Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[MF23]

I don't like this trade.

I don't understand why Ernie still has this job.

This.

Your right guys. This move is desperate. I like Nene but not in this deal. I'll tell you what I know about Nene and it's that he's going to do what he wants to do. I seriously question if he's the type to change the culture of this team. The logic in the projection of this trade is hard to see.

I know for a fact Nene isn't the easiest player to coach. I don't like that, it's problematic for the future.

[Ruzious]

... like sashae.

Oh, and Spence, too, I guess.

Ouch. Maybe I deserved that, but I hope not.

No - just very cool to see both you and sashae post here today - kinda like seeing old relatives that you haven't seen in a while.

... very old relatives.

[7-Day Dray]

SMH @ Grunfeld

[Spence]

Most were ready to trade Javale for a ham sandwhich.

Make that a salami and rye and you'd have had yourself a deal, mister.

Up and comer? Nah. I wish. We all do. Just another tall dummy with pogo sticks for legs. There will be another along in a few months.

[fugop]

For what it's worth, the rebounding difference between Nene and Javale is entirely on the offensive end. Javale is an outstanding offensive rebounder, Nene poor. Their defensive rebounding percentages are very similar.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What were the options? Be still. Sometimes the best move is to not make one. I think this is one the Wiz will regret down the road. By the end of this contract, they're likely to be looking for way to dump it on someone.

More like next year.

This just reeks of a move without a real plan.

I'm not suprised many like it. Most were ready to trade Javale for a ham sandwhich. And many were pining for a washed up Bogut or mediocre Okafor.

Javale was still an up & comer. Everyone making the silly Blatche & Kwame comparison ignores the fact that Javale was actually productive! Javale may have been an idiot, but he was an incredibly talented and productive one.

I'd much rather make the mistake and pay the up & comer. The athletic young guy who's already productive with room to improve rather than a 30 yr old guy in descent with consistent injury concerns.

+1

[queridiculo]

I agree 100% with Dat, where my opinion differs is on McGee being an up and comer. To me he's fundamentally the same guy.

[ty123]

Can't believe guys are so pissed off. If Nene doesn't request a trade, the two most important positions on the basketball court are filled. Nene is a good, I'd say borderine all star centre who can play defense and win you games. Add that to a really really talented pg and passer in John Wall and you can build a good team right there.

You can't develop Mcgee into an all star level player, the guy just doesn't have the IQ. Something you can't teach. I'd like to see anyone build a winning team with Mcgee as a starter.

[Mmat11]

You have to know when to fold. If we could not find a worthwhile trade then it is best to just accept it instead of forcing one for the sake of forcing a trade.

This trade was irrational. No way around it. The question becomes WHY did we do it? The Nuggets were the team who came off better in this trade. They let go of a bloated contract that has 5 years remaining. Trade results indicate the Nuggets are more interested in their future...not us. Yet WE should be the team more interested in rebuilding. So why did we do it?

Simple. EG is desperate to save his job. This was his last opportunity to show he can make improvements to this squad. He knew he was under fire for the current roster. He knew people were calling for immediate changes to the roster. Given those parameters he pulled off this trade. Acquiesced to all the critics. If he leaves this offseason ... he can take solace in the fact he tried his best to keep his job by responding with this trade for this season and the future of the Wizards would not be in his self-interest anymore once let go.

[Severn Hoos]

Hmm - definitely torn on this one, leaning slightly on the side of the fence toward "Approve".

The way I see it, none of McGee, Young, or Turiaf were going to be here next year, so in terms of assets going out, they gave up basically nothing. The 2nd rounder coming in is nice - we now have three 2nd rounders, two of which should be 31-133, is that right? Might make it easier to move up into mid/late 1st round to get a better draft slot.

So the only real question is whether the cash outlay for Nene is worth it. I think, in the short term, that it definitely is. As has been stated before, no one is coming to the Wiz unless they pay a premium over what he could get on a contender. Plus, almost all of the good FAs are Restricted, so that's yet another premium the Wiz would have to pay, to scare their current team away from matching. And yes, I'd definitely prefer Nene at $13M to McGee on a relatively similar contract, although neither + cap space might still be preferable.

But really, I'm withholding judgement until I see what else the Wiz do this summer. My preference would be to amnesty Blatche, hopefully bu out Lewis (maybe save a million or two in the process?) and roll with the $12M cap space (per nate?) for this summer, and Blatche off the books for the next two offseasons as well.

I've been on an Ilyasova kick lately - having him, Nene, and Booker as the primary Bigs? Yeah, that would work for me. Draft MKG in the Lottery, and plug in a stopgap SG? Or even better, find a way to move up into late lottery for Beal/Lamb (future 1st, Vesely, absorb a middlin' contract)? Uh, yeah that'd work for me:

Wall/Mack/Vet
Stopgap Vet/Beal/Crawford
MKG/Singleton
Ilyasova/Booker/Vesely
Nene/Seraphin

We're suddenly a WHOLE lot better, and if MKG becomes a true star, we could be edging toward beginning to think about maybe competing for a top-5 finish in the East. Only downside: they probably hire Calipari to coach the squad...

