Wizards Trade for Andre Miller

[Upper Decker]

So wait, Wizards get Andre Miller for a 2nd round pick, and the Pacers get Turner for a 2nd round pick...

Most people seem very happy with EG's trade, but I don't understand. If Washington could have gotten Turner, who'd be a better PG, for a 2nd why Andre Miller?

[hands11]

Also isn't Miller slow as hell and aren't we a fastbreak/drive and kick team?

We just got smaller, older and slower.

But Maynor is gone and there is an open roster spot. That open spot is what is most exciting about this. Now we can pick up players again.

[hands11]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

I'm a little worried but not much. Wall and Temple don't play together at all anymore. I'm assuming Temple will end up the bench unless Miller is washed up. I'm having a hard time envisioning that Miller would take away from Ariza, Beal, or Webster's minutes.

Exactly. I really think the Pg rotation simply goes like this. When Wall is on the Bench and we need defensive stops/turnovers and a fast pace we go to Temple. When Wall comes out and we need a more methodical and efficient offense we go to Miller

LOL

I doubt it.

If Randy had that level of decision making in him to situationally use players, we would have seen him do it with Booker, Ves and Kevin.

No, Randy will do a set rotation and not deviate. Its the Randy way.

[jeffsays]

So wait, Wizards get Andre Miller for a 2nd round pick, and the Pacers get Turner for a 2nd round pick...

Most people seem very happy with EG's trade, but I don't understand. If Washington could have gotten Turner, who'd be a better PG, for a 2nd why Andre Miller?

The pacers also gave up Granger.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The wizards piling up washed up Denver vets.

The Nuggets piling up Wizards busts

Who wins this three - on - three?

Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Nene Hilario

Vs.

Randy Foye, Jan Vesely, and Javale McGee



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[queridiculo]

The old-timers win 7 out of 10.

[dckingsfan]

So wait, Wizards get Andre Miller for a 2nd round pick, and the Pacers get Turner for a 2nd round pick...

Most people seem very happy with EG's trade, but I don't understand. If Washington could have gotten Turner, who'd be a better PG, for a 2nd why Andre Miller?

The pacers also gave up Granger.

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So we would have had to included an expiring contract...

[TGW]

The wizards piling up washed up Denver vets.

The Nuggets piling up Wizards busts

Who wins this three - on - three?

Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Nene Hilario

Vs.

Randy Foye, Jan Vesely, and Javale McGee



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No doubt Miller, Harrington, Nene

[davidgrant]

The wizards piling up washed up Denver vets.

The Nuggets piling up Wizards busts

I guess this means the Nuggets will hire Grunfeld this off-season.

[JWizmentality]

The wizards piling up washed up Denver vets.

The Nuggets piling up Wizards busts

I guess this means the Nuggets will hire Grunfeld this off-season.

and and and we could hire George Karl. OMG it's perfect!!

[hands11]

really hoping we fire ernie

New GM still has a ton of wiggle room

Yeah, the job for the next GM just got a little easier. Still a handful of work though.

Problem is the basic construction is wrong.

Most expensive player is your PG
Your SG isn't a ball handler.
Neither of your SFs are ball handlers and neither is or projects to be a stud SF which most great teams have.

This team could get completely flipped in 2 years. Hard to get to emotionally involved in any of the players at this point. Until this year if was fun just wanting them to win more, but now that they are .500 ish, you kind of want to get behind a specific players if you are going to get involved. And they are almost certain to get a new coach. So it just rooting for a team that you have a good feeling won't be the team. Kind of tough.

Interesting but not exciting.

[hands11]

I like the move for their stated goal of making the playoffs. Don't like including the 2nd round picks.

Vesely and Maynor weren't helping. Miller will. He'll back up Wall, and play minutes with Wall.

It's cap neutral for the offseason if the Wizards decide not to keep Miller. His guarantee is about the same as what Maynor was owed.

Agreed on the playoffs.

I see this as kind of a double Mulligan for EG. Bye bye Jan and Eric. Hello Andre Miller. He consistently equates veteran with better. He does not consider diminished return due to player age. EG is all about CYA. Must keep job. Ted didn't release EG or Randy, nor does he hold Grunfeld accountable for past blunders.

