Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[hands11]

Different course then the conventional wisdom.

WIN NOW WITH NENE. You have a 3 -4 year window and Wall going into year 3.

Wall/Temple
Crawford/Beal
Trevor A/Webster
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin

Are you serious? Do you really think that this 4-22 team is in any position to try and "win now". Yes, Wall's return should help quite a bit, but we'd still be lucky to play .500 ball with him at full strength.

You are letting one win against a really bad Orlando team cloud your judgement. Go watch OKC play a team like San Antonio for a while and compare how much better they are then us. Nene is the only guy on our team that can hold his own against the elite players in the league. Wall might be able to if he has improved a lot in this offseason. Nobody else on the roster is even a starting caliber player.

No, the best course is to tank, add another high pick, and hopefully clear enough cap room to add a quality starter via free agency or trade. I still can't believe how much we blew it last offseason. We could have had Harden, Ryan Anderson and Brendan Haywood instead of Beal, Ariza and Okafor. Add Wall to that lineup and then we'd be onto something:

PG Wall/Crawford/Mack
SG Harden/Crawford
SF Webster/Martin
PF Anderson/Seraphin/Booker
C Nene/Haywood

First, lets not be petty. Of course I am not letting one win do that. I have watched every game this year.

Different views challenge people to consider different views instead of group think. Yes I am serious. You posted what could have maybe been. I have line ups like that as well that could have been. Hell yeah Harden would have made a huge difference.

I'm talking about what they can do now. Why? In large part because I think Nene is just that good and you don't get a Nene all that often. They will have a top pick this year either way. Wall is not coming back until mid to late January. They piled up a ton of loses. They will get a top pick. I'm looking to next year and to end this year.

Wall/Temple
Crawford/( 3 ball shooter with at least 3 years experience )/Beal
MWP/Webster
Nene/Ves/Booker
Okafor/Kevin

You can disagree, but I think this group would legitimately cause some problems for other teams. Comparing them to OKC is an extreme test. Sure we all want to win it all but only one team gets to do that and OKC is proven so hard to argue any imaginary team would be able to compete at that level. First you have to get into the second round of the playoffs. I say that team would have a legit chance to get there.

I say dumping contracts is the wrong way to go. Losing, tanking, dunking contract for another day and wishing and praying for what if players that aren't here or that will take 3 years to develop is no way to win. Win now while you have Nene and Wall. Using their current record as a reason not to do it is the easy way out. I don't believe this team is going to end the year losing like they have. Not unless Nene is shut down. No Wall and no Nene has had a huge effect on this team. I said that before and I still believe it. Add both back changes everything. Lets not forget how close they have been in most games. Wall and Nene would have made a world of difference.

Does everyone realize they are already the 7th best rebounding team in the league. And thats with Kevin S not even producing like we hope he will once Nene and Randy get his head right. Thats also without Trevor A as a lock down SF or his replacement in my trade of MWP.

This team was build to be a defensive team and defensive team can make noise in the playoffs. They have showed it some this year but we are about to see it even more once Trevor A returns this week and now that they have Nene and Okafor together with Nene playing 29 minutes last game.

In a way, I see this team like the Skins were without RG3 and Alfred. They had pieces and they lost. Add Wall and Nene your speedy QB and RB that pounds the ball, and things can turn quickly.

We will see soon enough won't we.

[Earth2Ted]

Despite DeMarcus Cousins' recent suspension handed out by the Sacramento Kings, co-owners Gavin and Joe Maloof are still reluctant to trade the young big man, according to sources.

Among potential suitors, there is a growing belief that GM Geoff Petrie would be willing to part ways with Cousins in exchange for a quality veteran player or two who could bring instant improvement.

Nene seems like the logical answer here.

If Sac is willing to give up Cousins for Nene without demanding draft picks, you have to do it- as good as Nene has been for us on and off the court.

Nene for Cousins and Salmons work salary-wise. Question is- will that be good enough for the Kings? Multiple teams out there are going to be bidding against each other.

[nate33]

I'm talking about what they can do now. Why? In large part because I think Nene is just that good and you don't get a Nene all that often. They will have a top pick this year either way. Wall is not coming back until mid to late January. They piled up a ton of loses. They will get a top pick. I'm looking to next year and to end this year.

