Is Wall Top 5 PG?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Two years ago Nivek was criticizing Wall about his turnovers. At the time i argued that i wasn't worried about it, that he was a young guy who had gone through some difficult circumstances (lockout, injuries, poor teamates). I will willing to cut Wall some slack, hoping that he would learn over time and reduces his turnovers.

Here we are 2 years later and he hasn't made any improvement in his turnovers or his TS. Granted it is still early in the season but it would be nice to actually see some improvement instead of just hoping for it.

Yeah, your right, maybe he is never gonna get it. Maybe we can get a PG with a lower TO rate & higher TS number. Brian Roberts has the lowest TO rate in the league. Or How bout Cory Joseph? Guys with a higher TS? Where do I begin? Pablo Prigioni is killing it with a .659 TS%. Or how bout Kendall Marshall with a gaudy .608. Maybe we could do a 2 for 1 deal and get a good shooter AND someone that doesn't turn over the ball. Where's CCJ at?

For once, conserving my energy, choosing my battle, and NOT taking the bait, Dat.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If John Wall just plays aggressively on defense more, he's good as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, shoot more threes instead of the long two. Raise the TS%. His two flaws IMO are his tendency to settle early in the clock for a midrange to long two, and his tendency to coast a bit on defense. I think it's more his mindfulness and attention to detail than him being a slacker. John busts his tail, generally. His turnovers really don't bother me one bit. He's a player who attacks and who usually makes good things happen when he does.

I'm happy with Wall. I think he's doing his best. His PER is around 20.5 and his WS/48 is around .144. Good but hardly great... YET we HAVE seen him play great. March 2013 and as recently as overtime #2 against Boston; that John Wall played GREAT.

Wall doesn't need fan boys shielding him from criticism. Other players might just be better. I don't care. I am happy with this John Wall, whether he doesn't improve one iota or whether he plays in "God mode" more than occasionally.

He is a good young man and a great ambassador to DC, the city where his father was from.

[Higga]

I'm looking at the #s and you can legitimately argue that Wall is the best PG in the league with his combination of points, rebounds, assists, and steals per game. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but you can argue it and make a reasonable argument.

[Nivek]

I'm looking at the #s and you can legitimately argue that Wall is the best PG in the league with his combination of points, rebounds, assists, and steals per game. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but you can argue it and make a reasonable argument.

Yeah, this would basically be like the Good Plays Only metric I "invented" last season. When I ran it last year, Wall was 2nd behind Curry in "GPO."

Wall also was third in the "Bad Plays Only" metric.

To properly evaluate a player, you have to consider both the good and the bad.

[CobraCommander]

21-11-7 shooting 10 of 17- Taking over when he needed to against Orlando tonight. This is only one game but we can all agree that if we win - its more often than not because he led the team and when they lose, it's normally not his fault. If Wall plays like this he is in the conversation for top 3. Right now he is simply in the top 5.

[jangles86]

I'ts not even an arguement about top 5 pg. He is a top 5 player in the league right now.

[tontoz]

Props to Wall tonight. The rest of the team wasn't doing much and so took over at the end. I was sure they were going to lose this game.

[nuposse04]

I'ts not even an arguement about top 5 pg. He is a top 5 player in the league right now.

Top 5 might be true as far as PG standing go, but in no way is he a top 5 player YET.

Lots of guys ahead of him. Would like to see him get there, but for now he just needs to master his position.

[jangles86]

I'ts not even an arguement about top 5 pg. He is a top 5 player in the league right now.

Top 5 might be true as far as PG standing go, but in no way is he a top 5 player YET.

Lots of guys ahead of him. Would like to see him get there, but for now he just needs to master his position.

Its very close. But who are the 5 ahead of him this season so far?

The players ahead of him this season so far imo would be Curry, Davis, Lebron and maybe Gasol. I can't put Lowery, Paul or harden ahead of him.

I'd have
1.Curry
2.Davis
3.Lebron
4.Gasol
5.Wall
6.Harden
7.Paul
8.Lowery
9.LMA
10.Lillard

[hands11]

11 assist and only 2 turnovers. Thats how you get that Ast/turnover number up

10-17 FG 1-1 from 3 and 0-1 FTA helps that TS. But he needs more made 3s and more made FTs to have a bigger affect on that.

[CobraCommander]

Whoa kimosaby .... Nuposse is wishing that Wall was a top 5 player.. He can keep wishing but that's like dogs chasing cars. I love Walls game and upside but I don't see him even having the potential to be a top 5 player in the League. Wall can be the 3rd best point and not be in the top 5 overall in league.

The said Wall doesn't need to be in the top 5 for us to be competitive. We need Wall to be good enough to lure KD, Beal needs to continue to evolve, Gortat stay healthy and Porter develop into a consistent player. That's a championship core-

[Kanyewest]

CP3 in the meantime with 17 points, 15 assists, and 8 rebounds.

[CobraCommander]

CP3 in the meantime with 17 points, 15 assists, and 8 rebounds.

The clippers have a better supporting cast- What say you?

[TGW]

Two years ago Nivek was criticizing Wall about his turnovers. At the time i argued that i wasn't worried about it, that he was a young guy who had gone through some difficult circumstances (lockout, injuries, poor teamates). I will willing to cut Wall some slack, hoping that he would learn over time and reduces his turnovers.

Here we are 2 years later and he hasn't made any improvement in his turnovers or his TS. Granted it is still early in the season but it would be nice to actually see some improvement instead of just hoping for it.

Yeah, your right, maybe he is never gonna get it. Maybe we can get a PG with a lower TO rate & higher TS number. Brian Roberts has the lowest TO rate in the league. Or How bout Cory Joseph? Guys with a higher TS? Where do I begin? Pablo Prigioni is killing it with a .659 TS%. Or how bout Kendall Marshall with a gaudy .608. Maybe we could do a 2 for 1 deal and get a good shooter AND someone that doesn't turn over the ball. Where's CCJ at?

[Bigwig]

Is the Bear Catholic? Does the pope poop in the woods?

[Higga]

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a top 5 player but I do think he's the best PG in the league right now overall when you factor everything into it.

Hopefully Wall can show up Friday night and win his matchup vs. CP3. Paul has always gotten the best of him in the past.

[Nivek]

Wall is certainly capable of being a top 5 player in the league. He's not there yet, though.

[nuposse04]

Wall is certainly capable of being a top 5 player in the league. He's not there yet, though.

Durant, LBJ, Davis and probably one of CP3 and Curry will have the top 4 on lockdown for the next 4 seasons. Maybe more depending on when CP3 or LBJ start declining.

[dobrojim]

Wall is certainly capable of being a top 5 player in the league. He's not there yet, though.

Agreed. Compelled to add that he is often the best player on the court when the
Wizards play. And we win a lot of those games.

[dckingsfan]

Wall is certainly capable of being a top 5 player in the league. He's not there yet, though.

Agreed. Compelled to add that he is often the best player on the court when the
Wizards play. And we win a lot of those games.

Maybe I am being pessimistic, but I think getting the TOs down, developing a floater, finishing better AND developing a consistent jumper (mid-range and 3) and learning to take better shots are what is required to get to a top 5 level. And I think that would be really hard for him to accomplish.