would, it would probably take too much to get him. I'm crossing my fingers for Cousins fighting a teamate or choking his coach, so we can get him on the cheap.

EG has been pretty active in FA and with trades in the past, so we may get some surprise moves this year or next.
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 17,121
And1: 4,221
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#198 » by dobrojim » Wed Mar 2, 2011 4:47 pm

BYOD = bring out your dead ie how we got Seraphin (by taking Hinrich)
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
User avatar
Illuminaire
Veteran
Posts: 2,970
And1: 606
Joined: Jan 04, 2010
 

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#199 » by Illuminaire » Wed Mar 2, 2011 5:02 pm

To be slightly more specific, it's a term someone here (Hoopalotta?) made up to describe a trade wherein one team takes on a bad contract in exchange for also getting a valuable draft pick. As Dobro said above, when we absorbed Hinrich's salary in exchange for the 17th pick of the draft, that was a classic BYOD trade.
montestewart
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 14,836
And1: 7,966
Joined: Feb 25, 2009

Re: The John Wall Thread--Forget Cousins, How About Monroe? 

Post#200 » by montestewart » Wed Mar 2, 2011 5:08 pm

BOYD = Bring out your dead

BYOD = Bring your own dobro

Return to Washington Wizards