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Post#181 » by Mr. Grundle » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:02 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well in principle, I'm with CCJ on this ine. I don't understand why you bring in a guy with this questionable behavior after going through such great lengths to supposedly change the culture after a recent past including the likes of Arenas, Crittenden, Blatche, etc.

If I had the pick with a gun to my head, pun intended, I would of taken Colton Iverson. I also really liked Murphy & his 45% 3pt shot. Withey and Green would of been others worth consideration there over Rice.


You can take a chance on a guy like this now because the core makeup of this team allows you to do so with minimal risk. With guys like Okafor, Nene, Beal, Wall, and now Porter composing a core of professionals who do things the right way, you can take a flier in the 2nd round on a guy with tremendous upside and a checkered personal record. If it works out he could be a great scoring punch off the bench. If not, oh well, he wasn't meant to be a core piece anyway.

I see a lot of complaining about EG's draft strategy but I find it a welcome change. In the past he would gamble on a McGee or Vesley in the 1st then pick a low ceiling player like Sheldon Mack in the 2nd or just sell the pick. Going with the safe pick in the 1st (Otto) and gambling on upside in the 2nd seems like a more reasonable strategy.
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Post#182 » by Wizardspride » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:34 am

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If Hardaway wasn't there, #Knicks would've snapped up Bullock. If both weren't there, Glen Rice Jr. was next. Plumlee not on radar.

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Post#183 » by DCsOwn » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:59 am

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well in principle, I'm with CCJ on this ine. I don't understand why you bring in a guy with this questionable behavior after going through such great lengths to supposedly change the culture after a recent past including the likes of Arenas, Crittenden, Blatche, etc.

If I had the pick with a gun to my head, pun intended, I would of taken Colton Iverson. I also really liked Murphy & his 45% 3pt shot. Withey and Green would of been others worth consideration there over Rice.


You can take a chance on a guy like this now because the core makeup of this team allows you to do so with minimal risk. With guys like Okafor, Nene, Beal, Wall, and now Porter composing a core of professionals who do things the right way, you can take a flier in the 2nd round on a guy with tremendous upside and a checkered personal record. If it works out he could be a great scoring punch off the bench. If not, oh well, he wasn't meant to be a core piece anyway.

I see a lot of complaining about EG's draft strategy but I find it a welcome change. In the past he would gamble on a McGee or Vesley in the 1st then pick a low ceiling player like Sheldon Mack in the 2nd or just sell the pick. Going with the safe pick in the 1st (Otto) and gambling on upside in the 2nd seems like a more reasonable strategy.


I agree with everything you posted. There were a few players that I was hoping we'd consider at the top of the second, and Rice was at the top of the list. When you can do this...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=rela ... LK4t9Q_sxk

...and shoot, and rebound, and create for yourself at a decent clip, and pass, you have a chance to make an impact in any league and we could use more impact players. I applaud Ernie and company for the move. Will there be a player better than Rice that was selected after him? Possibly. But let's be honest, that's not a unique reality to any draft pick irrespective of the round they were selected in except for the truly elite prospects that dot the landscape every so often. What I do know is that this kid has a tremendously high ceiling, he has a very developed game, he competes on the court AND he still has some projection left in his game. I'll take that type of talent at the top of the second round any day.
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Re: Glen Rice Jr. 

Post#184 » by DCsOwn » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:04 am

Wizardspride wrote:https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman

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If Hardaway wasn't there, #Knicks would've snapped up Bullock. If both weren't there, Glen Rice Jr. was next. Plumlee not on radar.


The funny thing is, I have those three players ranked in the reverse order. Still cool to see that our boy garnered first round consideration nonetheless
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Post#185 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:06 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I don't know Rice, Jr. I just know if he were interviewing for a job or trying to date a friend or relative, or even someone wanting to be a part of an organization besides the military; I'd want no parts of him just based on his past. I did look at his dad and I did make several harsh judgments.
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I am surprised that 95% seem very happy with this pick. Experts eschew the gun, dismissal, and court part. The first stupid thing this guy does will bring all kinds of bad press and old footage of gun gate. :roll:


I fussed on draft night. Then did my research. Now I'm okay. He's in the family now, let's give the kid the benefit of our best wishes and hopes.

What I want to know is whether you have seen any of the interviews or read any of what he has said about his decisions in the past. If you believe those are simply PR massage, or if the kid is genuine and credible.

From what I read, not just in character reports from current coaches or endorsement by teammates, but what I read in his body language and tone of voice: it sounds like the kid was honestly miserable when faced with the inability to play basketball. That he might lose the only thing he knew to do, the only thing he cared about, and was faced with a bleak future, that he had a crisis moment and decided to do what he had to do to make it work. Eat whatever humble pie life had fed him and own up to the idea that he made his own dumb mistakes.

