Official Thread - Wizards at Pacers (11/8/14)

[Kanyewest]

Glen Rice is posting a PER of -3.5. We really can't use his anything from him right now. He has been awful. Randy's dog house is where he belongs for a while.

It's a really small sample size. Only 5 games. Only 43 minutes. Only 7 3 point attempts and only 1 for 7. He can't be yelling at Wittman even if he's frustrated though. Not sure what was said but that's probably a bigger reason why he's benched.


Rice isn't the only one who has been struggling at the wing. Garret Temple has struggled over his past 2 games with 60 minutes. 6 points, shooting 10% from the field. Paul Pierce too is shooting less than 20% from the field over his last 3 games. Those guys are going to have to pick it up if the Wizards are going to keep winning- especially since Wall is setting them up for wide open 3s.

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Rice clashed with a coach. The Wizards traded for him knowing about his past. I did not want him because of him being dismissed from Georgia Tech; Rice being in a car in which allegedly a shot was fired; his own negative opinion he aired publicly about Glen Rice Sr, his dad; and, a very negative comment about Rice Jr made by one of his former coaches.To my way of thinking, his character seemed sketchy.

Rice shut me up with the way he dominated summer league. The Wizards need to see their investment through. If they wanted a solid guy they could have stuck with Wolters.

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EG dealt for Latrell Sprewell before on the Knicks who strangled PJ and that worked out for him. Wolters could turn out to be a good player- I bet if EG really wanted to, he could get Wolters who has only seen 10 minutes of playing time this season.

[dobrojim]

didn't go through the whole thread so this may have already been said but
in spite of the mediocre second half vs indy, I was pleased with the win given
the 4th game in 5 nights and being on the road. They had their collective
asses handed to them the night before and bounced back solidly.
Tor gave them a real beat-down. They defended poorly and shot worse.
But they were going up against the best team in the EC on the road.
Still won 3/4 of that stretch of games.

They should win the next 2 to go 8-2. I'll take that 6 days a week
and 2x on Sunday.

[Dat2U]

Glen Rice is posting a PER of -3.5. We really can't use his anything from him right now. He has been awful. Randy's dog house is where he belongs for a while.

It's a really small sample size. Only 5 games. Only 43 minutes. Only 7 3 point attempts and only 1 for 7. He can't be yelling at Wittman even if he's frustrated though. Not sure what was said but that's probably a bigger reason why he's benched.


Rice isn't the only one who has been struggling at the wing. Garret Temple has struggled over his past 2 games with 60 minutes. 6 points, shooting 10% from the field. Paul Pierce too is shooting less than 20% from the field over his last 3 games. Those guys are going to have to pick it up if the Wizards are going to keep winning- especially since Wall is setting them up for wide open 3s.

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Rice clashed with a coach. The Wizards traded for him knowing about his past. I did not want him because of him being dismissed from Georgia Tech; Rice being in a car in which allegedly a shot was fired; his own negative opinion he aired publicly about Glen Rice Sr, his dad; and, a very negative comment about Rice Jr made by one of his former coaches.To my way of thinking, his character seemed sketchy.

Rice shut me up with the way he dominated summer league. The Wizards need to see their investment through. If they wanted a solid guy they could have stuck with Wolters.

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Oh wow, because professional players never clash with coaches. 'So lets revisit his past because I told you Wolters was a better choice at the time' post by CCJ.

For all this love of Wolters, it would be nice if he was actually any good! A 65% free throw shooter, a 29% 3-pt shooter. Exactly what your NOT looking for in a backcourt with John Wall. Likely being a 22 yr old (now 23) rookie was the biggest reason he wasn't completely terrible last season. But lets not act like he was some impressive player that could steal rotation minutes on a playoff team. He isn't. Maybe if he was, he wouldn't be losing minutes to the likes of Jerryd Bayless & Kendall Marshall (another board favorite that isn't particularly good at professional basketball)

[dckingsfan]

Agreed Dat, let's give him until the end of the season to see what he can bring. And with Webster out indefinitely, let's hope he can bring it sooner rather than later.

[Higga]

Anyone else worried that we keep letting terrible players look like superstars against us?

[nuposse04]

Where is the next gamethread? Need to do some preemptive complaining about how Van Gundy is gonna run circles around Randy >:0

[pineappleheadindc]

Where is the next gamethread? Need to do some preemptive complaining about how Van Gundy is gonna run circles around Randy >:0

I'll have it up by this afternoon!

[jeffsays]

Anyone else worried that we keep letting terrible players look like superstars against us?