I agree with you that Nene is extremely good and we should be looking to utilize him, not dump him as some advocate. But with that said, the rest of your strategy is flawed. You have already admitted that we will be angling for a top pick, which means you have accepted tanking as a viable strategy this year. With that in mind, the goal should be to look towards next year and beyond. The best way to do that isn't to stick with not-so-good overpaid vets like Okafor and Ariza. The plan should be to dump them for cap room, tank, and then add a high pick and one good free agent to our core of Wall and Nene.

Some of our other young players like Seraphin, Beal, Booker, Crawford and Webster might be good enough to remain with the team, but they're certainly not indispensable. I'd trade any one of them without a second thought if it brought us more talent in return. There is no reason whatsoever to believe we have anything special going on with the current group.

What I'm saying is that our future should look like this:

PG: Wall/????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: Nene/?????

And Nene and Wall aren't untouchable either.

[hands11]

I'm talking about what they can do now. Why? In large part because I think Nene is just that good and you don't get a Nene all that often. They will have a top pick this year either way. Wall is not coming back until mid to late January. They piled up a ton of loses. They will get a top pick. I'm looking to next year and to end this year.

I agree with you that Nene is extremely good and we should be looking to utilize him, not dump him as some advocate. But with that said, the rest of your strategy is flawed. You have already admitted that we will be angling for a top pick, which means you have accepted tanking as a viable strategy this year. With that in mind, the goal should be to look towards next year and beyond. The best way to do that isn't to stick with not-so-good overpaid vets like Okafor and Ariza. The plan should be to dump them for cap room, tank, and then add a high pick and one good free agent to our core of Wall and Nene.

Some of our other young players like Seraphin, Beal, Booker, Crawford and Webster might be good enough to remain with the team, but they're certainly not indispensable. I'd trade any one of them without a second thought if it brought us more talent in return. There is no reason whatsoever to believe we have anything special going on with the current group.

What I'm saying is that our future should look like this:

PG: Wall/????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: Nene/?????

And Nene and Wall aren't untouchable either.

I understand what you are saying. I am disagreeing. That is why I titled my post the way I did.

How about this. Lets just have a debate without the fluff stuff like how my view is flawed and yours isn't. I understand we are coming at this from two different sides. I clearly understand the general consensus of the board. I was proposing a different path.

Angling for a top pick is already baked in the cake. I already said that. They have 4 games won. Even when they turn it around they arent going to win so many games that they aren't getting a good pick and since in my plan, they aren't building for 4 years down the road with God knows who on the team, I'm not looking for a pick to help them win next year as a starter. I'm looking at player(s) who already knows how to play that can produce.

Here is another place we differ. Losing breads losing. Nene will not stand for that and Nene is a piece I want to keep and when you add Wall to it, it is a pair that I say you build from to win NOW because you know what, they are going to try to win now. That's who those two are. So is Crawford. Okafor would love to win now and with Nene at his side, I think we get a better Okafor. He can focus on what he does well.

Stop this endless wishing into the future stuff. Yes, we differ on this approach.

Nene at 30 mins is a difference maker. It all starts there. Wall will be returning. Temple is looking like a great find who can back up at PG though we need to see more. Kevin seems to have gotten the message though it may need to get sent again. If Kevin wakes up, he could be a beast. Nene and Okafor in the post is legit. They will still have their challenges until Wall returns and they add an outside shooter ( or Beal magically finds his shot ) but they are going to end the year winning as long as Nene stays healthy.

Their cap is fine right now. They can extend Trevor A and Okafor for fair contracts and have two NBA talents as reserves. That is not going to hurt their cap.

Fact is, we are going to hopefully get to judge the foundation of this very soon. Then there will be decision to make. If things start to work out like they can, I say run with it.

My idea once we see it was to exchange MWP for Trevor A. It makes no different in contract cost. The question was, what would that do for the team.

Wall/Temple
Crawford/Beal
MWP/Webster
Nene/Ves/Booker or Singleton
Okafor/Kevin

Now consider that team with a SG who can hit from 3 as a 3rd option.

I say that team can battle for 4th in the east and once there. That is where they need to be to test their mettle. Mostly Walls.

There cap is fine plus they add another piece via the draft this year and put the year after pick on the table to add a piece. You win now. That is what I think this franchise needs to do.

[gambitx777]

We would be .500 team. not bad but not a true contender.
i think we need to move okafur, maybe to the hawks for Zaza and Harris.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c6nm7tw
Maybe we could send Okafur to the bucks for Udrih and dalembert
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=99e296k

maybe we could trade okariza for pau straight up?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cd3vy6r
idk any thoughts?