Rice will remain enrolled at Georgia Tech and complete his academic requirements for the spring semester.

"Glen has done well in school, and we want to make sure he finishes the semester strong, and then we'll assist him in any way we can with his next steps as a student-athlete," Gregory said.

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According to an Atlanta police report, an officer received a call of a shot being fired near a nightclub. The officer said he pulled over a Cadillac Escalade and recovered two handguns from inside the vehicle.

Warren "had glossy eyes and the odor of an alcoholic beverage on his breath," the report said. He was charged with DUI.

Rice was charged with permitting unlawful operation.

Another passenger, Steven Pryor, was charged with discharging a firearm while under the influence. He claimed the gun went off accidentally while he was trying to remove it from between two seats, police said. He did have a firearms license.

Officers returned to the scene of the shooting to check for any victims or property damage. None was found.


This was three drunken college students who had a gun in the car. Something stupid was bound to happen eventually. But this wasn't Ray Lewis. Rae Carruth. Or even Lonny Baxter. Nobody reported that anyone shot at people. Someone heard a shot and the cops pulled over a luxury SUV.

Making excuses for the kid? No. I think you can distrust his judgement and reasonably have concerns about the DC nightlife or atmosphere which has taken down players from CWebb to Delonte West. But I do think you go overboard in your aversion to him somewhat, based in part on what you admit was a spark of prejudice against Ernie Grunfeld initially, and continual disappointment at the failure of this front office to value late picks.

I think, if you took the time to listen to the kid and look at his eyes when he answers the questions, he was depressed miserable and terrified that he might lose the thing he loves most. And if you see the talent and flair with which he plays you'd understand that for him losing basketball would be, well if not a death sentence, it'd be like neutering a cat who was already mature. He'd know what he lost.

He was still practicing with his teammates while he was off the team, just to smell the gym and be around basketball. He manned up and fixed some bad habits, at least in basketball terms, learning to listen to his coaches and simply work harder. That part is all admirable, and if it is a durable lesson learned, if it has become wisdom and a learning experience, then all to the good. Personally I don't get the read from him that he was ever a bad kid, just that he was immature, spoiled a little, and already thought he was a superstar. Having to learn to become a professional and not just a megatalent is something I wish many players were forced to undergo. I suspect LeBron wouldn't be as much of a douchebag if he'd been forced to sit a bench on the d-league and wait his turn to earn PT.

I'd be curious to see if you still felt the same way after watching him talk about his path.
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Re: Glen Rice Jr. 

Post#186 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:14 am

Everyone is sorry when they're caught. Some are remorseful and others feign contrition.

Gun on top of two suspensions--I'm not moved that his liquored-up friend accidentally discharged one of TWO guns in the car. I'm going to be "averse" until the guy plays long enough without incident to remove doubts. I have no idea how long that is.

Bottom line: There were more sensible picks who actually fit a team need and who do not travel with thugs or get kicked out of school.
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Post#187 » by Wizardspride » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:36 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Everyone is sorry when they're caught. Some are remorseful and others feign contrition.

Gun on top of two suspensions--I'm not moved that his liquored-up friend accidentally discharged one of TWO guns in the car. I'm going to be "averse" until the guy plays long enough without incident to remove doubts. I have no idea how long that is.

Bottom line: There were more sensible picks who actually fit a team need and who do not travel with thugs or get kicked out of school.

Remind me never to get on your bad side. :D

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Re: Glen Rice Jr. 

Post#188 » by montestewart » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:42 am

I guess if Rice's arrival is the tipping point at which Webster and the Wizards part, then Webster was just a cheap one-year rental for a 29-53 team. I'll remove that one from the EG win column, which as always is a little thin.
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Post#189 » by DCZards » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:50 am

Doc, thanks for the background on what went down with the so-called shooting that Rice was involved in. I doubt that the young men Rice was hanging with were "thugs." Thugs don't usually have licenses for their firearms.

The Zards drafted a very talented basketball player in the second round--a kid with first round skills--who has a good chance to be a real contributor to helping the Zards win games. Drafting GR Jr. may have been a risk but I believe it was a risk worth taking.

It's clear that GR Jr. made some questionable and downright stupid decisions while at Ga. Tech., but I seriously doubt that he's a bad kid. From all accounts, he's been saying and doing the right things for the past year or so. I think we should give him a chance to continue to prove that his off court issues are behind him. If not, adios.
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Post#190 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:14 am

Thing I love about CCJ is that he has the courage of his convictions and will argue very strongly when he feels he is right. Then will revisit a topic and admit when he is wrong later. If it becomes clear he was wrong. And will go from happy to miserable and back again all with equally articulate emotion.