As long as they keep winning, I could care less if Joe Schmoe goes off. Also, they've only played 7 games and the only two terrible players I can think of are Donald Sloan and Soloman Hill.

[TGW]

It's a really small sample size. Only 5 games. Only 43 minutes. Only 7 3 point attempts and only 1 for 7. He can't be yelling at Wittman even if he's frustrated though. Not sure what was said but that's probably a bigger reason why he's benched.


Rice isn't the only one who has been struggling at the wing. Garret Temple has struggled over his past 2 games with 60 minutes. 6 points, shooting 10% from the field. Paul Pierce too is shooting less than 20% from the field over his last 3 games. Those guys are going to have to pick it up if the Wizards are going to keep winning- especially since Wall is setting them up for wide open 3s.

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Rice clashed with a coach. The Wizards traded for him knowing about his past. I did not want him because of him being dismissed from Georgia Tech; Rice being in a car in which allegedly a shot was fired; his own negative opinion he aired publicly about Glen Rice Sr, his dad; and, a very negative comment about Rice Jr made by one of his former coaches.To my way of thinking, his character seemed sketchy.

Rice shut me up with the way he dominated summer league. The Wizards need to see their investment through. If they wanted a solid guy they could have stuck with Wolters.

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Oh wow, because professional players never clash with coaches. 'So lets revisit his past because I told you Wolters was a better choice at the time' post by CCJ.

For all this love of Wolters, it would be nice if he was actually any good! A 65% free throw shooter, a 29% 3-pt shooter. Exactly what your NOT looking for in a backcourt with John Wall. Likely being a 22 yr old (now 23) rookie was the biggest reason he wasn't completely terrible last season. But lets not act like he was some impressive player that could steal rotation minutes on a playoff team. He isn't. Maybe if he was, he wouldn't be losing minutes to the likes of Jerryd Bayless & Kendall Marshall (another board favorite that isn't particularly good at professional basketball)

CCJ has no problem with Demarcus Cousins' past or terrible attitude...just sayin...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's a really small sample size. Only 5 games. Only 43 minutes. Only 7 3 point attempts and only 1 for 7. He can't be yelling at Wittman even if he's frustrated though. Not sure what was said but that's probably a bigger reason why he's benched.


Rice isn't the only one who has been struggling at the wing. Garret Temple has struggled over his past 2 games with 60 minutes. 6 points, shooting 10% from the field. Paul Pierce too is shooting less than 20% from the field over his last 3 games. Those guys are going to have to pick it up if the Wizards are going to keep winning- especially since Wall is setting them up for wide open 3s.

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Rice clashed with a coach. The Wizards traded for him knowing about his past. I did not want him because of him being dismissed from Georgia Tech; Rice being in a car in which allegedly a shot was fired; his own negative opinion he aired publicly about Glen Rice Sr, his dad; and, a very negative comment about Rice Jr made by one of his former coaches.To my way of thinking, his character seemed sketchy.

Rice shut me up with the way he dominated summer league. The Wizards need to see their investment through. If they wanted a solid guy they could have stuck with Wolters.

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Oh wow, because professional players never clash with coaches. 'So lets revisit his past because I told you Wolters was a better choice at the time' post by CCJ.

For all this love of Wolters, it would be nice if he was actually any good! A 65% free throw shooter, a 29% 3-pt shooter. Exactly what your NOT looking for in a backcourt with John Wall. Likely being a 22 yr old (now 23) rookie was the biggest reason he wasn't completely terrible last season. But lets not act like he was some impressive player that could steal rotation minutes on a playoff team. He isn't. Maybe if he was, he wouldn't be losing minutes to the likes of Jerryd Bayless & Kendall Marshall (another board favorite that isn't particularly good at professional basketball)

Bottom line is you are mad that I went there, Dat.

Rice can play. I am surprised he is off to a bad start. I am not surprised he is in a coach's doghouse. You hated on Demarcus Cousins for at least two or three years. Until Rice gets out of the doghouse I am gonna say he is in the doghouse.

As for attacking Wolters, he can play. Your argument that a guy cannot play because he's behind another player is weak. If Rice is so good why is he behind Rasual Butler? Gotcha! Dat, Eddie Jordan put Etan Thomas in front of Brendan Haywood. Coaching preference.

Kendall Marshall is very comparable to Nate Wolters. He has strong areas and weak ones. Same with Jerryd Bayless. Same with AJ Price. Same with Ish Smith. If you put all three guys together in competition it would be just like Wall going against Irving, Rose, and Lillard. Remember how Wall got cut? So did Lillard. Does that mean he's behind Kyrie?