[Severn Hoos]

Oh, and I love that they made the deal the night on the Hornets game. No way the Wiz have enough bodies to win - and that's a two-game swing in the tank race. We'll need those games once Nene starts playing down the stretch, we might actually win some games.

[7-Day Dray]

Per Michael Lee, the second rounder coming via the LAC's is the Hornets 2nd rounder - so it should be very high.

Clarification: That second-round draft from LAC (via NOH) is actually in 2015, not this year. So, pump the brakes if you were giddy

Per Michael Lee. So we gave up Young for completely nothing? This trade just gets worse and wore.

[Dat2U]

Trading Blatche for anything would have been addition by subtraction. This deal: not addition by subtraction.

In a lot of ways, it seems like a classic Washington trade. The Wizards just bought the ass end of another career. Denver got reasonable production from Nene at a reasonable price. The Wizards are likely to get an expensive decline.

Indeed. Different ownership. Different game plan. Same results. We just seem damned to repeat this same mistakes all over again. While this isn't Webber/Richmond, McGee is 6 years younger and even more productive that Nene right now!

As far as the opinions held by many on here that it's a good or even great deal, all I can towards that is this board has generally supported any trade that Ernie has made in his time in DC. From Jamison to Critt to Foye/McGee to this. So time will tell.

[LyricalRico]

^ Sev's got the right idea - not looking at the deal in a total vacuum where the only consideration is McGee's imaginatry "potential", but rather as the first step in a process that could see a much improved team next season.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You have to know when to fold. If we could not find a worthwhile trade then it is best to just accept it instead of forcing one for the sake of forcing a trade.

This trade was irrational. No way around it. The question becomes WHY did we do it? The Nuggets were the team who came off better in this trade. They let go of a bloated contract that has 5 years remaining. Trade results indicate the Nuggets are more interested in their future...not us. So why did we do it?

Simple. EG is desperate to save his job. This was his last opportunity to show he can make improvements to this squad. He knew he was under fire for the current roster. He knew people were calling for immediate changes to the roster. Given those parameters he pulled off this trade. Acquiesced to all the critics. If he leaves this offseason ... he can take solace in the fact he tried his best to keep his job by responding with this trade for this season and the future of the Wizards would not be in his self-interest anymore once let go.

+1

This same dude drafted Vesely when darned near everybody knew it was a bad move.

What tickles me is the GM that drafted Faried just pawned off Nene for McGee. All the Wizards needed to do on draft day is draft Faried. Folks still think he and Booker are the same guy.

[7-Day Dray]

Michael Lee ‏ @MrMichaelLee
Source told me Nick Young was supposed to go to DEN, but Young declined to surrender "Bird rights." LAC served as facilitator for #wizards

[truwizfan4evr]

You people bringing a depression mood to this forum. Name one quality big man in this free agent that we would not had to overpay anyway?

[7-Day Dray]

You people bringing a depression mood to this forum. Name one quality big man in this free agent that we would not had to overpay anyway?

That's not the point. The reason why this deal irks me is because we traded a 24 y/o McGee who is still developing and hasn't reach his peak, for a 29-going on-30 player in Nene who we have to pay $13M for for the next 4 years, and takes away a lot of our cap flexibility. Nene has peaked, while McGee was giving production while being 5 years younger! (Less points, more rebounding, more blocks).

This move was desperate, and will be another one of the bad trades EG has made.

[ty123]

You people bringing a depression mood to this forum. Name one quality big man in this free agent that we would not had to overpay anyway?

That's not the point. The reason why this deal irks me is because we traded a 24 y/o McGee who is still developing and hasn't reach his peak, for a 29-going on-30 player in Nene who we have to pay $13M for for the next 4 years, and takes away a lot of our cap flexibility. Nene has peaked, while McGee was giving production while being 5 years younger! (Less points, more rebounding, more blocks).

This move was desperate, and will be another one of the bad trades EG has made.

Would Mcgee be given minutes on a winning team? I can definitely see Nene being a starting centre on a championship team.

[Earth2Ted]

There is only one way that the trade would be justified for me, and that is

a) if keeping JaVale would have made Wall not want to re-up here
b) if Wall actually DOES re-up here
c) Wall develops into the all-world point guard that he should be but has not
d) Wall not only stays, develops, but also recruits a big man of the caliber that JaVale had the POTENTIAL to be, but has not.

That is a lot of ifs there, and I just feel like we gave up on JaVale too soon.

Oh, well... I guess this opens up a roster spot for Andre Drummond...