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KingKyrie1 wrote:Cavs suck, their defense is laughable without a good Center, Mozgov has regressed and isn't playing much now.
Love didn't play the 4th quarter, that's funny since they gave so much for him..
80sballboy wrote:KingKyrie1 wrote:Cavs suck, their defense is laughable without a good Center, Mozgov has regressed and isn't playing much now.
Love didn't play the 4th quarter, that's funny since they gave so much for him..
Cavs suck? I wish we sucked like that. Irving, if healthy, gives them the East. They were winning without him by going to Love more and now he'll get less touches.
KingKyrie1 wrote:80sballboy wrote:KingKyrie1 wrote:Cavs suck, their defense is laughable without a good Center, Mozgov has regressed and isn't playing much now.
Love didn't play the 4th quarter, that's funny since they gave so much for him..
Cavs suck? I wish we sucked like that. Irving, if healthy, gives them the East. They were winning without him by going to Love more and now he'll get less touches.
Their offense is one of the best no doubt, but the defense with Kevin Love and TT is just not there.
TT is not a starting center.
80sballboy wrote:KingKyrie1 wrote:80sballboy wrote:
Cavs suck? I wish we sucked like that. Irving, if healthy, gives them the East. They were winning without him by going to Love more and now he'll get less touches.
Their offense is one of the best no doubt, but the defense with Kevin Love and TT is just not there.
TT is not a starting center.
They didn't need Mozgov or Love. When they play a team with a big (will there by any in the playoffs?), they can go big, they can go small. Thompson is not a great defender, but he attacks the glass on both ends. They have a lot of different options. It might not be enough to win the Finals against Spurs or Warriors but it's enough in the East. Who's beating them? Toronto? Atlanta? Indiana? I don't see Chicago doing it though that could be a fun series.
KingKyrie1 wrote:Their offense is one of the best no doubt, but the defense with Kevin Love and TT is just not there.
TT is not a starting center.
jswede wrote:"Early lottery"? It's protected 1-5 til 2019. Or is that what u mean by "eventually"?
gambitx777 wrote:Other than the Turn overs and missed FFT's. We did not play all that bad, We need another star, we need to make a trade. This game was winnable, let it go and move on.
pineappleheadindc wrote:My postgame analysis:
This game completely exposed the Washington Wizards for the unprofessional organization that it really is. This loss exposes EVERYONE.
1) A GM that stocks the team with shooters that aren't really shooters. A roster of 8th and 9th guys at the wings (plus one rookie). Absolutely NOBODY at the 4. That Garrett "GOAT" Temple was one of your leading scorers tonight is every bit of an indictment of the failure that is otherwise known as Ernie Grunfeld.
2) That Grunfeld still has a job demonstrates the Uncle Ted Leonsis is more interested in replacing urinal cakes and painting the arena stairs than he is in winning. Leonsis made his name as a big-wig at AOL and I get it now. When you think AOL, you think about that loud modem sound and a company that never excelled at anything except putting CDs out at Post Offices around the country. I bet the AOL campus had great urinal cakes, though. If Ted, who fancies himself as a leadership guru, had any understanding of the word "leadership", he'd know that the science of leadership isn't just about process, but about accountability. His GM has never -- and I use the word "never" without exaggeration -- fielded a team that one could call "elite" in his entire career. Ever. "Leadership" that embraces mediocrity gets exactly what it deserves. Uncle Ted, take this leadership advice from ME: "When you accept mediocrity in your key people, you cannot expect business results anywhere nearing excellence." Period. End of Story.
3) The fourth quarter had Randy Wittman's stamp all over it. Gary Neal (one of Grunfeld's imported "sharp shooters") was getting abused on D yet Witt stuck with him the entire 4th quarter. When you're in a hole, you have to get stops. Dear reader, every coach you ever had, from elementary school, to high school to (if you played there) college would tell you that you MUST get stops when you're down. That makes Randy, in analyzing his substitution patterns, worse than your elementary school coach. For me, it was Mr. Babb, a really nice guy. A bit portly, white, balding, about 60 years old and our school's music teacher. Yeah, Mr. Babb knows better than Randy Wittman.
4) Our star, John Wall, just does not yet know his role. When an elite PG comes into town, I know that Wall is going to choke because he's going to try and play someone else's game. John, YOUR goal is not to get 20/10. Your goal is to have a 10/20 game. They opponents win every time we have a zero-pass possession where you take one screen from Gortat at the elbow and jack a J. Doesn't matter if you hit that one particular J. They've lulled our offense into something that's inefficient (your J percentage), nobody else has touched the ball, they get uninvolved. You do this all the freaking time. Stop trying to be Kyrie. Be John Wall. You have the tools to be Gary Payton on D. DO try and copy Payton on D.