Dat, if Wolters is a 65% FT shooter, then he forgot what he did for four years. That or you are following one of your weakest arguments with small sample size.

I think the Wizards could just as well begun this season starting Rice and Porter. Or Rice and Pierce. But Temple has done with playing time like Bayless and Donald Sloan. He has stepped up as a veteran. That is why coaches Kidd and Wittman trust them. All these guys can play. Note that none of them got playing time right away in their careers. Don't bury Wolters' career because he is on the bench. So is John Henson. So is Kris Middleton.

Dat, the main reason I bring up Wolters is he is a young PG/SG. This team could use one. Ideally, Rice would supplant Butler by playing to his potential. Beal and Webster return and Butler would be released. Wolters would be waived. The Wizards would claim Wolters.

In all the back and forth, I still think Wolters is a strong character guy who would be a great fit on the Wizards.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Rice clashed with a coach. The Wizards traded for him knowing about his past. I did not want him because of him being dismissed from Georgia Tech; Rice being in a car in which allegedly a shot was fired; his own negative opinion he aired publicly about Glen Rice Sr, his dad; and, a very negative comment about Rice Jr made by one of his former coaches.To my way of thinking, his character seemed sketchy.

Rice shut me up with the way he dominated summer league. The Wizards need to see their investment through. If they wanted a solid guy they could have stuck with Wolters.

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Oh wow, because professional players never clash with coaches. 'So lets revisit his past because I told you Wolters was a better choice at the time' post by CCJ.

For all this love of Wolters, it would be nice if he was actually any good! A 65% free throw shooter, a 29% 3-pt shooter. Exactly what your NOT looking for in a backcourt with John Wall. Likely being a 22 yr old (now 23) rookie was the biggest reason he wasn't completely terrible last season. But lets not act like he was some impressive player that could steal rotation minutes on a playoff team. He isn't. Maybe if he was, he wouldn't be losing minutes to the likes of Jerryd Bayless & Kendall Marshall (another board favorite that isn't particularly good at professional basketball)

CCJ has no problem with Demarcus Cousins' past or terrible attitude...just sayin...

I suffer from bipolar disorder. I believe he might, also. I think being very rich and very blessed to be in the NBA might help him manage nicely.

In the four years he has played in the NBA how has he gotten along with management, coaching, and teammates? Has he committed crimes? Any illegal drug use suspension? Has he been late to work? Missed flights?

All this crap about his attitude is subjective. Look at Dennis Rodman. All kinds of issues.

Boogie did well with Team USA and his team in Sacramento is doing nicely. I don't know about the guy's character I really don't.

We are having this debate because I brought up some stuff about Glen Rice Jr. Counter attack, Boogie Cousins, fine.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Bottom line is Rice has a PER of 3.5 and he yelled at his coach. I said that should be no surprise, that he clashed with a coach.

I also said the Wizards should stick with their investment. I would much rather see Rice do well than see Butler play (well). I would rather he is playing well than him being in the doghouse.

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[TGW]

All this crap about his attitude is subjective. Look at Dennis Rodman. All kinds of issues.

No it exists. You just tune out what you want to tune out. A simple google search returned this:

If DeMarcus Cousins' history repeats itself yet again, it's highly likely that he'll never read this.

The talented Sacramento Kings center has a habit of tuning people out when the harsh truth is being told, meaning he'll probably see the headline on Twitter and hurl his cell phone as if it's a full-court heave. The next move - per his personal pattern – will be to send word through various channels that there's another media member to put on his ever-growing black list. Yet after the latest alleged incident between he and a fan Friday, one that was brought to light by way of a tweet from a prominent Memphis-based musician during the Kings' 91-90 loss to the Grizzlies, it's safe to say that, well, something must be said.

Demarcus Cousins just walked by dude next to us Courtside and said ..."Shut yo weak ass up .... F**K YOU!!! ".

In between it all, there were the suspensions and the coaching conflicts and so much negativity surrounding him that the idea of him sticking around in Sacramento seemed virtually impossible.

O.J. Mayo says DeMarcus Cousins has 'mental issues'

"That guy has some mental issues, man," Mayo said. "He's a talented player. He has an opportunity to be the face of that organization, but I don't think he wants it. ...

"He's immature, man. Big maturity problem. Hopefully, he'll grow up out of it and become great. He definitely has the talent to."

“I think that his teammates are tired of him. The coaching staff is tired of him, in my opinion. The fans are tired of him, and flat out, the guy has some issues,” said Kings’ announcer Grant Napear.