IN this case, to me the bottom line is this: hate GMEG's decisions all you want, Glen Rice Jr is on our team now. He's ours. Learn to like it, or not, but it's a fact. And the kid just _may_ not deserve the contempt with which he's been discussed. Caught in a crossfire.

GRJr hasn't yet read a word of these boards I'd bet, but CCJ is the one on here who most believes that athletes and their families do read what people say and write about them. And in the reasonable frustration of what looks like a misstep by our front office, he's been willing to hold a kid to a standard that he admits he doesn't hold for all players, and is deliberately unwilling to take a look at what the kid says of his own story, in part I suspect because it's easier to remain righteously pissed about the situation than to look the young man in the face and tell him he's a thug and a bad dude.

I too think Wolters will be a hell of a player. Sure I'm concerned that DC is a tougher place to keep squeaky clean than Rio Grande River Valley, that Rice may make a bad decision later. I also dislike his defense. But -IF- he improves his defense, and -IF- he avoids trouble, I think he'll be a real nice addition to the team. Debatably more important than Nate Wolters would have been ( * next post)

I don't plan to rip him NOW, I personally am not waiting for him to fail just to have an excuse to say 'I toldja so'. Kid made a dumb mistake and has done everything he needed to to rectify it. For now. To me that shows character, or the beginnings of it. So I'll credit him for evidence of a turnaround.
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Post#191 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:25 am

* (from above) I have no real conviction to this argument since I end up arguing against a kid I really like in Natey-Dub but here:

GRJr may have been a better add than Wolters for a few reasons:

1. He'd see less PT playing behind John Wall than a solid and talented 2-3 swingman shooter would. Debatable, but while healthy John Wall will lead this team in minutes played (and of not see 2 below) and while Nate Wolters can score, he's best with the ball in his hand if we think about playing him next to John Wall.

2. [see: talking-to-myself-on-a-public-bus conspiracy theory in the happyhappy thread]. [bascally Nate Wolters doesn't win us a championship. But he makes us not suck as much if John Wall can't play. Thus stealing lotto chances, which might've landed us the Bigguy who wins us a championship]

3. I forget. Oh yeah: combo guard is the easiest position to fill. Last year you were pissed we missed on Scott Machado. He's still available in the D-League. That league is chockfulla 'em. But there was only one DLeague NBA Finals champ. We can get one easy. I get the feeling there's a reason we don't. See #2 above.

4. He's athletically more gifted than Nate. Taller, stronger, more ups. Not better BBIQ or obviously decision making. But raw physical tools.

5. We got Satoransky! He'll eat Nate's lunch! He's from Europe! Something like that!
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Post#192 » by Deeptu McPullup » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:43 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Everyone is sorry when they're caught. Some are remorseful and others feign contrition.

Gun on top of two suspensions--I'm not moved that his liquored-up friend accidentally discharged one of TWO guns in the car. I'm going to be "averse" until the guy plays long enough without incident to remove doubts. I have no idea how long that is.

Bottom line: There were more sensible picks who actually fit a team need and who do not travel with thugs or get kicked out of school.


Though I'm good with the Rice pick, I applaud your vehement stance against guys doing stupid things with guns!

Great policy.
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Re: Glen Rice Jr. 

Post#193 » by BruceO » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:34 am

Can we just take a deep breath and hug it out?
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Re: Glen Rice Jr. 

Post#194 » by hands11 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:55 pm

Mr. Grundle wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well in principle, I'm with CCJ on this ine. I don't understand why you bring in a guy with this questionable behavior after going through such great lengths to supposedly change the culture after a recent past including the likes of Arenas, Crittenden, Blatche, etc.

If I had the pick with a gun to my head, pun intended, I would of taken Colton Iverson. I also really liked Murphy & his 45% 3pt shot. Withey and Green would of been others worth consideration there over Rice.


You can take a chance on a guy like this now because the core makeup of this team allows you to do so with minimal risk. With guys like Okafor, Nene, Beal, Wall, and now Porter composing a core of professionals who do things the right way, you can take a flier in the 2nd round on a guy with tremendous upside and a checkered personal record. If it works out he could be a great scoring punch off the bench. If not, oh well, he wasn't meant to be a core piece anyway.

I see a lot of complaining about EG's draft strategy but I find it a welcome change. In the past he would gamble on a McGee or Vesley in the 1st then pick a low ceiling player like Sheldon Mack in the 2nd or just sell the pick. Going with the safe pick in the 1st (Otto) and gambling on upside in the 2nd seems like a more reasonable strategy.



Would SA have picked him ?