My other thought is will this expose Randy as a hater coach. I think Vesely is good enough to help Denver.

Interesting deal.

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Kind of like how McGee helped Denver? I know how you like to think that any young Wizard will strive somewhere else, but I think its highly unlikely that Jan will. Wittman has given Ves plenty of opportunities during the last few years. Unfortunately, because of a lack of confidence and a lack of skill, Ves could not take advantage of them. I am not at the very least worried that we are going to regret trading Ves. With that said, its a pretty sad indictment of EG's drafting skill that we traded a 6 pick for a 37 year old disgruntled vet.

We should see soon enough shouldn't we. Going to be interesting to finally learn more about what is what.

[hands11]

I can bemoan all of EG's past failures to all end as much as anyone else, but in a vacuum, this isn't an awful trade. I think the Pelicans will probably be near .500 next year so possibly a 44-48 pick range. You have a *chance* at finding a rotation player there, but EG probably wouldn't...and anyone he would find would be improperly developed by this coaching staff. Getting rid of Maynor is awesome, and Miller is an upgrade for the rest of the season no matter how you cut it.

I wish Jan the best, I hope he finds a niche in the NBA, he has flaws, vulgar ones, but I'd like to see him succeed if only to condemn EG's incompetence for employing this coaching staff.

Interesting.

Ves may now pick up some fans simply based on EG hate.

[Hidden Eye]

The Maynor position is open now.

I get where you're going but Wittmans 8-9 man rotation won't get you anywhere in playoffs.

It's impossible for any team to win a series with a rotation like that.

Actually, teams usually rely on 8-9 man rotations in the playoffs.

Nobody with the Wizards is concerned about doing well in the playoffs. The goal that's been set is MAKE the playoffs. Miller will help them do that.

Finally, Temple has been awful this season. He's not a guy who will make a difference in whether or not the Wizards win or lose a playoff series.

Ok but he isn't horrible like you are implying he can pass and shoot decent on some nights even hit long range.

[JWizmentality]

Meh, isn't going to provide us anymore offense than Temple and he is quicker and a far better defender....but at least Fart and Foul are gone.

[AFM]

Meh, isn't going to provide us anymore offense than Temple and he is quicker and a far better defender....but at least Fart and Foul are gone.

Andre Miller is waaaayyyyy better offensively and it isn't even close.

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[Nivek]

Ok but he isn't horrible like you are implying he can pass and shoot decent on some nights even hit long range.

I understand you're a fan, but let's be real -- Temple has been terrible this season. He was acceptable as a deep bench reserve last season, and he's been a bit better the past couple weeks, but it's been a bad season for him.

He's shooting 31% from 2pt range; 29% from 3pt range; 64% from the FT line. All of those are FAR below average. He doesn't get many assists, but he does turn the ball over (just a 1.64 to 1 ast/tov ratio). The only thing he's done well this season is steal the ball.

Nice kid who was worth another look based on what he did last year. But, he's been bad this year.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Andre Miller may finally inspire Wall to act on his desire to incorporate a post-up game into his offensive repertoire...

Miller's a high quality upgrade off the bench.

[hands11]

Wasn't it just one second round pick? And the Zards didn't exactly give that pick away, they did get a much-needed upgrade at back-up PG.

Wizards send Jan Vesely to Denver and Eric Maynor plus two second-round picks to the Sixers. Basically EG screws up the 6th pick in the draft, the BAE and then "fixes" it by shipping out two second round picks. Can't spin this as good - just can't find a way to do it...

1 pick, probably mid 2nd rnd.

you don't see an upside to being rid of Maynor and Ves? In exchange for a guy with
at least some marginal utility?

They got better in back up PG and freed up a roster spot.
They got worst on defense. As rarely as Randy used him. Ves did help with his PnR D, length, pogo stick jumps, tap outs, moving the ball, court speed, steals, and when feed, ally opp dunks.

Now who do you turn to for that. Kevin ? Singleton ? AH ?

Kevin is really going to have to take a step up now. Hopefully he does.

[AFM]

Of course he will hands. My main man Andre is gonna teach him how to use that big booty to create space (dude has a donk for sure) and gain position