“He doesn’t get the fact that he doesn’t know how to act like a professional,” said one fan.
“He’s kind of got a crybaby attitude and people are getting tired of it,” said another.

DeMarcus Cousins’ anger issues during games are an act that’s getting old with some fans. Some are calling for the Kings center to be benched permanently or at least until he admits he might have an anger problem.

I could go on, but it's not necessary. If the Kings announcers are basically saying it (and they're paid by the team to spin everything positive) that's really telling.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

All this crap about his attitude is subjective. Look at Dennis Rodman. All kinds of issues.

No it exists. You just tune out what you want to tune out. A simple google search returned this:

If DeMarcus Cousins' history repeats itself yet again, it's highly likely that he'll never read this.

The talented Sacramento Kings center has a habit of tuning people out when the harsh truth is being told, meaning he'll probably see the headline on Twitter and hurl his cell phone as if it's a full-court heave. The next move - per his personal pattern – will be to send word through various channels that there's another media member to put on his ever-growing black list. Yet after the latest alleged incident between he and a fan Friday, one that was brought to light by way of a tweet from a prominent Memphis-based musician during the Kings' 91-90 loss to the Grizzlies, it's safe to say that, well, something must be said.

Demarcus Cousins just walked by dude next to us Courtside and said ..."Shut yo weak ass up .... F**K YOU!!! ".

In between it all, there were the suspensions and the coaching conflicts and so much negativity surrounding him that the idea of him sticking around in Sacramento seemed virtually impossible.

O.J. Mayo says DeMarcus Cousins has 'mental issues'

"That guy has some mental issues, man," Mayo said. "He's a talented player. He has an opportunity to be the face of that organization, but I don't think he wants it. ...

"He's immature, man. Big maturity problem. Hopefully, he'll grow up out of it and become great. He definitely has the talent to."

“I think that his teammates are tired of him. The coaching staff is tired of him, in my opinion. The fans are tired of him, and flat out, the guy has some issues,” said Kings’ announcer Grant Napear.

“He doesn’t get the fact that he doesn’t know how to act like a professional,” said one fan.
“He’s kind of got a crybaby attitude and people are getting tired of it,” said another.

DeMarcus Cousins’ anger issues during games are an act that’s getting old with some fans. Some are calling for the Kings center to be benched permanently or at least until he admits he might have an anger problem.

I could go on, but it's not necessary. If the Kings announcers are basically saying it (and they're paid by the team to spin everything positive) that's really telling.

Do me one favor. Date these.

Former King OJ Mayo was pre Team USA. Seems the Kings moved him instead of the guy with mental issues.


Also, one fan says what he doesn't think... subjective. I also suspect this is at least a couple years old

Cold truth hurts Cousins? Subjective. Date?

Doesn't act professional. Same. When was this?

Sounds like opinion/gossip.... but if you provide dates I will look them up further. TGW, you say I look the other way. Personally, I respect your unfounded accusation in the same light as this stuff.

I say Glen Rice Jr simply needs to play well enough and then everyone will look the other way. Demarcus so far is a functional NBA player. Teammates and announcers could loathe him. Wouldn't shock me.

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[TGW]

Sorry CCJ, I don't feel like doing that. Just google "Demarcus Cousins issues" and the dates on each will appear. Most of it is from 2014.

All I'm saying is that if you're going to bring up the past with Rice, do it with Cousins...you appear biased. And I agree with you...if Rice plays well, none of that stuff matters.

*edit* and it's not gossip if the Kings announcers are saying it. If Phil or Buck said Wall was a distraction and unprofessional, you'd be going nuts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sorry CCJ, I don't feel like doing that. Just google "Demarcus Cousins issues" and the dates on each will appear. Most of it is from 2014.

All I'm saying is that if you're going to bring up the past with Rice, do it with Cousins...you appear biased. And I agree with you...if Rice plays well, none of that stuff matters.

No problem. I did not bring up Cousins past because I wasn't talking about Cousins.

I will concede that you have proven your point, TGW. DeMarcus is a guy with mental issues who drains teammates and coaches alike.

This is what I will say: if he isn't truly impossible to work with his talent will determine how much people with tolerate. The same is true for Rice as Cousins.

The true professionals like Phil Jackson and Coach K know how to work with all kinds of people.

The only problem I see is I don't think Randy Wittman will tolerate Glen Rice Jr. He is not Phil Jackson.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Let's hope Glen Rice Jr soon has a breakout game.