[hands11]

We would be .500 team. not bad but not a true contender.
i think we need to move okafur, maybe to the hawks for Zaza and Harris.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c6nm7tw
Maybe we could send Okafur to the bucks for Udrih and dalembert
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=99e296k

maybe we could trade okariza for pau straight up?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cd3vy6r
idk any thoughts?

Try matching them up against the other teams in the conference. That roster with the addition of another SG that can hit from 3 reliably would be at the same level if not better then ATL. ATL is a .667

[LyricalRico]

i think we need to move okafur, maybe to the hawks for Zaza and Harris.

That all depends on what Atlanta wants to do with Smith. I see them waiting to see if they can get Dwight Howard to sign in the offseason, and if they can't then they have to decide if they want to commit to Smith or move Horford to PF and pick up another center. In that case, trading them Okafor for cap space might be possible. But I don't think they do anything now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jamison is disgruntled. The Lakers are winning and he's no longer part of the rotation.

Washington trades Trevor Booker for LAL for Antawn Jamison and the lakers round 2 pick.

Just to do Booker a solid and to balance out the roster with a veteran, stretch PF "The Leader of Men" can hold it down until James Singleton returns from the Chinese Basketball league.

With the Lakers pick the Wizards can draft someone like Doug McDermott, one of the most underrated players in this draft.

[hands11]

Jamison is disgruntled. The Lakers are winning and he's no longer part of the rotation.

Washington trades Trevor Booker for LAL for Antawn Jamison and the lakers round 2 pick.

Just to do Booker a solid and to balance out the roster with a veteran, stretch PF "The Leader of Men" can hold it down until James Singleton returns from the Chinese Basketball league.

With the Lakers pick the Wizards can draft someone like Doug McDermott, one of the most underrated players in this draft.

Plus MWP for Trevor A

Wall/Temple/Mack
Crawford/Beal
MWP/Webster/Singleton
Nene/AJ/Ves
Okafor/Kevin

Plus they have the 2nd from LA and first for this year.

or without MWP

Wall/Temple/Mack
Crawford/Beal
Trevor A/Webster/Singleton
Nene/AJ/Ves
Okafor/Kevin/Ves

thought we need to see what Booker looks like now that he has a real doctor working with him.


Wall/Temple/Mack
Crawford/Beal
MWP/Webster/Singleton
Nene/Booker/Ves
Okafor/Kevin

Key is finding that extra SG we need that can hit from 3 at a .400 clip. How do we get that CCJ.

[FAH1223]

I agree with you that Nene is extremely good and we should be looking to utilize him, not dump him as some advocate. But with that said, the rest of your strategy is flawed. You have already admitted that we will be angling for a top pick, which means you have accepted tanking as a viable strategy this year. With that in mind, the goal should be to look towards next year and beyond. The best way to do that isn't to stick with not-so-good overpaid vets like Okafor and Ariza. The plan should be to dump them for cap room, tank, and then add a high pick and one good free agent to our core of Wall and Nene.

Some of our other young players like Seraphin, Beal, Booker, Crawford and Webster might be good enough to remain with the team, but they're certainly not indispensable. I'd trade any one of them without a second thought if it brought us more talent in return. There is no reason whatsoever to believe we have anything special going on with the current group.

What I'm saying is that our future should look like this:

PG: Wall/????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: Nene/?????

And Nene and Wall aren't untouchable either.

Exactly my thoughts.

[gambitx777]

see that's the problem. We should have just bought out Lewis our self's.We gave up all that cap room for two declining players and we even gave them a second round pick... we could have really used that pick! plus we could have used the cap room to go out and get a Belinelli and instead of price we could have gone after a better back up point guard. we should have gone out and gotten a young big on a smaller contract and see what happened. the we could have addressed the starting 2 spot as well. we would be a better team, had we used that pick and not traded for okariza. we could have and should have made a push for more talent than what we did.

So, i feel that we need to move okafur and ariza for anything that we can get for them. if its just cap room fine do it. consider moving NENE if it nets us something equal or fair. I think we need to let E.G. make some moves, lock up all draft picks, but let him see if he can get rid of some of this money.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... In_Cousins


Of course someone like Boston will trade for Cousins with a package worse than we can offer, because that's what teams like that do, and nothing is what teams like the Wizards do.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Some players I have interest in are Cousins, Derrick Williams, and possibly Terrance Jones who the Rockets have sent to Dleague.

