Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

[dckingsfan]

I also don't get the "being dismissed" mindset. The party is clearly moving left. Sanders is the candidate to the far left - basically he followed many of the Warren proposals and then "out-lefted" her.

If Sanders won would the same argument hold. The progressives are dismissing the moderates? Of course not.

Apparently a lot of people don't get the "being dismissed" mindset. I envy those people. I truly wish watching the DNC clear the path for yet another milquetoast corporatist didn't offend me. I wish watching the DNC repeat the same mistake it made 4 years ago didn't make me angry, but it does.

To me, dismissed is if the party doesn't take the issues seriously. And they have - check out the movement in terms of the DNC platform.

To me, dismissed doesn't mean having your candidate be the presumptive nominee if he doesn't have a majority.

The truth is that the progressives in the party are probably less than a third of the party.

[I_Like_Dirt]

The truth is that the progressives in the party are probably less than a third of the party.

I think there are more progressives in the party than that but it depends a lot on what you define as a progressive. There might be about a third of the party that supports Bernie, maybe less, as you suggest. There are a fair amount of progressives out there that just don't support Bernie for any number of reasons. I'd suggest there are more Bernie supporting progressives than non-Bernie supporting progressives but the inability to even have a discussion about why it might not be ideal to allow Bernie to be the central force guiding the movement without being vilified is a problem.

[Ruzious]

I also don't get the "being dismissed" mindset. The party is clearly moving left. Sanders is the candidate to the far left - basically he followed many of the Warren proposals and then "out-lefted" her.

If Sanders won would the same argument hold. The progressives are dismissing the moderates? Of course not.

Apparently a lot of people don't get the "being dismissed" mindset. I envy those people. I truly wish watching the DNC clear the path for yet another milquetoast corporatist didn't offend me. I wish watching the DNC repeat the same mistake it made 4 years ago didn't make me angry, but it does.

Curb your martyrdom. I mean... I made a point to say - when Bernie was in the lead - that I'd fully support him in the general election if he won the primary. I'll find the post if you want. There's no valid reason for Bernie or his bros to play the martyr. Warren might but not Bernie.

[Doug_Blew]

The truth is that the progressives in the party are probably less than a third of the party.

I think there are more progressives in the party than that but it depends a lot on what you define as a progressive. There might be about a third of the party that supports Bernie, maybe less, as you suggest. There are a fair amount of progressives out there that just don't support Bernie for any number of reasons. I'd suggest there are more Bernie supporting progressives than non-Bernie supporting progressives but the inability to even have a discussion about why it might not be ideal to allow Bernie to be the central force guiding the movement without being vilified is a problem.

My wife and a lot of her friends that are 45+ are very progressive and can't stand Bernie. As women, they wanted Hillary last election and Warren this election. My wife and others were put off by the way they perceived Bernie's handling of the 2016 election.

[dckingsfan]

The truth is that the progressives in the party are probably less than a third of the party.

I think there are more progressives in the party than that but it depends a lot on what you define as a progressive. There might be about a third of the party that supports Bernie, maybe less, as you suggest. There are a fair amount of progressives out there that just don't support Bernie for any number of reasons. I'd suggest there are more Bernie supporting progressives than non-Bernie supporting progressives but the inability to even have a discussion about why it might not be ideal to allow Bernie to be the central force guiding the movement without being vilified is a problem.

My wife and a lot of her friends that are 45+ are very progressive and can't stand Bernie. As women, they wanted Hillary last election and Warren this election. My wife and others were put off by the way they perceived Bernie's handling of the 2016 election.

Seems she isn't alone...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-are-women-less-likely-than-men-to-support-sanders/?ex_cid=trump-approval

[dobrojim]

I’m not clear how the DNC made all those primary voters vote
as they have. I was a Warren voter. Would I be justified in
feeling dismissed?

I’ve yet to hear a rationale for believing that someone other
than the top vote getter in _actual primaries_ is more likely
than some other candidate to continue to be supported,
especially this year when so many people, like many/most
on the board here, understand that nothing consequential
towards returning to normalcy will happen, (well winning control
of the Senate would help) before Trump is defeated.

Normalcy first, then at least incremental change addressing the
problems from before as well as since DJT was elected can begin
to be addressed.

I wonder what the chances are of a President Biden stepping down
after four years would be. But first things first.

[Wizardspride]

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[Ruzious]

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Mar-a-Lago is why Trump all of sudden is taking this virus thing seriously. Of course, he's too busy to have had himself tested - even though all he'd have to do is snap his fingers to get tested. Maybe he'll wait till the drive-thru tests are ready. Meanwhile, everything his experts have said... he should be self-quarantining himself. But how would that be in his best interests? That's the only thing that matters to him - in EVERY situation.

[pancakes3]

AOC is cool but the real ones stan Katie Porter

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[dobrojim]

KP is boss. Been wowed ever since her questioning of head of Equifax.

[Ruzious]

AOC is cool but the real ones stan Katie Porter

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That's what being an effective leader is.

[Wizardspride]

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[Pointgod]

AOC is cool but the real ones stan Katie Porter

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That's what being an effective leader is.

Everyone that subscribed to the bull that Democrats and Republicans are the same needs to see this.

[dckingsfan]

Interesting - would not have guess that "A majority (55 percent) of Democratic primary voters and roughly 2 in 5 registered voters said they trust Biden over Sanders for leadership during a crisis..."

https://morningconsult.com/2020/03/12/bidens-national-lead-over-sanders-balloons-24-points/

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[Pointgod]

Absolute **** scumbags. Trump is a malignant cancer on the world.

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[Wizardspride]

Absolute **** scumbags. Trump is a malignant cancer on the world.

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[Pointgod]

Interesting - would not have guess that "A majority (55 percent) of Democratic primary voters and roughly 2 in 5 registered voters said they trust Biden over Sanders for leadership during a crisis..."

https://morningconsult.com/2020/03/12/bidens-national-lead-over-sanders-balloons-24-points/

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It’s not that surprising. Biden has been in the highest level of government. He was second in command to one of the most popular Presidents of all time. It’s not surprising that most Democrats recognize this and place a high value on experience in office. You’re seeing it now with Trump’s botched coronavirus response that having “a non politician” in some of the highest levels of government leads to horrible consequences.

[Zonkerbl]

Some random political thoughts on a slow news day... Even if Republicans aren't as careful, Dems live in cities and are still more vulnerable. Older patients dying is bad news for GOP, wonder why they're allowing Trump to bungle it. Coming recession is going to be a doozy, and if Trump's bungling results in hospitals running out of beds, pushing the death toll from one to five percent, there is going to be *hell* to pay in November. Right when we'll all know how bad it got and whether we could have done better. Just trying to put a silver lining on this because it is going to suck for everybody reeeeal bad. Maybe we can throw the kleptocrats out before they auction off the entire government.

[queridiculo]

Absolute **** scumbags. Trump is a malignant cancer on the world.

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Very strange tale.

The White House is issuing denials and making claims about fabricated stories, yet just on Wednesday CureVac announced that Dan Menichella would be succeeded as CEO by Ingmar Hoerr, the founder and former CEO whom Menichella replaced back in 2018.

That's three days after Menichella's meeting at the White House.

Just a press release and no word from Menichella on the circumstances.