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[TGW]

Sorry CCJ, I don't feel like doing that. Just google "Demarcus Cousins issues" and the dates on each will appear. Most of it is from 2014.

All I'm saying is that if you're going to bring up the past with Rice, do it with Cousins...you appear biased. And I agree with you...if Rice plays well, none of that stuff matters.

No problem. I did not bring up Cousins past because I wasn't talking about Cousins.

I will concede that you have proven your point, TGW. DeMarcus is a guy with mental issues who drains teammates and coaches alike.

This is what I will say: if he isn't truly impossible to work with his talent will determine how much people with tolerate. The same is true for Rice as Cousins.

The true professionals like Phil Jackson and Coach K know how to work with all kinds of people.

The only problem I see is I don't think Randy Wittman will tolerate Glen Rice Jr. He is not Phil Jackson.

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This is the truth.

[Kanyewest]

It shouldn't come as a big surprise that Rice clashed with a coach. The Wizards traded for him knowing about his past. I did not want him because of him being dismissed from Georgia Tech; Rice being in a car in which allegedly a shot was fired; his own negative opinion he aired publicly about Glen Rice Sr, his dad; and, a very negative comment about Rice Jr made by one of his former coaches.To my way of thinking, his character seemed sketchy.

Rice shut me up with the way he dominated summer league. The Wizards need to see their investment through. If they wanted a solid guy they could have stuck with Wolters.

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Oh wow, because professional players never clash with coaches. 'So lets revisit his past because I told you Wolters was a better choice at the time' post by CCJ.

For all this love of Wolters, it would be nice if he was actually any good! A 65% free throw shooter, a 29% 3-pt shooter. Exactly what your NOT looking for in a backcourt with John Wall. Likely being a 22 yr old (now 23) rookie was the biggest reason he wasn't completely terrible last season. But lets not act like he was some impressive player that could steal rotation minutes on a playoff team. He isn't. Maybe if he was, he wouldn't be losing minutes to the likes of Jerryd Bayless & Kendall Marshall (another board favorite that isn't particularly good at professional basketball)

Bottom line is you are mad that I went there, Dat.

Rice can play. I am surprised he is off to a bad start. I am not surprised he is in a coach's doghouse. You hated on Demarcus Cousins for at least two or three years. Until Rice gets out of the doghouse I am gonna say he is in the doghouse.

As for attacking Wolters, he can play. Your argument that a guy cannot play because he's behind another player is weak. If Rice is so good why is he behind Rasual Butler? Gotcha! Dat, Eddie Jordan put Etan Thomas in front of Brendan Haywood. Coaching preference.

Kendall Marshall is very comparable to Nate Wolters. He has strong areas and weak ones. Same with Jerryd Bayless. Same with AJ Price. Same with Ish Smith. If you put all three guys together in competition it would be just like Wall going against Irving, Rose, and Lillard. Remember how Wall got cut? So did Lillard. Does that mean he's behind Kyrie?

Dat, if Wolters is a 65% FT shooter, then he forgot what he did for four years. That or you are following one of your weakest arguments with small sample size.

I think the Wizards could just as well begun this season starting Rice and Porter. Or Rice and Pierce. But Temple has done with playing time like Bayless and Donald Sloan. He has stepped up as a veteran. That is why coaches Kidd and Wittman trust them. All these guys can play. Note that none of them got playing time right away in their careers. Don't bury Wolters' career because he is on the bench. So is John Henson. So is Kris Middleton.

Dat, the main reason I bring up Wolters is he is a young PG/SG. This team could use one. Ideally, Rice would supplant Butler by playing to his potential. Beal and Webster return and Butler would be released. Wolters would be waived. The Wizards would claim Wolters.

In all the back and forth, I still think Wolters is a strong character guy who would be a great fit on the Wizards.



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90 free throws isn't that low of a sample size. Even if he was shooting 70% from the free throw line I would be concerned considering he was an 80% free throw shooters in college.

[Kanyewest]

Let's hope Glen Rice Jr soon has a breakout game.

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I mean that's all it may really take. Porter used to be in the same boat as Rice until his breakout game. Now Porter has more confidence and is more consistent.

A lot of posters suggested that Rice was outplaying Porter in summer league- although I guess Porter can still implement his game from summer league- whereas Rice can't get 8-12 free throws per 36 minutes against NBA veterans.

If Rasual Butler regresses (he hit a couple of jumpers and a slam dunk in his last game)- then Rice will get his chance. Rice needs to work on his perimeter game - and improve his 3 point percentage.