5) Rest of team: This game was all about not hitting FTs, not securing loose balls and rebounds. This kind of stuff -- the lack of attention to detail -- is what separates elite teams from the pretenders like the Wizards. The Wiz are sort of like my 8-year-old daughter when she plays princess. She *thinks* she's a princess, but honestly, she's not a Princess. (And I say this loving her more than I've loved anyone in my life). Wizards *think* they're a good team. But it's just in their mind. Good, elite times hit their FTs. They pay attention to detail. They hustle after loose balls and rebounds like hungry dogs. The don't leak out after their man takes a J until they know we got the board.
It's maddening to be a fan of a franchise so dedicated to mediocrity. You want the Wizards to win, to be elite. But if nobody from Ted Leonsis to the towel boy, who can't wipe up a wet spot so Wall slips on the first half's last possession, don't care about being good, then how can we as fans expect anything else but this.
This, my fellow board members, this game was the Washington Wizards organization personified. As fans we deserve better. But until everyone in the franchise becomes dedicated to WINNING (as opposed to marketing or being liked) we'll have nothing more than this.
My dos centavos,
Pine
improvisor wrote:I really like the Fan base here. I don't think this is even close of what the Wizards are right now. You guys been hurt and Cavs are just getting healthy. I still believe Wizards play the Cavs the best in the East and our biggest threat, Always Worried when we play you guys.
gambitx777 wrote:Other than the Turn overs and missed FFT's. We did not play all that bad, We need another star, we need to make a trade. This game was winnable, let it go and move on.
pineappleheadindc wrote:My postgame analysis:
This game completely exposed the Washington Wizards for the unprofessional organization that it really is. This loss exposes EVERYONE.
1) A GM that stocks the team with shooters that aren't really shooters. A roster of 8th and 9th guys at the wings (plus one rookie). Absolutely NOBODY at the 4. That Garrett "GOAT" Temple was one of your leading scorers tonight is every bit of an indictment of the failure that is otherwise known as Ernie Grunfeld.
2) That Grunfeld still has a job demonstrates the Uncle Ted Leonsis is more interested in replacing urinal cakes and painting the arena stairs than he is in winning. Leonsis made his name as a big-wig at AOL and I get it now. When you think AOL, you think about that loud modem sound and a company that never excelled at anything except putting CDs out at Post Offices around the country. I bet the AOL campus had great urinal cakes, though. If Ted, who fancies himself as a leadership guru, had any understanding of the word "leadership", he'd know that the science of leadership isn't just about process, but about accountability. His GM has never -- and I use the word "never" without exaggeration -- fielded a team that one could call "elite" in his entire career. Ever. "Leadership" that embraces mediocrity gets exactly what it deserves. Uncle Ted, take this leadership advice from ME: "When you accept mediocrity in your key people, you cannot expect business results anywhere nearing excellence." Period. End of Story.
3) The fourth quarter had Randy Wittman's stamp all over it. Gary Neal (one of Grunfeld's imported "sharp shooters") was getting abused on D yet Witt stuck with him the entire 4th quarter. When you're in a hole, you have to get stops. Dear reader, every coach you ever had, from elementary school, to high school to (if you played there) college would tell you that you MUST get stops when you're down. That makes Randy, in analyzing his substitution patterns, worse than your elementary school coach. For me, it was Mr. Babb, a really nice guy. A bit portly, white, balding, about 60 years old and our school's music teacher. Yeah, Mr. Babb knows better than Randy Wittman.
4) Our star, John Wall, just does not yet know his role. When an elite PG comes into town, I know that Wall is going to choke because he's going to try and play someone else's game. John, YOUR goal is not to get 20/10. Your goal is to have a 10/20 game. They opponents win every time we have a zero-pass possession where you take one screen from Gortat at the elbow and jack a J. Doesn't matter if you hit that one particular J. They've lulled our offense into something that's inefficient (your J percentage), nobody else has touched the ball, they get uninvolved. You do this all the freaking time. Stop trying to be Kyrie. Be John Wall. You have the tools to be Gary Payton on D. DO try and copy Payton on D.
5) Rest of team: This game was all about not hitting FTs, not securing loose balls and rebounds. This kind of stuff -- the lack of attention to detail -- is what separates elite teams from the pretenders like the Wizards. The Wiz are sort of like my 8-year-old daughter when she plays princess. She *thinks* she's a princess, but honestly, she's not a Princess. (And I say this loving her more than I've loved anyone in my life). Wizards *think* they're a good team. But it's just in their mind. Good, elite times hit their FTs. They pay attention to detail. They hustle after loose balls and rebounds like hungry dogs. The don't leak out after their man takes a J until they know we got the board.
It's maddening to be a fan of a franchise so dedicated to mediocrity. You want the Wizards to win, to be elite. But if nobody from Ted Leonsis to the towel boy, who can't wipe up a wet spot so Wall slips on the first half's last possession, don't care about being good, then how can we as fans expect anything else but this.
This, my fellow board members, this game was the Washington Wizards organization personified. As fans we deserve better. But until everyone in the franchise becomes dedicated to WINNING (as opposed to marketing or being liked) we'll have nothing more than this.
My dos centavos,
Pine