Cousins, I'm thinking some kind of package of Seraphin and Crawford + possible draft picks... is this feasible?

DWilliams maybe something with Vesely and Singleton or Booker?

My thinking is a frontcourt of Cousins, Nene, Derrick Williams with Beal and Wall could have some hope of becoming a decent foundation.

[Nivek]

nate: Right now, I think the Wizards future looks more like this---

PG: ?????/?????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: ?????/?????

[popper]

I don't think the Wiz would touch Cousins with a ten foot pole. We just got rid of two or three knuckleheads so bringing in another one doesn't make sense. IMO Okafor should be marketable for decent value (players, picks, expirings, whatever). It would surprise me if we weren't already in talks with 2 or 3 teams trying to negotiate the best return. Package Booker and our later second round pick to grab a late round one pick, add Shabazz or Lin and a solid player with our high second round pick and a FA and we should be a very solid team. --- that is of course assuming we cut EG loose before the draft.

[nate33]

nate: Right now, I think the Wizards future looks more like this---

PG: ?????/?????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: ?????/?????

Pretty tough to argue with this.

Certainly, Wall and Nene can be moved for the right deal. I'm just saying that it's possible to envision a future a year or two down the road where the team is very successful with Wall and Nene starting (assuming lots of good things happen at the other positions). I really can't envision a successful future with anybody else on the current roster starting unless they make major improvements. (Caveat: Webster could conceivably be a starter on a good team provided he's the 5th best player alongside a very good top 4).

[Jay81]

nate: Right now, I think the Wizards future looks more like this---

PG: ?????/?????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: ?????/?????

thats actually encouraging

[gambitx777]

Well, i don't think that we can just give up on beal yet. but if we get good offers for wall or NENE we should consider it. We need to dump Okafur and Ariza. I don't really care what we get back as long as we don't take on any money or give away any picks. if we need to give away a late second, I won't be happy but i can live with it.
But i agree we need to ditch E.G before the draft or at least we need to put someone else in charge of drafting.

i think we can all agree that if we get a loto pick this year or next and some young guy we would trade wall. I'm sure we would take a little less for nene but it would have to be a good package!. one thing is for sure, we can not waste another draft pick !!!

we should also send jan to the d league, if we can't trade him we need to try to develop him and the d league might get his confidence back up and allow him to learn how to play.

[hands11]

Well, i don't think that we can just give up on beal yet. but if we get good offers for wall or NENE we should consider it. We need to dump Okafur and Ariza. I don't really care what we get back as long as we don't take on any money or give away any picks. if we need to give away a late second, I won't be happy but i can live with it.
But i agree we need to ditch E.G before the draft or at least we need to put someone else in charge of drafting.

i think we can all agree that if we get a loto pick this year or next and some young guy we would trade wall. I'm sure we would take a little less for nene but it would have to be a good package!. one thing is for sure, we can not waste another draft pick !!!

we should also send jan to the d league, if we can't trade him we need to try to develop him and the d league might get his confidence back up and allow him to learn how to play.

I'm pretty sure I heard Jan has a no DL clause in his contract. So if he is going down there, you have to get him to agree to it first. Second, they aren't even going to think about it until they get Booker back. Singleton isn't even getting minutes over Jan right now. It would have been good for Jan to go down to the DL when they weren't playing him, but now they are so why bother. He isn't going to start shooting in games until he is out there and the team has a decent lead.

Trevor A is supposed to be ready soon. Not sure what the hold up is. I think last week I read he was supposed to be ready this week. Crawford will also return soon. He never stays out long.

Oh, here ya go. Trevor will practice on Monday. Should be back soon after that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... this-week/

Slowly, they are getting close and closer to having their core roster pieces healthy. Adding Trevor A is only going to make their defense even tougher to deal with. Okafor, Nene, Trevor A. Thats a nice defensive core. Put Temple and Crawford out there with them and I think they will play well together. Bring Webster, Beal and Ves off the bench. Once they get Wall back, they will have a legit 9-10 man rotation.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

nate: Right now, I think the Wizards future looks more like this---

PG: ?????/?????
SG: ?????/?????
SF: ?????/?????
PF: ?????/?????
C: ?????/?????

thats actually encouraging

When they get another GM, and I think they will, the answer to those questions will be improvements for the most part. Things will get better from the top down because a team that can win is coming from those question marks.

The biggest question is when will the FO change?