Was the added risk worth the payoff vs Wolters ?
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Post#195 » by hands11 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:29 pm

But the good news is that Wittman is the HC. I expect Randy talked with the young man and he knows the drill. Randy isn't putting up with non sense. We saw that with Dray. Randy will suspend your ass if he sees you are detrimental to the teams goals.

Hey. Caron Butler had a questionable past but he turned it around. People make mistakes and some turn their lives around.

I don't know nearly enough about him to know if this will work out better then keeping Wolters or drafting Muscala, Iverson, or Withey. But I do know it was added risk. I do know it was a gun thing and that seems to not pass the sniff test for some of us Wizard fans. How does EG not get that?

Why bring that into your locker room ? How does he fit with your other locker room players ?

I do know we could have used the help at PG and we needed a young long rebounding defensive center on the cheap more then a 3rd SG to replace C Martin. I do know Webster getting signed is in question and this just add more questions. So leaving his back ground out of it, the pick still doesn't make sense. Add to it that the team just cleaned up its act with questionable character players, and more specially it was a gun incident that lead to blowing the team up, and it just makes even less sense.

Character is a skill. It takes development and decision making like other basketball skills and EG has a history of over looking that for what he see as project upside players. That's EG.

Is the team better situated to handle a players like this now. Absolutely.
Was it a smart idea to select a player like that over other choices. Nope.

See, I don't think EG had as much control over picks like Beal and Otto as I think he has over later picks. Ted isn't going to give him full control to blow the #1 or #3 picks. I can see him giving him that control over the later picks. So hopefully this was a Ted test. See if EG has learned anything since he took over. See if he can stick with the formula of high character players. And it only cost you a 2nd pick to find out.

It would be funny if when its all said and done, its a 2nd round pick that ends up being EGs nail in the coffin.
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Post#196 » by hands11 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:51 pm

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... en-rice-jr

Video interview.

He may not be a problem child but he doesn't seem to be the sharpest tack in the box. Seems a little Nick Young to me.
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Post#197 » by DCZards » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:25 pm

hands11 wrote:Caron Butler had a questionable past but he turned it around. People make mistakes and some turn their lives around.

I don't know nearly enough about him to know if this will work out better then keeping Wolters or drafting Muscala, Iverson, or Withey. But I do know it was added risk. I do know it was a gun thing and that seems to not pass the sniff test for some of us Wizard fans. How does EG not get that?


The key phrase here is "some of us Wizard fans." I'm guessing there are just as many (or more) Zards fans who are willing to take the risk and hope that Rice has really gotten his act together.

hands11 wrote:I do know we could have used the help at PG and we needed a young long rebounding defensive center on the cheap more then a 3rd SG to replace C Martin. I do know Webster getting signed is in question and this just add more questions. So leaving his back ground out of it, the pick still doesn't make sense.


So you like the situation at backup SG? I don't. Webster can play there some but he's not good enough off the bounce to be the answer as backup SG, imo. Cartier Martin seems like a good guy, but he's far too inconsistent as a shooter and brings little else to the table. And as much as I like Garrett Temple, no way do I see him as the answer at backup SG...at least not on a playoff team.

hands11 wrote:It would be funny if when its all said and done, its a 2nd round pick that ends up being EGs nail in the coffin.


And the opposite could also happen. If Rice turns out to be the steal of the draft as some NBA draft experts and posters here have suggested, it could turn out to be the pick that makes EG look like a pretty smart GM. I guess time will tell.
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Post#198 » by DCZards » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:21 pm

hands11 wrote:He may not be a problem child but he doesn't seem to be the sharpest tack in the box. Seems a little Nick Young to me.


I’d be careful about judging someone’s intelligence based on how articulate or inarticulate they are. I listened to the interview and what was most important is what GR Jr. said--not how he said it. He recognizes that he’s made some serious mistakes and seems to realize that he’s getting a second chance that he absolutely must take advantage of. We’ll see.
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Post#199 » by montestewart » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:36 pm

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hands11 wrote:He may not be a problem child but he doesn't seem to be the sharpest tack in the box. Seems a little Nick Young to me.


I’d be careful about judging someone’s intelligence based on how articulate or inarticulate they are. I listened to the interview and what was most important is what GR Jr. said--not how he said it. He recognizes that he’s made some serious mistakes and seems to realize that he’s getting a second chance that he absolutely must take advantage of. We’ll see.

My favorite player ever, big Wes, basically spoke in grunts and mutters for much of his career. He did occasionally mutter wisecracks of other observations which revealed his intelligence, but you didn't need to hear them, because his basketball IQ was evident from his play.

Many of my favorite players ever haven't had much to say or had great difficulty saying it. Intelligence isn't always so easily measured by articulation. Just watch TV news shows for proof of that.
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Post#200 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:41 pm

I'm so happy to his Glen rice Jr he's going to be a nice addition to are team.
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